Tested an Aluminum bolt on tank brake

Loud? Probably

Muzzel jump? Not much

Recoil? Not much at all

https://youtu.be/tmtpOVBzF6k

That's one of them evil automatics, disguised as a bolt.

Love how all the brake-using Nancy's only think of themselves,

Nothing better than being at a public range with braked rifles on either or both sides of your bench,

Multiple people at the local range have stated to management that they need to consider dedicating a separate range for the braked rifles,

I'm tired of having items blown off my bench by the sideways blast.

Took my son to the range 3 years ago, he was 13 then and sure enough we got trapped in between two braked rifles,

He lost all interest in the rifle range.

Did I mention I hate muzzle brakes?

Kenneth - +1. Homesteader

Whaaaa! Sniff sniff. Whaaaaaaa!

There's a fix for that. Take your Weatherby or mebbe a .416 Rigby, .600 Nitro, something of that sort. When the goblins start blowing stuff off your bench, stand up, load up and retaliate. Works most days.

Mosin Nagant mod. 38 carbine and heavy ball loads work to.

You obviously have never gone to a PRS match. Any rifle that doesn't run a can is braked. It greatly improves your ability to spot your hits on steel...especially when shooting from contorted and non traditional positions when shooting off various barricades.

I'm pretty sure Ted was testing out his design and machinist skills, since he built that brake.



It's your fault for sandwiching your boy between two braked rifles. You could have easily talked to either shooter and asked them to switch positions with you, or you could have packed up and called it a day. It's easy to blame other people for you being too stubborn to find a solution to the problem.

Brakes at prone matches are a major nuisance. You definitely don't want to be lying down next to a braked rifle. When someone with a brake shows up, most just shake their heads. It makes nobody happy, nor should it.

I have seen where they make the braked rifle guy either shoot before everyone else, or after. What a PITA. Not only does it prolong the time of the match, it also imparts an unfair advantage. I don't think they should be allowed in certain matches. The brake runners should run their own matches, and blow dirt and grass all over each other, and each other's scope lenses.

I have no problem if someone wants to use a brake for whatever reason, but it should not affect other shooters.........

A lot of funny post above.

I knew as I posted the clip that it would get some menstrual symptoms to float up to the top quite quickly.

I'm glad I live in the country and not in a city and am not subjected to these horrible "public" range stories.

As taylorce1 stated....this was a test of a large but light brake that I made in my shop.

It was a successful test and the next one will be made to fit a LR AR Prairie Dog rifle.

Real men don't need or use brakes.......

When my shoulder can no longer take the pounding, I'll drop down in rifle power, and wont kid myself into arguing with penis envy big gun physics, I'll still be able to hear it all too.

The brake....with most shooters....is usually about recoil

In this case I made it to address muzzel lift or reducing it

The brake in this test vents the gasses up and out

This allows the shooter to see a hit or miss on steel or varmints through the scope

This is why so many hunters outside of the USA use a suppressor on a hunting rifle

Right there is the problem with America, perceive a problem and want special regulations/rules to eliminate the perceived problem. We're becoming a nation of pansies one rule/regulation at a time.

I second that!

Have you ever tried shooting a prone match lying next to a guy with a brake? Or are you just talking out your ass?

Some may say the problem with America is people speaking of $hit of which they are obviously clueless about.....

If your fellow prone match competitors knew a brake got you that far off you're game in a competition you shouldn't be surprised to have one on both sides next week.

The noise and blast wave put out by some brakes is simply obnoxious. There are circumstances where that description fits their users as well.

You're an ass,

I sandwiched my boy? You have no clue what your talking about.

And yeah, I'll pack up and go home even though I have at least two hours invested and a bunch of coin, all because the range is proliferated with Sallys who need brakes on .308's,

Pound sand.

It isn't just myself, nor close. NOBODY I have seen will lie down next to a guy with a brake. It is a rare occasion when someone brings one to a match. Mostly guys who don't know any better or are new to shooting matches. That person is made to go shoot down on the end away from the others, the times I have seen it happen. Have also seen it where they shoot before or after the other shooters.

I am not saying brakes don't have their place(even though I don't use them). Merely that a prone match isn't one of them....

Nope not a match, just tried to shoot targets laying next to machine guns (M60, 240B, M2, M249, and MK19). I managed and didn't complain about the muzzle blast from them. I figured it was my job to deal with adversities.



You allowed you boy to remain between two braked rifles (sandwiched), to the point where "He lost all interest in the rifle range." You didn't say how you tried to remedy the problem, you just bitched about it here. I'm sure an amicable solution could have been made if you had taken the time to talk to the other shooters, and could have been a great teaching moment for your boy on how to deal with other people. Maybe then your boy wouldn't hate the rifle range.

Sure I'm an ass.

Shoot enough, you'll welcome a reduction... but yeah, the few rounds most folks shoot a year, you can do without a brake.

