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Posted By: Sitka deer Bear Charge - 08/17/09
Just found out about this today from a friend, about this friend. Greg and his daughter were on my boat year before last and his daughter did some amazing things, killing deer and other critters...

Anyway, this is quite a story... http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/080709/out_478669517.shtml

Soldotna mans brush with bear too close for comfort
By Joseph Robertia | Peninsula Clarion
Last Sunday a fourth brown bear for the year was killed in a defense of life and property (DLP) shooting, and there is no mistaking that it was the former, not the latter, that was on the line for the man who shot it.

"I'm not trigger happy, and I wasn't looking for trouble," said Greg Brush, in regard to the incident that took place along Derks Lake Road, off Mackey Lake Road, outside of Soldotna.

The morning started casually for Brush. He had the day off from guiding king fishermen on the Kenai River, and with hunting season fast approaching, he decided to take a walk to start getting into shape.

"My wife and kids had other stuff to do, so I went alone and took the dog," he said, referring to his German shepherd.

In addition to his canine companion, Brush also decided to take a handgun -- a Ruger .454.

He was fortunate he did, but Brush said it was more than luck than made him opt to carry the pistol. It was a recent history of run-ins with brown bears -- as many as 13 last summer, and several already this season -- that made him decide to take protection that day.

"I've had a bear greet my wife at the base of the front steps, popping it's jaw from 10 feet away. In broad daylight. I've had a sow and two cubs chasing my dog on the front lawn, and had two cubs walk past the kids on the trampoline. And, recently I had bears pull down my bear-resistant garbage can," Brush said.

Back on April, 18, 2005, a jogger also was mauled by a brown bear, roughly 400 yards from where Brush had the run-in with his brownie. All of these factors played into him packing a pistol, but he said he still thought he would never have to use it.

"I just never thought it would happen to me. It's one of those things you just always think happens to somebody else," he said.

However, less than a quarter of a mile from his home, Brush heard a twig snap behind him. He whirled his head around and saw a huge bruin burst from the woods less than 20 yards away. It moved straight for him.

"It came with zero warnings. There was no woof, no jaw popping, no standing up. It just had its head down, ears back and was in a full charge," he said.

Brush's dog was roughly 50 yards in front of him when the bear made it's move, and it ran home frightened. Brush was on his own, and he said he didn't have time to think. He just instinctively reacted.

"I drew my gun and just started shooting in its direction. There was no time to aim. I don't know where the first shot went, but I think the second or third shot hit him. I rolled him at about five feet away," he said.

But, the bear had so much momentum behind him from the full charge, that once it rolled over from being hit by the 350 grain bullets, he still slid several yards across the gravel road, and just a couple of feet from Brush.

"He skidded to a stop about 10 feet beyond where I was shooting from. I actually side-stepped him and fell over backward on the last shot. His momentum carried him past where I fired it from," he said.

"From the time I saw him, until he skidded past me it was seconds, and I'm not exaggerating or fabricating anything," he added.

The Alaska Department of Fish and Game investigated the incident and confirmed the scenario played out just as Brush described. They also were able to glean information about the bear, which may have led to it making such an aggressive move toward Brush.

"It was a big boar, roughly 15 to 20 years old, but in poor body condition for this time of year. He was very thin and had significant tooth wear," said Jeff Selinger, area wildlife biologist with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

Beyond these biological attributes, Selinger said it is difficult to pinpoint the exact reason the bear may have charged, although he pointed out that often bears that have lost their fear of humans have done so by gaining food rewards associated to humans.

These could include improperly stored garbage, the contents of unsecured freezers, food for pets or livestock not properly cleaned, salmon eggs left out to cure for bait or bird seed left out all year, just to name a few.

However, Brush was emphatic that he and nearly all his neighbors work hard to minimize bear attractants.

"Over the past few years, we've taken every precaution possible to reduce or avoid this real and severe bear problem," he said.

Again, Selinger confirmed Brush's statement, for the most part.

"I've been by Greg's place several times and he keeps a very clean area, but a lot of times people doing things right pay the price for people doing things wrong. There have been attractant issues in this neighborhood in the past, and this area is a popular spot for people illegally dumping fish carcasses, so I'd almost guarantee that within a five mile radius of where this occurred there are attractants, and five miles is just a few minutes' walk for a bear," he said.

