Has arrived!!

UPS surprised me today and added more stress on my shoulders by bringing her in today. 8 days from my hunt and she arrives in all her glory! I seriously have NEVER been this excited over a gun. I compared it to dating a girl for a while and then.... Well I can't say the rest but this is one friggin amazing muzzleloader that has complete style to it and feels like a perfect fit. I test fitted a 4x scope on it just to see and that sucker with the medium mounts that came with it, was perfect view of my eye, i didnt have to move my head side to side to get things lined up, It was perfect.

The oil that was protecting the bore and other metal almost had that diesel fuel smell.... Odd, yes... But it cleaned out extremely easily with Gun Scrubber and then followed up by Bore Scrubber and a Bore Brush. I also cleaned the breech plug threads out and made sure to flood that area with the Gun Scrubber to make sure that any kind of machining flakes were left over in there, they got flushed out.

Once that was done I installed a new Western Powders Blackhorn209 breech plug, snugged it up TIGHT to mate the face of the plug to the chamber inside the barrel. Next i removed the firing pin bushing, cleaned it out, relubed and then added a .005" shim to the bushing to adjust the "head space" to keep a snug fit against the primer to prevent blow by. This MR had excellent head space to begin with so only a thin shim was needed to make it perfect.

Next I stripped the forearm, barrel, rear stock and again used Gun Scrubber and sprayed down the frame exterior and internals. A good thing to because most people think all you need to do is wipe down the gun, clean the bore and its good to go. No way! Some don't realize that some machine shavings may still be left behind after assembly. I found some shaving mainly in the rear stock mount hole on the frame. It still leaves into the trigger assembly which can really mess something up or worse, make it feel gritty. CLEAN IT! No matter what Brand of Muzzleloader it is.

I measured the trigger right out of the box and it broke clean and crisp at 27oz and then 25oz. After cleaning out the guts with the Gun Scrubber and re-oiling with Gun Oil " PTFE Lubricant" She broke 3 times in a row at 27oz. Another beautiful trigger!

The biggest thing is the color combo for some. Its a very very light Tan, depending on the lighting i guess. The Weather Guard they used is nothing like Ceracoat which is very rough and dirty feeling. This WG is very smooth and slick and doesn't give off a glare, even during my picture taking in which i used a flash.

But enough with the talk, I will be writing a review on this gun later on during hunting season while we hunt with it. Heres the pics guys.


Not a big fan of the ramrod palm saver BUT if you load sabots, its very handy. Its just not needed with my Thors so I will leave it off.




Unscrew it and have a cleaning jag as well as a built in bullet loader. It fits Thors and Powerbelts perfectly, I will have to try the sabots I have on hand and get a list going on what it will work with.



Recessed area is the bullet loader.
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They also have improved the Ramrod Guide Thimbles that have plastic inserts to keep the rod quiet while stalking or while pulling/replacing it back under the barrel. They hold the ramrod A LOT tighter than the V2, Optima, Wolf, Apex. Hopefully they update the other guns with this as well
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New Quake sling also has been updated with Steel parts rather than the plastic the originals came with. Love the slings but the old ones had cheap plastic parts that were hard to screw in and unscrew. This is a huge welcoming improvement IMO.



Nice contour of the upper frame


The recoil pad I am not sure about yet. IMO it seems a lot harder than the original crushzone recoil pad. Im not sure if that will be a good thing on a 6lb rifle but I wont judge it yet until I shoot it.


Beautiful camo pattern to! Its by far my most favorite.


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Adjustable Trigger warning:
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Looks awesome!

I just got one too. Really nice gun.

That just might be my next muzzleloader.

That CVA ML is too fancy for you John. I'll send a pre-paid shipping label to you & take it off your hands.

Sharp! I like the ramrod design a lot. Very handy. Is the breechplug from BH necessary or and option? I was curious if they just made better ones than most factory for shooting BH209. What components do you plan on trying out?

CVA and Western Powder make BH 209 BP's for the CVA inlines. I've tried them both, and I like the Western Powder version better. They cost around $25. Well worth it for perfect ignition everytime.

It's critical to keep the flash channel clean. The Western Powder version comes with the proper size drill and drill holder to clean it out. Just a few twists by hand, and the carbon comes right out.

how does this muzzle loader compare to the cva apex? i sold my tc katahdin carbine and am ordering a new cva apex but this rifle looks sharp too!