And south of me, the pansies paddle kayaks and want all the shallow water to themselves....

I find it hard to believe how big of a whimp most people have become.

A suppressor solves both problems... just sayin'...

It is the best solution by far, but a brake doesn't take a year to get.

So one is a "whimp" because they find dirt and grass hitting them in the face and sticking to their lenses annoying while trying to shoot small groups at long ranges.

And the guys who DON'T USE brakes are the whimps.

What is hard to believe is the stupid $hit people say around here.

Let me guess, you have never tried shooting a prone match next to a brake either. Because their is nobody who would choose to shoot next to a braked rifle as opposed to an unbraked one....

Again, you have no clue what your talking about, but keep assuming, it only solidifys the ass statement, not that I really needed the help.

I was there, you weren't,

get it?

That's what I thought.

You're an ass...

Only takes a year if you waited too long to begin with...

Brakes are simply inconsiderate... brake users should be aware of their effects on other people around them, and to their own ears. We don't need more "rules".... we need less inconsiderate ass holes.

Nailed it....

Said the man with the muzzle brake....

While you are busy "inventing" muzzle brakes, how bout you invent one that directs gases right back at the jacka$$ using it instead of the people next to him....

On a lighter side Ted, what does your subject line say?

Your words, not ours.

Bait....

God did it work

Like I said

I knew this would draw a crowd

Glad I don't frequent a "publuc" range

Generally, these are my thoughts on brakes too and those that have them on rifles...

99% of the time it's someone who's waaay overcartridged and way under their perceived shooting skills...

Amen...

I only own one with a brake. It was a gift to me.

I know how and where to use it.

Folks are stupid in the way they use them at times. Folks are also ignorant or stupid if they don't get away from the folks that don't know how.

Suppressor is by far the ticket, but not all that many have them.

As to all this bluff about not shooting next to a brake... if it bothers you your sub conscious brain is not in the place its supposed to be to shoot well anyway, not that many even understand that.

BTW I just recall that I lied. I have 2 with brakes. The 50 has one. I have shot one a fair amount. It slaps you in the face hard, dusts and grasses you etc... but after the first shots, you understand and dont' even realize its doing it. Its as bad if not worse shooting it, than shooting next to a braked gun otherwise.

I'm not that old but so far I've learned to deal with about everything so far. Brakes when they came out just took a bit and all was good.

I do feel for folks that have to use public ranges though, they burn time and energy and then have to think about when/what and how they do things to make life continue to move forward in a "normal" manner.

I'd rather deal with a brake as a guide, than someone shooting ballistic tips. LOL that ought to stir it up.

Plugs and muffs combined, which is how you should shoot on any range anyway, cover a lot of the issues.

I pray some of you never have to shoot in the cold, heat, high winds, rain, dust, etc..... Reminds me of the day we shot offhand at perry, and the wind and rain blew so hard it snapped the 2x4 carriers in half here and there.... there was so much whining that day they had to call in for a rail car full of cheese before the afternoon was over...

Quiet brakes don't work.

C'mon, you can do better than that.....

Unless you feel like you hit a dead end.

Why the deflection?

Several people stated they don't care for brakes, doesn't mean you have change course.

take a few minutes, come back with something a little more creative.

I've changed course?

Funny

Our projects end is for a LR AR .223

Please enlighten me......

Tell us about the bait, the reason for the post.

There are some guns that are just plain loud. I was at the range when both I, with my braked rifle, and a friend without a braked rifle agreed that a guy with a 7mm Mag without a brake was louder than my braked rifle. Both were using about the same amount of powder.

Do you same guys moan and whine about a guy with a .454 revolver on a bench next to you. They are just as loud as a braked rifle.

Very slow rainy weekend.....

I'm glad I live in the sticks of Southern Missouri on the West side of the deviding line and a long long ways from the high density areas of the North East 1/4th of the lower 48.

You're clearly running out of gas, C'mon, try harder.

muzzle brakes, nor I, care where you live.

Whats your point? whats the purpose of bait?

why the deflection?

You just happen to fit my 99% perfectly, imagine that....

Ladder tests, Hubble scopes as spotters, big huge brakes on custom wildcats that burn waaay to much powder for their gain, holier than thou attitude....you fit the brake user profile perfectly....

This thread is far from running out of gas

"Methane"

I hope the guy next to me is ok with my muzzel blast....

This is a nice place to shoot

500 yards and a skeet house

Private property with no complaints

Hard not to enjoy the non presence of other people

Hell yes....


I'm usually alone in the desert with rocks and cactus...

Shouldn't be a problem, you live in the sticks, 'memba?

try to keep up Ted, this is getting boring.

Only 400 yards available at my place but again...private

Here I am throwing brass and there is some muzzel blast from the brake....and from a road

Damn AR rifle to boot

Lotta folks hate those

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This is the same spot by the house

The neighborhood is probably forming an HOA

[img:center]https://youtu.be/pGC20fRA_6U[/img]

If you are going to be firing a rifle with a brake in close proximity to others, you should be courteous. I had a ported Guide Gun that was OBNOXIOUS with stout handloads. When I was at the range, I talked to and cooperated with other shooters. Being respectful isn't difficult.