Brush said he was angered to learn this fact, particularly since if true, someone else's negligence could have contributed to him quite possibly losing his life.

"It's frustrating to learn that some lazy person on Strawberry Road, or Sterling, or wherever, could be contributing to my problem," he said.

Selinger said he is equally frustrated by the matter, and Fish and Game is trying to address this issue though a myriad of methods, of which pubic education is among the most important.

"We're going in the right direction with people understanding and making reasonable efforts to minimize attractants, but we still have a long way to go. To make this work, it is also important for people to make it clear to their community leaders that this is an important issue to them," he said.

Selinger cited Kenai, Homer and Seward as leading the way in taking steps to reduce conflict between humans and bears. These communities are involved in the Wildlife Conservation Community Program, which utilizes grant money and in-kind donations to inform residents on how to live safely in bear country, and to purchase or off-set the cost for bear-resistant garbage cans and Dumpster lids.

Soldotna also is working toward becoming a Wildlife Conservation Community program member, and Cooper Landing and Hope have similar bear programs in place.

However, Selinger said this is still not enough.

"We'd like to see this message go boroughwide," he said.

This most recent bear shooting brings the number of DLPs for the season up to four. The first DLP of the year was an adult male killed at a black bear baiting station off Swanson River Road on May 21, but Selinger could not comment further because the incident is still under investigation.

The second DLP was a subadult bear that was killed near the community of Sunrise, off of the Hope Highway, on June 25. The sex and details of this bruin's death also are unclear at this time, since the person who shot it took the salvaged carcass to the Fish and Game office in Anchorage, rather than Soldotna.

The third one was a yearling male euthanized June 26 by Fish and Game near a dwelling at the end of Denise Lake Drive, off Mackey Lake Road. The animal already had been injured. It was suffering from a gun shot wound that went unreported by whoever fired on the bruin.

In addition to these three DLPs, five brown bears -- one male and four females -- were killed during the spring brown bear hunt.

These combined numbers are a stark contrast to last year when 40 brown bears died as a result of human caused mortalities, of which 31 were DLP shootings.

As to the nine brown bears that died as a result of human-caused mortalities in 2008 that were not related to DLP shootings, one was hit by a vehicle while crossing the road, two were killed during legal hunts, two were shot by black bear hunters who misidentified them, one was a bear euthanized after it was reported and found to be mortally injured, one was a cub euthanized after its mother was shot and a home could not be secured, and two bears were found shot dead and never reported to Fish and Game by the shooters.

Joseph Robertia can be reached at [email protected].


Posted By: handwerk Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
Thanks for the story Art. I know when I was fishing that county a couple years ago they had fresh warning signs on several of the rivers and I was glad to at least have my friend packing heat as well as many of the other folks fishing. I could see the average "tough guy" in that situation passing up the dog on that run home.
Posted By: cowman Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
I hope my wife doesn't read this story or she will never let me go next week. grin Greg showed incredible coolness in this incident, which many individuals would not exhibit. Sounds like he had enough gun, I had looked at a Ruger Alaskan in 454 a week ago and the salesman said said it would never work for bears because he had fired one before and the recoil was uncontrollable wink Cowman
Posted By: gwindrider1 Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
And you believed what a freakin' salesman told you?
Posted By: shrapnel Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
These bear killing stories make me sick. Don't these people know they can stop a charging bear with Bear Spray. Here in Montana they all carry bear spray, Alaska people carry 375's.

Let's see, there are a couple hundred Grizzlies in Montana, thousands in Alaska....I still haven't bought any bear spray, it is only seasoning for the bear when he eats the bell ringing, dreadlock frocked hippies we have here.
Posted By: Syncerus Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
You can tell whether the fellow in the story was telling the truth by his hearing damage. If he was constantly saying, "What was that?" to the DF&G, then he was telling the truth.
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
I know Greg well and find the comments on the story hilarious... Especially from the obvious moron claiming to have hunted them and saying Greg was just covering up something.