Apex can use centerfire barrels, the MR is strictly a muzzleloader. If you are mainly wanting a ML, This one i HIGHLY recommend. If you think its sharp looking, i guarantee you WILL be shaking like i was the entire time i was cleaning the gun when i first got it.

i knew the apex has interchangable barrels that was kinda why i was leaning that way. prob wouldnt consider it but they make a whelen barrel 4 them

The Apex is quite a bit heavier, because of the CF. They had to make the receiver from steel. The MR is aluminum

The MR is actually an Apex receiver and stock, and shortened Accura barrel.

Kind of a mutt, but what a nice mutt.

thanks. i just did some research i i think that the accura mr is probably about right for me vs the apex. and its cheaper! i kinda was lookin to order it in .45 but it doesnt really matter, all my other ML's are 50's and i have tons of stuff for them. great review and thanks again!!

Well, mine is on the UPS truck for delivery. I should get it about noon today.

I'm excited.

Yawn.......

Why don't you mind your own business? Do we all have to like what you do?

Anyway, the scope is mounted and ready for the range tomorrow.

I plan on doing an in field review during the hunt with the MR. Now all we have to ask is.... Will Pete be to shy to step in front of the camera with the MR and give his opinion on the rifle and how it is carrying it around in the brush?

My opinion, the first scratch he puts on his, will leave him in tears LOL.

No, if you prefer a POS then I understand.

nobody prefers a POS but your still hangin' around and nobody says anything

swampman you already proved you are a poser with that picture of your reload room.

What I prefer is my business. Of course you know what a small minority you're in with a flintlock. There's a good reason.

It's 2012.

btw If you're going to quote the Bible. Act like you really read it.

You're rambling......

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Not sure why you showed that. You're not ignoring me. It's easy to check.

can i ask where you fellas ordered your from. im ready to buy but ive been price shopping. 469 is about as cheap as i can find. thanks.

Call up here, and ask for Carlos. Best deal you can get.

Ed's Gun Shop
5560 US 1 HWY
Vass, NC 28394
(910) 692-7936
(910) 692-4867 fax
[email protected] or [email protected]

Hours:
M - F - 9am - 6pm
Sat - 9am - 5pm
Sun - Closed

Nor did I imply that I was. It's the fellow that works for CVA that I'm ignoring.

+1........Big Time !!!

He wished he worked for them. He could use the money.

He gets stuff to review. Nothing wrong with that.

hell yeah i could use the money, just typical of swampman to be talking out his rear end as usual.

Winter must be early in Swampy's parts...........in his case being indoors leads to diarrhea of the mouth !!!

Yea, that couldn't influence a person at all.

So you get stuff for free? I thought so.....

I see you're off restriction. You must have brought your grades up. Good boy!

Wouldn't hurt to wipe your mouth........i bet that schit tastes bad............then again you may like it.


Mom says I can stay up even though it is a school night !!!

My CVA kicks ass.



170 yards-CVA w/Powerbelt. December 2011

CVA hits another home run with the new MR. Everyone is eating CVA's dust these days..only other one I would consider is the Traditions LD hunter.

Looks to me like the courts are eating CVA's dust. Nice looking muzzleloaders but too many catastrophic failures and lawsuits for my liking.

http://cvaguncases.com/Case___Information_Page.html

I don't see any Accura rifles on the list. They have the Bergara barrels. You also don't know if the cause is barrel failure, or user error.

Everybody thinks TC barrels are safe. They magnaflux the barrels, and can't fail. They have proof marks showing they're safe. Well, I say bull.

It took me 10 seconds to find this case, and i'm sure if I wanted to find more it would be hard.

http://www.ndd.uscourts.gov/dndopinions/html/4-06-cv-08-173.pdf

That was a USED muzzy. Who knows how it was treated.Look at all the cases on the CVA, they have always been sub par.

Yeah, good excuse. It was used. TC made the barrel.

Who's to say all the CVA's weren't abused too? It's pretty easy with a muzzleloader.

blah blah blah..Remington,Ruger, and many others have had lawsuits YEARS ago. Fact is TODAY CVA is making one of the best ML's on the market. Custom Muzzle loader 'smith Mike Belm(considered a top-notch'smith in NA) opinion..

http://bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=572

Ahh [bleep] it, maybe your right Catman. I'm gonna sell my Chevy & wifes Toyota because of brake failure they have had in the past. I think I'll buy a Schwinn Bike cause I'm a pansy ass that cannot get over the past automobile lawsuits.

Damn, I hope Firestone don't make Bicycle tires!

Looks like someone stole your bike..