I'm respectful to not shoot with others

I had one once. Never had a rifle I hated more.

I've found a polite and calm discussion with solve most brake problems.

Just go my first brake a few weeks ago and mounted it on my Ruger Scout .308. My long time hunting buddy says there is no recoil but I think it is more like a .30-30, probably somewhat less.

So far it hasn't been a problem for other shooters as we have either been shooting next to other braked rifles or we have provided plenty of separation or just set it aside and shot other rifles.

It isn't the brakes that are inconsiderate, it is some of the shooters using them. Often I think they don't realize how annoying the brakes can be. When I've discussed the issue with such shooters they have either moved or set the braked rifle aside.

I'm with you on this. I shake my head, every time I see a new guy plop down his handy dandy hunting rifle with a brake screwed on the end of it. Generally it's a younger guy that doesn't know any better. The last time it was a younger guy toting a braked 308 Winchester Ruger 77 mkII and his dad with a brand new AR 15 with all the fixins. Their buddy also had a fancied up AR and we were trying to be nice to them, letting them get their rifles dialed in so they could shoot a little comp with us. One guy crossfired onto my target that was 10 feet away from his target stand and that same guy also had a negligent discharge of his rifle 5 feet in front of the benches. I'd sometimes like to shove a muzzle braked rifle or AR up someones azz so far, they'd have a pointy head. Am I a dick? Yeah, most of the time..

I had a braked .338 Win Mag. I liked it well enough but I had to wear earplugs and shooting muffs simultaneously. One day I forgot to slip my muffs over my plugs. My ears rang for the next year. I don't have that gun anymore.

It seems the majority of you frequently visit the "public" range

That has to suck

You didn't answer the question so I guess the answer is "yes".

Had to elbow my way in here...

I don't know what kind of rifle the guy had, but his black rifle threw brass at least twenty-five feet and was hitting the side of my car. Someone indicated this to him and he seemed oblivious to it. Another black rifle shooter had some kind of catcher on his. I guess he didn't like to chase his brass.

As far as being considerate with a braked rifle, I try to be the first one there and finish early. Does that make me a good person. No. It make me a shooter who wants to get there before the wind comes up. But it is a public range and it is what it is.

It really does Ted. One day I'll have my own range.

Everybody seems so angry.





Travis

Before I had a suppressor, I ran brakes. Without one or the other, it is all but impossible to spot your own hits in the glass. Yes, they are loud...and suppressors are better...but I dont care. They work for the purpose intended. Those with brakes have just as much right to shoot as those who do not.

What a bunch of codgers.

If you can't stand brakes, don't go to the Icebreaker.

They're on damn near every rifle.




Dave

Nah - it's too far from the cities so many times I have the range to myself, even on weekends. Several 50-100 yard lanes, one multi-bench, and a multi-nbench 100-600 long range.

Calm the hypersensitivity guys. Being at the range next to a rifle with a brake can be loud and unpleasant, but owning a loud rifle can come in handy with range hogs.

We had a "bench rest" guy that had this habit of setting up shop and monopolizing 3 benches with his crap and taking 1 shot every 2 minutes or so and being reluctant to go cold so others could place and take down targets.

He'd go late on Friday's when I would go and the range was otherwise not so busy. Mr. Snob pretty much turned his nose up any anyone not putting up wind flags or shoot 6mm PPC from a rifle with a truck axel sized barrel.

Finally fed up with his condescending ways and his range monopoly, I had a solution for him. I showed up, and usual he made three of us wait 15-20 before he would go cold and let us go down range. He had 4 benches covered in his stuff. Spotter on one, rifles on 2 others, shot from the 4th.

After 30 minutes, one of the other guys wanted to change/retrieve targets and this guy wouldn't go cold because he was "working on a string". Whatever. I went to my car and pulled out my 450/400 double and the ammo case. I set up and started shooting at 50 yards. Boom! Boom! I cut loose with a right and left, and then did it again. Mr. Snob suddenly looked irritated and walked down to my station where he witnessed another right and left. Boom! Boom!

"How many more of those you got to shot" Mr. Snob asked in an obviously irritated tone.

"Oh, not many. I only brought 60 or so today." Boom! Boom!

Mr. Snob packed up his crap in a huff and left.

The other two shooter came down, checked out the double and gave me high 5 for chasing him off. I put the double away and the rest of us had a pleasant afternoon shooting, snob free.

Much like Hatari's guy I used to have to put up with a wind flag guy who would handload in between shots and hog up multiple benches. He always shot .220 Russian and was a total range snob. One day he was extra ornery so I set up to his left and gave him a brass shower with my SKS. He was pissed. He left though.