what one do you think is better for groundhogs and coyotes thanks

If it will be strictly a varmint application I really like the .204

.22-250

Contrarian.

Nope,between those two cartridges, I'll go with the .22-250 every time.

Yeah....but you shoot rabbits with a .460 Wby........

Yeah and?

Ive never shot bunnies with anything bigger than a .375......

No need for something bigger.....

A .375,holy mackerel and you survived without getting attacked!?

I was even able to stop a charge by a wounded wabbit!


Followed him into the thick stuff and could hear him gnashing his tushes!


Glad I had solids that day.....

That's where the .460 shines.

I've heard the .204 is less destructive of coyote pelts if that's a concern. Never had a .204 so can't say for sure. For woodchucks inside 250 yards my .223 works fine. Past 250 I like my .243 better than the .22-250.

I've owned a lot of 22-250s and none of them has been as accurate as the $350 Ruger RAR-Predator in 204.

I call coyotes and most that I shoot are under 200 yards and standing still, so never any need for the extra case capacity of the 22-250. If you were going to add deer to the menu, the 22-250 would be a better choice, but for 'chucks and 'yotes, the 204 is hard to beat.

I would have said 22 magnum or .223 rem, but that's just me...

And WTF is wrong with that???

The 22-250 and the 220 swift are tough to beat if your only goal is to put coyotes down hard. The problem with them however is they typically leaves a pretty extensive sewing job if you keep pelts. I have tried different bullets but at high velocity they can make a mess. The 204 works very well on coyotes if you shoot a bullet like the 35 grain Berger. The bc isn't real impressive but they hit hard and usually don't exit.

Lately I have been using different 243 loads or a 65 grain gameking in a 223 and they work well with a little less damage.

If you are going to build a 220, 22-250, or 204 get an 8 twist and then you get into some less destructive bullets the 204 in an 8 twist and a 55 grain Berger kills much better at distance than you would think

Am not impressed so far with 20 cal on coyotes...bullets are too explosive for my liking...awesome on small varmints tho... This coming winter I plan to try the hornady 45 gr bullet might change my mind...

I don't see the advantage to the 20's that others have claimed. To me the 30-40gr. bullet weights don't allow for any better spotting of my own shots than the .223. But I have only spent time behind one type of .204.

IME the .17 Remington puts coyotes and 'chucks in the dirt and allows me to see 100% of my shots.

Of the two asked about I'd take the 22-250 and run.




Clark

+ 4 for the 22-250

This is exactly what I've seen.

Another potential strike against the 204 is having to buy new cleaning supplies.

I vote for the 22-250.

I'm assuming your in the eastern half of the country and shooting numerous shots per outing won't be the norm. If that's the case, and having coyotes on the list, 22-250.

22-250...fast twist of course!!

This is the correct answer.

drover

This is also a correct answer. If you can't see your hits with a 223 you won't see them with a 204.

I have no experience with a 17 so no comments there.

drover

Thanks guy for the information I live in fayette county pennsylvania i am going to buy a remington 700 or a ruger varmint cant decide witch one yet.

This is a tough one. I have both and on big chucks the 22-250 w/55gr. PSP out of a 12 twist hits hard. PA woodchuck hunting doesn't demand hot and heavy shooting. In my case, the 22-250 is a med. sporter weight walking varminter (Cooper M54 Jackson Game). Comparing this to my 26" heavy barreled Cooper M21 in 204. is apples to oranges. The 22-250 fouls out much faster, but I'm shooting a 32gr. moly coated VMAX in the 204. For shooting pdogs or in any other high volume scenario, the 22-250 wouldn't be in my top 5. In a walking PA woodchuck rifle, the 22-250 is a great choice.

Just shoot p-dogs with my 2 204's.
I can see at least 90% of my hits and misses.
There is no way I would shoot a 22-250 for p-dogs.
yotes a different story, I've only shot 1 with my 204 396 yds and he ran 10 yds and died.
Used to havw a 22-250 truck and calling rifle worked very well

Thanks guys i just picked up a remington 700 varmint sf 220swift

that wasn't in the question......

Damn!


He took our advice for exactly what it was worth!

There's a first. The OP takes his own thread off topic...

I'll bring it back on topic. All you have to do is buy THE best Ruger M77 22-250 in the world back in the early '90's and you'll be set.


Oh...and as for the rest of you...your guns suck!

Geez...that shouldn't have been a thread shutterdowner unless you really believed that my gun is better than yours.



But it is....

Those sucked balls. The twist rate is way too slow, unless you like shooting 40 gr. pills...

You went way the fu ck off in left field, didn't you?? You have us argue over 204 Ruger vs. 22-250, while you are off at the fun store picking up that nice 220 swift... Touche .... You should have asked which scope to get too. It would have been a 50 pager before you even pulled your wallet out...

I do not own a 204 or 223. I have some 22-250's. Each one has shot 1/4 MOA using my loads. One put 20 rounds in an inch square.

pffft

I'll put it's accuracy with 55 gr. up against any twist rate you want.

P.S. I purchased it used in the early 90's. I have no idea what year it was manufactured.

Stock up on brass whenever you can find it.

My only Swift is a Savage 99 that Wilbur Hauck rebarreled in the 1950s. A cool eastern walking varmint rifle that hasn't been out of the house for over 20 years.

Is your rifle going to be a uni-tasker?

A .22-250 is so much more versatile. I would not hesitate to use one on small whitetails and other critters.

Not sure that I would trust a .204 on anything other than varmints.

And if you're a speed freak. I'm using 45 grn hollow points and getting close to 4200 fps out a a Savage Model 10 with a 26" barrel.

So, another .22-250 vote.

Now that's some funny schit right there......
I was watching this thread and then he comes out with the 220 swift stick and kicks everyone in da nuts.....

Those kill stuff also.




Dave

Or, he'll be kicking himself in the nuts when brass is a scarce as WSSM brass or 17HM2 ammo.

<suffering from rifle envy>

I could use another 22-150

OR how would a Savage 99 in a Creedmore be?

It does have a certain "cool" factor about it.

It isn't for sale.

The 6.5 Creedmoor would probably work fine, about like my 99F in 260 and a bit slower than my 99CD in 6.5-284.

I think a 204 definitely shines when saving pelts.