Well if it has Firestone tires they'll blow out and she'll die riding it home.

Keep up with the times idiot. Old lawsuits mean nothing when a completely different company and philosophy take over. They are the Best Muzzleloaders made. Envy is a terrible thing

Well I certainly don't envy them because they've always been junk but if that's all you can afford and you're happy with them then whatever.I heard there was a bunch of azzholes on this sight, now I know.Seems like nobody can state an opinion unless they agree with yours.You have to resort to name calling so.... oh, by the way, [bleep] you idiots.You can have this place.

Lets see. You just called my gun junk.

Do I care if you leave?

Cya.

I used to think hunters were a tough bunch, but I see too many that act like women to think that anymore..

What's wrong with the truth?

You obviously have never picked one up , operated one and are going by what some nitwit on the net said. [bleep] you and the horse you rode in on

Nothing, but you would not know what that is . No point in discussing it with you, there is not a more disingenuos poster on the entire net.

See ya catgirl! Join the Oprah forum, much better for you.


Oh by the way, I killed one of your cats!

Stoney, you are going to make pussy boy cry with that awful pic

You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you silly.

Show me you've owned one, or stop talking out your azz.

the only F'n problem i see w/ the cva accura MR is that i cant find one! ive called a ton of places w/ in 100 miles or so and nobody has one. im pizzed!!

I've owned several. I was young and didn't know any better. Thankfully I wasn't injured seriously. The quality is just miserable.

If you were young. You couldn't have had the current versions. Lots of changes in the last few years.

Call Ed's gunshop
5560 U.S. 1 Vass, NC 28327
(910) 692-7936

Ask for Carlos..he will get you one

Try here, and ask for Carlos. I'm pretty sure they have some in stock.

Ed's Gun Shop
5560 US 1 HWY
Vass, NC 28394
(910) 692-7936
(910) 692-4867 fax
[email protected] or [email protected]

Hours:
M - F - 9am - 6pm
Sat - 9am - 5pm
Sun - Closed

thanks, will i need my dealers ffl or can muzzle loaders be mailed directly to me?

No FFL required since you cant swap barrels with the Accura MR.

Carlos can ship direct.

sweet! thanks a bunch guys!

Yea, they give them a coat of paint.

well since you dont approve of cva what 'should' the rest of us shoot? i mean, what do you have??

T/C Encore today....but they cost money and are American made. IMO the T/C Impact is better than anything CVA will ever make. Knight is also making safe muzzleloaders.

Isn't the Encore the one guys put Bergara barrels on?

I don't think Bergara would bother making them if they didn't sell a lot of them. I don't see anybody putting TC barrels on CVA's.


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/11...-1-in-28-twist-28-fluted-stainless-steel

We know that Swampfag700.

Did you sell your Gainsville home and move into the Villages yet?...if not, you should. Maybe you can find some people there to believe in your bullchit.

The reason they cost money is the amount of outdoor shows with their "Hunters" schilling encores. Encore is a step beyond the Apex by far. Knight went out of business once and is headed that way again. I thought you bought a Remington 700 Muzzie LOL

Yep Swampman700 the truth dows hurt I for opne had just about every muzz that was made an CVA one of the tops TC getting close to being like Remington [Junk]

Typical Walmart shopper and CVA owner.

Coming from a guy who buys this..

Will the paint keep the breechplug from having to be removed from your skull at the emergency room. I love my new Ford BTW.

Is that your hunting vehicle? You must hunt at the mall.

Only a Puzzy would buy a POS like that..Swampie did you get the Ford 2 for 1 deal and get a Fiesta for each foot ?

got my new cva accura MR tonight!! ive been lookin at the apex for a few months and as soon as i sold my tc katahdin encore i was going to buy it. when i read this review and did some research i relized the MR was what i actually wanted and boy im glad i did. its 1030 pm so i havnt had a chance to go over it and clean it up but i did set a luepy vx2 1-4 in the rigs and it looks and feels awesome! thanks guys!!!

Where did you find one?

Just received two from Ed's gun shop and they had the best retail price.

It's my wife's car. She wanted it and I bought it for her. Whatever she ask for, she gets.

When you guys are backed into the corner with facts, all you can do is hurl insults. A very childish but common tactic. If you want to help a foreign company (that steals American designs)dump $hit on American shores (& sold below cost because they get money from their own government) that's up to you. My health and safety and regard for my fellow man is important to me. I hope you enjoy the free stuff they give you to sell your souls.