There was an incident on Eagle River, practically in town a couple years ago where a young kid was under a brown bear after the bear knocked the kid down. The parents shot and killed the bear, catching flak from others literally claiming the bear "Was just playing!"
art
Posted By: stxhunter Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
i'd be getting a new dog
Posted By: mwarren Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
I am with stxhunter.
Posted By: cwh2 Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
The comments are hilarious. This one will be hard to top:

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I'll consider this an Alaskan hoax to chalk up yet another DLP.

Instead, it really looks like a case of an elderly, sick and starving bear hit by a truck and claimed as shot in self-defense.

I suppose this helps inflate the Alaska mystique of danger and adventure.


Yep, that's how it all REALLY happened. Guy finds a road kill bear (can't imagine what the driver's reaction would have been, had that been anywhere near reality), and decides that he'll open himself up to a nice F&G investigation, for absolutely no gain. All in the name of "inflating the Alaska mistique".

Keep it up folks, we all have to do our part to make this seem like it's not a terribly boring place to live.
Posted By: BW Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
"...I'd almost guarantee that within a five mile radius of where this occurred there are attractants, and five miles is just a few minutes' walk for a bear," he said."

Some of the fastest walking bears ever known to man. smile

Second case I heard, of a 454 Casull saving the day. Screw the salesman.
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
Since they are within 5 miles of the Kenai River and I think a salmon swam up it once...
Posted By: Middlefork_Miner Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
Originally Posted by mwarren
I am with stxhunter.


Me too...that dog is a worthless sack.
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
The brave dog attempts to draw the charge away from the Master and you all want to toss Ol' Yeller under the bus... Some peoples' kids...
wink
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: Bear Charge - 08/17/09
I always love to see all the excuses for a bear attack which overlook the fact that some bears are just pi$$ed. I think the dog read the situation correctly.
Posted By: 3sixbits Re: Bear Charge - 08/18/09
End all bear charges, don't let bears have credit cards. It all sounds like a liberal policy to give them credit cards in the first place.
Posted By: Kentucky_Windage Re: Bear Charge - 08/18/09
Hey, give the dog a break... maybe he was formerly owned by Ted Kennedy.
Posted By: Middlefork_Miner Re: Bear Charge - 08/18/09
Originally Posted by toltecgriz
I always love to see all the excuses for a bear attack which overlook the fact that some bears are just pi$$ed. I think the dog read the situation correctly.


What did they say the dog was??? German Sheperd??? more like german schittbird...
Posted By: Middlefork_Miner Re: Bear Charge - 08/18/09
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
The brave dog attempts to draw the charge away from the Master and you all want to toss Ol' Yeller under the bus... Some peoples' kids...
wink


Sacrilidge..(sp)... shocked...Old Yeller wouldn't a run...he'd a kilt that bar..
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Bear Charge - 08/18/09
If'n Greg dint geterdun Yeller wooda...
Posted By: las Re: Bear Charge - 08/18/09
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Since they are within 5 miles of the Kenai River and I think a salmon swam up it once...


Yeah, but I caught it.
Posted By: battue Re: Bear Charge - 08/19/09
My dog is smarter than that one. I'm sure he would have gave my shooting hand a good bite or "fetched" the revolver out of the holster and then headed for home to warn the family....
Posted By: mcknight77 Re: Bear Charge - 08/19/09
When the dog got home he related the story of his bravery to the neighbor dog by saying he told his master, "Skin this one, pilgrim, I'll be back with another in a few minutes!"
Posted By: BasicBeer Re: Bear Charge - 08/20/09
I can't fault the dog.

If the situation was reversed, what would you do?
Posted By: stxhunter Re: Bear Charge - 08/20/09
well since i wouldn't be in that situation unarmed i'd stay and help my dog. a good dog should of given him some warning of the bear at the very least and perferabably be willing to fight
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Bear Charge - 08/20/09
Thinking Greg is not the kind to blame the dog...
Posted By: Middlefork_Miner Re: Bear Charge - 08/20/09
He take the short bus to school??? whistle
Posted By: battue Re: Bear Charge - 08/20/09
I'm sure my hunting cocker would have stuck around. The only problem is that he probably would have been hanging on to my chest.....

However, I have no doubts that the one I had previously would have met that charge going full speed ahead right at it.

