If you had to choose a sheep gun in grizz country would you shoot the 270 WCF with 150gr at 2900; the 270 Weatherby 150gr at 3200 or the 300 win mag with 180gr at 3050fps? All shoot Partitions or TSX pretty well.
I have guns in the above cartridges and I am just curious what you might choose and why?
Sheep would be under 400 yards 90% of the time; Grizz, between 15 yards and 150 yards with maybe a longer shot under the right conditions.
which one do you prefer ?
Well, the 270 WCF is the lightest and has a 22.5" new Pac-nor barrel; about 7 pounds.
The 270 Weatherby is about 7.5 pounds but it has a 26" barrel; still balances well.
The 300 Win mag is about 7.5 pounds to, with 24" barrel and good balance.
I kinda like the less recoil from the 270 win. and lighter weight. That said, I like the reach of the 270 Weatherby and I like the power of the 300 win mag. Ballistically, they are all within about 12 in" at 500 yards.
Thoughts?
Probably the 270 Win for steep uphill downhill shots. Bad place for a recoil cut. Or which rifle you shoot the best.
im not an expert but a .270 especially with 150 or 160 partition is enough gun fot your purpose especially if you re going with a guide or not alone.
i dont think shooting a grizzly over 150-200 yards is a good idea but again im not an expert and some will chime you more details and better tips.
All 3 will do the job quite easily but if it were me, i'd go with the 270 win and run 150gr or 160 gr Nosler Partitions. The 150gr NP's have worked incredibly well for me over the years and that is my round of choice, even for moose.
As for shooting grizzly, I don't know if i'd shoot out to 200 yards, it would depend on a couple of things before I made that decision.
The 270 Winchester with 130 gr Nosler Partition or Barnes TTXS would be my choice for your hunt.
I'd grab the 270 but any of them will work.
If you had to choose a sheep gun in grizz country would you shoot the 270 WCF with 150gr at 2900; the 270 Weatherby 150gr at 3200 or the 300 win mag with 180gr at 3050fps? All shoot Partitions or TSX pretty well.
I have guns in the above cartridges and I am just curious what you might choose and why?
Sheep would be under 400 yards 90% of the time; Grizz, between 15 yards and 150 yards with maybe a longer shot under the right conditions.
YES!!! to the .270 Win. on both. I've used the .270 for years here & know what it can do. Always with 150 gr. Partitions tho. Tho I've never personally taken a grizzly with it, my former partner did - 1 or 2 times as I recall. These were in the Brooks Range and he had no problem. I would not want a range of more than about 100 yards but otherwise, I'd do it. My .270 Win. gives me 2930 fps with a 150 Partition and I have complete confidence in the rifle's capability. THe only thing I might change is the bullet. Knowing the performance of NorthFork bullets, I could very well lean towards their 150 gr. .27 cal. bullet. Works as good or better than the PArtition and is more accurate than the Partiton. As a side note, I'm taking my .270 WSM into the Brooks this Sat. & it's loaded with a 150 NorthFork. No way would I want a 130 gr. .27 cal. bullet on a grizzly but that's me. Just place your shot properly. I've never been a fan of the Weatherby mags. Most, if not all are too overbore IMHO.
Bear in Fairbanks
I'd take the .270 Win, unless bear was definately on the menu. Then I'd take the .300. Any of the 3 would do all round - just shading the bets....
I'd take the .270 Win, unless bear was definately on the menu. Then I'd take the .300. Any of the 3 would do all round - just shading the bets....
I've never been a fan of the Weatherby mags. Most, if not all are too overbore IMHO.
Bear in Fairbanks [/quote]
I don't think that any of the Weatherby cartridges is overbore with today's powders. The only possible argument that could me raised, though probably not proven, would be the .30/378. Certainly noen of the others are and especially the .270 Weatherby which is a truely wonderful cartridge for mountain hunting. Teh factory velocities were easily achieved using the powders of 15 to 20 years back, let alone what is available now.
John
If your packing out fresh meat on your back in Grizz country take the 300 magnum.
My sheep gun is now a 8mm Remington Magnum just due to bear, Id use the 300 Mag.
If your packing out fresh meat on your back in Grizz country take the 300 magnum.
Thank you ! +1
maybe I've been lulled to sleep, but I lose not a wink of it with the thought of a bloody backpack upon me and only armed with a 7mm-08, figure if I can keep my head and put a 140 TSX in a good spot I might be okay.
course I have taken my .338 sheep hunting before too, and reckon if I had to use it on a problem bear would rather have it instead.
but please don't misconstrue those thoughts as me looking down my nose at guys that choose a .30 cal or up for the same situation.
like boots, we have to find the chambering that makes us as an individual comfortable, not the size and brand your pard wears
sides at the end of the day, I think I'd make a pretty nice pile of bear scat!