I think you'd be better off to mind your own business. You're just making an azz of yourself.

btw Where was that scope made that you recommended?

You are incapable of making lucid statements and certainly never present facts. You comment on stuff you have no clue about. I believe the car in question is made overseas whereas every Japanese,Korean and a few German car companies are situated in the good ole USA. If you regarded you health and safety and that of your wife you wouldn't buy that POS.

Finally the discussion is muzzleloaders not cars and you are out of your element discussing the merits any firearm with the exception of a Daisy BB gun and I almost doubt that.

my local cabelas 40 minutes away!

Sounds like a solid relationship.

Wow even attack a man's family. CVA owners show their colors. The facts really get to you, don't they?

Not in the Philipines like the brand you suggested.

Yap..Black & Silver.

You're a little out of touch. Redfields are made and owned by Leupold in the state of Oregon.

Isn't it amazing that everytime the subject of CVA is brought up Mr.Swampy has to add his two cents even though he claims that they're the devils handiwork.The thread was started as a review of a new gun but as usuall he has to chime in with his negativity of which no one is interested.People who are actually interested in the review then have to deal with his never ending drivle about his Precious TC's,his precious wife,and his precious import.And Swmpass,if you really gave a rats ass for for fellow man like you claim,you'd steer clear of these conversations and stick to the TC loving ones on Greybeard.No one on here needs a warning from you on the dangers of the devils firearms.By the way i own 7 CVA's and 2 TC's and the CVA's will outperform them in every area and and half the price.

Well he thinks Leupolds are made in the Philippines, so why should we believe he knows anything at all?

i bought mine BECUSE of this review. now i have a damn question lol. you show mention of swapping out breech plugs for one designed for bh209.is there a reason not to shoot bh209 w/ the factory breech plug? just curious cuz thats what i prefer. i do have a bunch of 777 and goex ffg and two boxes of white hots but i was not all that happy w/ the white hots the first time i used them. they seemed corosive and stunk to high heavens. any input either way woud be great. thanks again guys!

-Brandon

The original BP was designed before BH 209 was invented. It's actually made for pellets.

If you want reliable ignition with BH 209. You need a BP designed for it.

well, ive always been a loose powder guy so i guess i better get me one.

80 grains of Pyrodex RS might be safe.

Found this on Modern Muzzleloader from June 21st 2012.

Now that was funny. Thanks

Busted.

Thanks Omega.

Until recently....

On top of the fact that you didn't find it. Safety is the issue not accuracy....we kept loads light and we threw them away when CVAs started blowing up left and right.

Sorry Swampy but your post on Modern Muzzleloader states that you son is still using his 15yrs later. Clearly just stating what you typed. By one reading what you typed I do not see how if he's still shooting it 15yrs later you threw it away? Need a shovel?

He threw it away.

You're saying the Redfields are made in the Philippines now? You can prove this?

Call them....

For those of us that like to hear both sides of the story and not some individuals aimless rants.

http://blog.cva.com/the-truth-about-cva-muzzleloaders/

Now there's an unbiased cover-up if there ever was one.

Check out these pics....

http://cvaguncases.com/Photographs_Page.html

But all this aside their unethical business practices are my main beef.

The new Redfield Revenges are made overseas.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477626

Oh ok. I only have experience with the Revolutions, and that's what I was recommending. The ones I had were a good bargain for the money.

Pretty disappointing that Leupold had to do this.

Omega45, your awesome! This is freagin halarious!!!

Your Bullchit get's thicker & thicker SwampFag700! Why don't you join the Oprah Forum...maybe they'll listen to your crap over there.

whats this? I go hunting and come home to THIS?!!

Funny picture! That cracked me up.

We have been having some fun Jonathon. Swampfag700 came out of the closet and admitted his CVA ownership.

As mentioned when confronted with facts all you have is insults. Pathetic little girls...

Why buy a Redfield when you can get an American made Leupold for the same price?

The Revolution is just a VX-1 without the polished tube. I bought mine when they first came out, and only cost $139. At the time the VX-1 was the old one, and not any better than the Redfield.

Now the VX-1 has been improved to the old VX-2, and is a much better deal at $209. While the Redfield jumped in price to $179. I bought the new VX-1 and the new VX-2, and they are better than the old VX-I and VX-II.

I wouldn't buy a Redfield now, but I recommended it to keep in his budget. It's still an ok scope, but not the bargain it used to be.

I agree....

American made with japanese glass

Yeah, it's hard to get away from that now.