Since all worked out for the best, we can make a few jokes.
Posted By: Cariboujack Re: Bear Charge - 08/23/09
I heard Grits Greshum talking about a similar story but didn't tune in early enough to know if this was the one. Grits also said the guy tried to put one last round into the bear and the gun was locked up from bullet pull out. Was that this particular guy or does anyone know. IF so this is the second one of these I've heard of with the 454. Just wondering.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
The bear self defense thing is always going to be a tough situation. I think a lot of bears get shot by inexperienced, freaked out people. This said, you still want the ability to protect yourself. I think a whole lot more bears get shot in AK than are reported. Typically the nuisance bear that is habituated in a populated area. Without a doubt this is likely the most dangerous bear. In the wild I think the very rare bear that attacks, is the one you never see. Most bear situations are avoidable or will diffuse with time. The wild cards are when you step on a couple of cubs while busting through the alders or pitch your tent near a buried moose kill. The "Grizzly Man" and his girlfriend were the first known bear attack fatalities in Katmai National Park or preserve areas. This guy was an idiot and begged for the attack. Katmai has been open for at least 75 years and is absolutely choked with brown bears. The sad thing is that he brought his girlfriend along for it. No one sees more brown bears than the fly fishing guides in the Bristol Bay areas. All of them carry guns. I have never heard of one of them shooting a bear. When I worked in AK, I carried an overloaded 44mag. It seemed like a massive cannon in TN but in the alder bushes seemed like a bb gun. Most likely would have just wounded a bear. I never know what to believe when I hear the self defense stories. You really have no choice, but to rely on the fact that the person felt they were in imminent danger.
Posted By: Klikitarik Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Originally Posted by stxhunter
well since i wouldn't be in that situation unarmed i'd stay and help my dog. a good dog should of given him some warning of the bear at the very least and perferabably be willing to fight


Dogs can be a lot like people when it comes to bears. You just don't know how they'll react 'til they're "in the situation." I had a great bear dog, but you had to read him. He was definitely not one to provoke (or scare) a bear by barking, But he didn't turn tail and bring them back either. He was more like a bear "pointer" (though he was generally a poor hunting dog.) Still, he alerted to many bears and saved us some trouble as long as someone was paying attention - and you should be in bear country.
Posted By: Klikitarik Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Originally Posted by Cariboujack
.... and the gun was locked up from bullet pull out. Was that this particular guy or does anyone know. IF so this is the second one of these I've heard of with the 454. Just wondering.


And the first was Medred in the ADN? (That was a crazy deal IMO, if I might say so. Bad handloads??? his own.....)
Posted By: battue Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Had a black bear situation on a Ak. goat hunt two years ago. Up on top we saw him chasing the goats around, but they would just go higher and he would eventually quit.

After shooting a goat and returning to our tent we saw he had tore into it, ate some stuff and generally made a mess of things. While cleaning things up he came back. We yelled at him and he left twice. Upon returning the third time he started with the hissing and teeth clacking. That is when the guide said to shoot him. I said I thought we had enough to carry off the mountain and after talking about it we decided not to. Later that night he came in and took the meat that was just outside the tent.

The guide then said that he wished we would have shot him because he would be concerned about returning to that area again that year due to the fact that he would probably do the same and that if he ripped up the tent in bad weather it could be a problem. With a ripped tent and some tore up gear he indicated it would be no problem justifying it as DLP.

I don't know if the right decision was made or not, however he has considerable experience with both black and browns around Cordova. It seems DLP can have various definitions. By that I mean your life does not necessarily have to be in immediate danger at that particular moment to qualify under the definition.
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
No DLP gets prosecuted... Say "I was scared" and you are golden...