AGW agreed on the 270 Weatherby being an excellent choice for a mountain rifle particularly in the hands of one that has practiced at ranges it's capable of sending a bullet downrange with energy to spare.
had a client take a very nice ram at an honest 400 yards, it was that or there wouldn't be a shot, I was a bit anxious about it, but he'd practiced with the rifle and during sight in at base camp had demonstrated very good proficiency with his setup.
he got er done, though I think it had helped the year before he'd wounded a ram and it made him diligent on his practice upon returning home. I was impressed with what it did that day.
maybe I've been lulled to sleep, but I lose not a wink of it with the thought of a bloody backpack upon me and only armed with a 7mm-08, figure if I can keep my head and put a 140 TSX in a good spot I might be okay.
Why not just stoke the little 7/08 with 175's or similar except when you are up high?
used to do that very thing with the 7 mag that was my sheep rifle.
and then just got over it (for me) today's bullet technology really give a fella an edge imo.
but the old saw still trumps all
bullet placement
bullet placement
bullet placement
use enough gun
(how much is enough is certainly open to debate, the first 3 aren't)
Carry whichever one of the 3 you feel most comfortable with and pack a good sidearm in 45 Colt.
I'd grab the 270 but any of them will work.
Slamo dunk me to!
Dober
used to do that very thing with the 7 mag that was my sheep rifle.
and then just got over it (for me) today's bullet technology really give a fella an edge imo.
but the old saw still trumps all
bullet placement
bullet placement
bullet placement
use enough gun
(how much is enough is certainly open to debate, the first 3 aren't)
True enough bud, but no matter what you put in it, it's still a 7-08.................when you oughtta have had a 308.
I don't see anything to worry about with any of them. I'd take the most familiar/comfortable.
270 all the way, lighter weight will be great!
I shot both a Sheep abnd Griz with .300 Win Mag, 180 gr trophy bonded loads, Fed Prem ammo - both were one shot kills.
30-06 Springfield, in a light 24 inch barreled rifle. Enough energy and flat enough trajectory for both.
The 270's will do everything the 300's will do except shoot bigger heavier bullets and stop more dangerous game at short range. If I were carrying my life and my family's future in my hands, I'd be carrying the 300.
Just sayin'
It's a no brainer you take the one you shoot best.
The 270's will do everything the 300's will do except shoot bigger heavier bullets and stop more dangerous game at short range. If I were carrying my life and my family's future in my hands, I'd be carrying the 300.
Just sayin'
stopping power a 300 win mag at close range ???!!!
i think my 338 rum 700 bdl with 250gr partitions would get it done or my 358norma
If your packing out fresh meat on your back in Grizz country take the 300 magnum.
Take a Hoyt instead...
used to do that very thing with the 7 mag that was my sheep rifle.
and then just got over it (for me) today's bullet technology really give a fella an edge imo.
but the old saw still trumps all
bullet placement
bullet placement
bullet placement
use enough gun
(how much is enough is certainly open to debate, the first 3 aren't)
Agreed.
In other words, take the rifle you are most comfortable with and shoot the best. If you are comfortable and shoot them all well, no reason not to take the 300 WM.
CUZ I am recoil sensitive and don't like carrying heavy rifles, I would take the .270 with the TSX. Ideal for sheep and more than adequate with that bullet for grizzly.
Carry whichever one of the 3 you feel most comfortable with and pack a good sidearm in 45 Colt.
In sheep country, a sidearm's gonna get real heavy real quick. It's kinda pointless to save a half-pound of rifle weight then strap on 2-3 lbs of handgun.
If 'twere me, I'd take the .300 if by myself--it may or may not make a difference on a grizzly, but I'd feel better with a bigger gun. .270 if guided or with a partner.
The 270's will do everything the 300's will do except shoot bigger heavier bullets and stop more dangerous game at short range. If I were carrying my life and my family's future in my hands, I'd be carrying the 300.
Just sayin'
stopping power a 300 win mag at close range ???!!!
When on my Kodiak brown bear hunt, guide's backup gun was a .300 win mag, mine was of Weatherby flavor.
The backup wasn't needed after a good first serving of 200 gr partition.
I'll be chasing sheep and grizz in 2 weeks and will be using my 270 and 150gr NP's for both, should the opportunity present itself.
Bet it will - fingers crossed for you.
my girlfriend will use a 270 with nosler partition for moose, caribou and maybe a grizzly for our fall hunting ... but nothing new at least in yukon.
I'll be chasing sheep and grizz in 2 weeks and will be using my 270 and 150gr NP's for both, should the opportunity present itself.
wish you good success and good time.
That is too much gun. There is a balance needed among velocity, energy and accurate bullet placement with the right bullet.
Carry whichever one of the 3 you feel most comfortable with and pack a good sidearm in 45 Colt.
??!!
Maybe borrow a 308 or a 7/08. Or use the 270.
Carry whichever one of the 3 you feel most comfortable with and pack a good sidearm in 45 Colt.
??!!
Maybe borrow a 308 or a 7/08. Or use the 270.
Amazing how many people want to prove they have no idea what they are talking about.
Well maybe so, but if you're nice you'll overlook those habits of mine.
