I have a line on a Kimber Montana in 7 WSM.

What is the good and the bad??

I figure if I don't like it, I can probably list it here and move it along.

What would be a good price?

Thanks

Dave

Depending on condition, $800-900 would be a good price. They used to command a bit of a premium, but that seems to have faded. The search function is not being friendly right now, but there was one on here recently in nib or very good condition that sat for a bit and eventually sold for less than 1k iirc. Perhaps soneone (Don?!?) has it tagged and can link it for you.

Yea,I would try to get it for about $700. I passed on one for that last year. Probably should have bought it but was tight on funds at that moment and I don't buy toys from the general fund.

At Around $700 you could get rid of it if you didn't like it and not be out money after transfer and shipping.

800. One thing to be aware of is brass availability. Or lack thereof..

I have 2 Montana's currently, a .308 and a .223. I would prefer a .243 or a .257 but this one might be at a good price.

Brass availability... Can I make brass out of 300 WSM brass?

Thanks

Dave

If you can stomach Hornady brass then the brass issue is solved for now if a guy lays in a bunch. Hornady just released a run of 7 WSM a few weeks ago.


I am not sure one can make 7 WSM brass from 300 WSM well. The 7 WSM brass has differnt dimensions then 300/270 wsm

Yes, you can use 300wsm, because when you run it through a fl sizing die, it creates a false shoulder. Stay away from 270wsm though, because you would run the risk of case separation, due to excessive headspace.

I false shoulder 300wsm brass to make 7wsm

Cabelas had Win. Brass last fall. A new bag sold on GB tonight for $30.

Probably the best turn-key, general-purpose killing rifle I've ever owned. I'd gladly pay $1000+ for another if I had to. Hornady 7WSM or else WW .300 WSM are decent brass options.

Jordan

How is felt recoil for a 7 WSM Montana compared to say a .308 Montana?

You are saying I should buy it and kill some stuff and then decide which to keep or to keep both?

Thanks

Dave

I have several hundred pieces of new Winchester 7 WSM brass available, if you need ammo.

I would HIGHLY not recommend making 7 WSM brass from 300 WSM. The 300 WSM, 270 WSM, 325 WSM all have a shorter shoulder by .038". This would create a big stretch of the brass at the case web, and you would easily cause a case head separation upon firing.

How would 300 WSM brass work and 270 WSM not work, when they are both the exact same shoulder length? The 300 would neck down, but you could easily neck up 270 to do the same thing. And BTW, all this is a very BAD idea! I've seen case heads separate on much less than .038" expansion.

You don't what you're talking about.

Buy it and keep both if you have a use for both. If you don’t do much backpacking, the 7WSM would get the lion’s share of hunting use, IMO.

It comes back a little harder than the .308, but the stock design soaks up recoil extremely well, so there’s little discomfort. The extra pound helps there, too. The longer 24” barrel also makes it balance better than the .308, IMO.

Mine needs another barrel. It’s the last one I’d sell for pure utility.

You could use .270WSM brass, as well, but you’d have an added step of necking up to larger than 7mm before necking part of the neck down again to form the false shoulder for positive headspace. You also risk donuts that way. Easier and safer to use .300WSM brass.

That may be true if you neck down the full length of the neck, but leaving a false shoulder as previously stated keeps the case head snug against the bolt. I have a hundred Normal 7mmWSM stamped 300WSM.






I agree with Jordan, the 7WSM and the big sister, 300WSM are pretty mild to shoot at max with the Kimber stock, my 300WSM Winchester Extreme Weather and 70 Classic Synthetic 7WSM were not so mild.

I'm really enjoying my 7wsm as well. I actually sent my tikka 7mm rem mag down the road and kept the model 70 7wsm. The 7wsm doesn't seem to be picky like the 7mm rem mag has been for me. Now, about brass. I bought 5 boxes of federal factory ammo last fall. Are any of you still seeing that on the shelves? For that matter, what factory ammo do you guys find the most of? It's hard to find any around here..

Like others already said, you don't know what the fu ck you are talking about.

Obviously, you have a lot to learn. Hint..