Have had way too many dealings with Medred "brilliance" to lend much weight to his side of any argument...
Posted By: Klikitarik Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Actually, I was a bit surprised at how "well" a situation went off this summer. (I never considered property as a legitimate defense issue personally and didn't previously know it was allowed.) But I did make sure I documented every kid we had along so that they (F&G) might have some perspective. (At least I suppose there is a bit more real concern in defense of a two-year-old as opposed to a 12 or 20 year-old simply from the individual's ability to defend themselves if "imminent" danger turns into "immediate.") I have never liked the prospect of the hassle, nor, of course, the possibility of a fine. Though the latter has always been less of a concern to me when a potential situation has loomed. But the paperwork is relatively hassle-free. The only reply I got was "you did right by sending the claws" which makes me think that some people take small trophies. I would have been more pleased if they had commended me for doing a decent job of skinning, and with a pocket knife even. The regs don't really say the parts need to be tannery ready but I at least rough fleshed the hide and skull (but no turned lips, eyes, or ears.)
Posted By: bonefish Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Kilkitarik,
I can only imagine how many bears have been shot going after the salmon drying racks in your picture. How in the world does the bear resist going after these? I imagine they have been used for 1000 years. I have often wondered about this. There is probably a zero tolerance policy with messing with the drying rack.
Posted By: Klikitarik Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Actually, it's kind of surprising how many people I've run into who share. In fact, a few years ago, I was talking to one of the most respected elders and he was telling me about his bear issues. I figured he would have taken the "western" approach to the issue. On the contrary, he still carried on the idea of respecting the animals so that their spirits will not return bad luck. (Some Native people are very hesitant to kill a bear if it can be avoided, yet the incidence of bear attacks considering the amount of time spent in their territory is low.) Anyway, that elder explained that he would carry a sack of dry fish up on the tundra, well back from his camp, so that the bear could eat too. It was a very interesting angle for someone who is more accustomed to "lobbing one over the bow". (A radio in a bucket by the fish rack works quite well also. If that "ain't" disprespect for the spirit of the animal, I don't know what is. grin But it works! whistle )
Posted By: Cariboujack Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Originally Posted by Klikitarik
Originally Posted by Cariboujack
.... and the gun was locked up from bullet pull out. Was that this particular guy or does anyone know. IF so this is the second one of these I've heard of with the 454. Just wondering.


And the first was Medred in the ADN? (That was a crazy deal IMO, if I might say so. Bad handloads??? his own.....)


Correct. I haven't heard that problem with any other caliber and I'm aware of probably 1/2 dozen DLP's. Most guys just shoot 44Mag. I have a 454 but seldom carry it. Mostly go with 44 Mag or 45 Colt either with Buffalo Bore Ammo
Posted By: bearhuntr Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
It's a simple matter to apply the proper crimp on any hard- charging pistol round. I suspect that the reverse is just as simple...

bhtr
Posted By: bonefish Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Radio in a bucket is hilarious. Those racks just look too tempting to expect the big brown guys to leave them alone. Saw a bunch of them on the Alagnak. They were also usually right by the front door. When I lived in King Salmon, we had a bear tear the door off of a car to get the leftover pizza in the back seat. Drying rack is like a buffet.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Bear Charge - 08/24/09
Radio in a bucket is hilarious. Those racks just look too tempting to expect the big brown guys to leave them alone. Saw a bunch of them on the Alagnak. They were also usually right by the front door. When I lived in King Salmon, we had a bear tear the door off of a car to get the leftover pizza in the back seat. Drying rack is like a buffet.
Posted By: bearstalker Re: Bear Charge - 08/25/09
Originally Posted by mcknight77
When the dog got home he related the story of his bravery to the neighbor dog by saying he told his master, "Skin this one, pilgrim, I'll be back with another in a few minutes!"


Ah, I got a kick out of that! grin Too funny.
Posted By: Ringman Re: Bear Charge - 08/25/09
Cariboujack,

When I first loaded for my .454 I had the cylendar lock up a couple times. I called Dick Cassul to find out how to prevent this. All I had to do was seat the bullet to the canalure in one press and crimp it with the next.

I have no idea why it works, but it does. Maybe one of the Lee Factory Crimp Dies might me in order.
Posted By: bobmn Re: Bear Charge - 08/28/09
Redding Profile Crimp die. Even works on a 425 gr. .475 bullet.
Posted By: Klikitarik Re: Bear Charge - 08/30/09
Hornady makes a good profile crimp for the 480/475 too.

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The round on the left has been through eight cylinders worth -40 shots- of abuse with 420 grain bullets. The Hornady set come with four dies. They won't let you seat and crimp in the same operation, an idea that is worthy of merit with heavy recoilers. I use the Lee FC die on my other heavy recoiling loads: 300s in 44 Mag and 45 Colt. I don't have issues with cylinder lock-up.

Except for personal protection however, I don't often carry handguns. A longgun is a better choice, if less convenient, when with a group of people.
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