The only 7WSM ammo I have seen was Fed Blue and Red at Gander before the local store closed. I don't recall seeing it locally but we only have a few options, maybe three choices in town and one is Walmart.

Someone who "knows" as "much" as you,is going to be farrrrr better served by asking questions...rather than giving "answers". Hint.

Now as to Montucky 7 Whizzum's,I've only got a trio and reckon I should salt a few more away,if only for good measure. They've the RPM,throat geometry and COAL latitude,to connect all dots and are without doubt,the most Superb Killing Rifle ever offered over the counter and I've mused same more than a few times.(grin)



The Montucky Whizzum handle is rather adept in managing felt recoil and Sister has loved her's,since a pre-teen. I savvy the appeal.

Puked another set of LW's on one,not long ago and I think that's (8) sets that've puked on me...outta about 40 that were in service as mainstays. Though in fairness,this is the first puke,in that location and different from most other LW failures. Admittedly,said rifle is a Safe Queen.(grin)




Lapped Of Course...RINK

Just sayin'.



Swore off LW's all together and started tossing schit offa cliff.



I hear good thangs about 180 ELD's in same(2950fps),though the 162 'Max and 162 ELD's ain't no slouch(3125fps)...or so I've heard.



'Course I VERY much enjoyed your keen "understanding" of headspace,as you talk out your ass about the things furthest from your faculties...so PLEASE continue with your version of "knowledge","experience" and "results".

Hint.

Just sayin'.

Bless your heart.

Laffin'!

Wow +P+!

Chad, think of it this way. If you're familiar with Ackley Improved cartridges, they would not exist if there wasn't a safe way to blow out the shoulders of the parent case. With the AIs, the parent case headspaces on the shoulder where it joins the neck (assuming the chamber is cut right), and the cases don't stretch at the web when they're fired, they expand like a balloon. Same thing with a false shoulder, if it's done correctly the case headspaces on the false shoulder and it's blown out, not stretched.

I have a few hundred pieces of WW 7 WSM brass too but the quality is poor so based on Jordan's advice I formed a bunch from 300 WSM. It works well.

See
Rick still hasn’t locked all your accounts YET. LOL. PM me😉You poor booboo lipped NPGF.
300wsm Norma will due just fine.

Fathers, don't let your kids huff spray paint.

Well, it is in the truck.

Boxer, do you mind sharing at least your preferred powder for the 162 loads.

Jordan do you have any preferred loads for lighter bullets?

Thanks guys, you are all a bunch of enablers.


Dave

I’ve never seen a 7WSM, the 270 and 300 are great. The 7 should be too,

Does it have more get up and go than a 7 mag? It isn’t listed in my books.

R-26 is giving me 3170 with 162’s. The load is on alliant’s website. Work up to it because I got there a lot quicker than what their max showed.

R17 and 140’s is a good combo, and 7828ssc as well as R26 work really well with 162’s and 180’s.

I’m at 65 grains of rl26 and 180 eldm made it to 68but 65 shoots better.
Was at 68 grains of RL26 with the 162eldx. Rl26 is pretty good stuff in the 7wsm

I’m shooting 67gr R26 with the 180 ELD. Same with 7828ssc for nearly identical velocity- 2990 fps from a 26” barrel.

Happy bday Jordan. The 56 was 65 on the fly when I posted sorry.

Use any h1000??

I made it here and got to much pressure but load shot ok.

I just picked one up off gunbroker. Gonna get a 3-9 Super Chicken

Thanks, Fred!

Always had such good results with 7828ssc that I never bothered with H1000. Though with all the talk of R26, I couldn’t resist, and it does work well.

I ran 67gr of R26 with the 180 eld-m’s for 3050 fps in my 26” Ga Precision 7 WSM. I had 9 loads in my Brass when I sold the rifle to go lighter and primers still seated snug as they did as virgins. Admittedly that barrel done gap seems to run everything about 75-100 fps faster then boom. I miss that rifle but it was a pig.

Princess, how fast do the 25/284 spit 80’s??? If only for conversation.... just wondering...