Well maybe so, but if you're nice you'll overlook those habits of mine.
+1
Only until I see a 45 on his hip on a sheep mountain... Then I would likely be inclined to just shoot him to get him out of his misery... and insanity. Would not go near the corpse though just in case it was contagious...
Well its good and humane to use enough gun. You only have to chase a sheep or bear a few times to know that punching holes in a target doesnt translate to killing game. Take a heavy penetrating bullet or wide wound channel whenever you can. Any of the guns would work but the 300 is the safest bet. Like the poster said the 308 is a good caliber......
"You only have to chase a sheep or bear a few times to know that punching holes in a target doesnt translate to killing game."
Thinking I do not agree with that at all...
I have never punched a hole in a sheep that did not die right there, even with mediocre bullets and some in modest sizes. My first sheep died due to 6mm holes...
And bears are equally prone to expiring with decent bullet placement though it may take a tad more time. I did fail to recover a hard hit black bear, but that was out of a very large number of them. Enough I cannot give an accurate count...
And the black bear I failed to recover was shot with a 300WM...
Sanity check.
The two factors that most people weight most heavily, whether intentional or not seem to be proximity to home/ availability o hunt and proximity o bears.
The further one travels from home- or the less frequently the particular hunt is available- the more people want a "bigger gun" and damn if I haven't read David petzal and a bunch of the others van zwoll etc all say the same thing- only dish it out as advice- bring a bigger gun so you can take that last ditch shot if that's all you get. What a horrible idea. When the chips are down you want the gun you think about the least. Period. The one you forget is in your hands until it isn't anymore at which point your arms feel weird. Bring that rifle. I you haven't got one, you need to elevate the bar as far as your standard of living and quality of life- come in out of the cold and get a rifle that really works. That's the gun you want if your going to take a Hail Mary- which is silly.
Proximity to bears- no freaking way is that any kind of excuse to punish yourself with a rifle that makes you take notice of its presence. Or god forbid strapping a sidearm to your hip on a sheep hunt. Save the sidearm for those long mornings in a tower stand while you wait for a whitetail buck in your price range to show up. Or while you ride around in the safari buggy looking for oryx and gemsbok in Crawford Texas what have you.
Loads of good advice so far - just take the rifle you are most comfortable shooting - any one of your battery will serve your needs.
Sanity check.
The two factors that most people weight most heavily, whether intentional or not seem to be proximity to home/ availability o hunt and proximity o bears.
The further one travels from home- or the less frequently the particular hunt is available- the more people want a "bigger gun" and damn if I haven't read David petzal and a bunch of the others van zwoll etc all say the same thing- only dish it out as advice- bring a bigger gun so you can take that last ditch shot if that's all you get. What a horrible idea. When the chips are down you want the gun you think about the least. Period. The one you forget is in your hands until it isn't anymore at which point your arms feel weird. Bring that rifle. I you haven't got one, you need to elevate the bar as far as your standard of living and quality of life- come in out of the cold and get a rifle that really works. That's the gun you want if your going to take a Hail Mary- which is silly.
Proximity to bears- no freaking way is that any kind of excuse to punish yourself with a rifle that makes you take notice of its presence. Or god forbid strapping a sidearm to your hip on a sheep hunt. Save the sidearm for those long mornings in a tower stand while you wait for a whitetail buck in your price range to show up. Or while you ride around in the safari buggy looking for oryx and gemsbok in Crawford Texas what have you.
That should be a sticky on the AK Forum...
I built a 6lb 416 Taylor just for sheep hunting in bear country. I can lob 400gr bullets as far as I feel comfortable shooting, and bears are of no consequence.
There always has to be a comedian...
Sanity check.
The two factors that most people weight most heavily, whether intentional or not seem to be proximity to home/ availability o hunt and proximity o bears.
The further one travels from home- or the less frequently the particular hunt is available- the more people want a "bigger gun" and damn if I haven't read David petzal and a bunch of the others van zwoll etc all say the same thing- only dish it out as advice- bring a bigger gun so you can take that last ditch shot if that's all you get. What a horrible idea. When the chips are down you want the gun you think about the least. Period. The one you forget is in your hands until it isn't anymore at which point your arms feel weird. Bring that rifle. I you haven't got one, you need to elevate the bar as far as your standard of living and quality of life- come in out of the cold and get a rifle that really works. That's the gun you want if your going to take a Hail Mary- which is silly.
Proximity to bears- no freaking way is that any kind of excuse to punish yourself with a rifle that makes you take notice of its presence. Or god forbid strapping a sidearm to your hip on a sheep hunt. Save the sidearm for those long mornings in a tower stand while you wait for a whitetail buck in your price range to show up. Or while you ride around in the safari buggy looking for oryx and gemsbok in Crawford Texas what have you.
That should be a sticky on the AK Forum...
agreed, danged good advice from my perspective and experiences
plenty of guys that do it different
know more than a few Alaskans that like a sidearm on their hip when hunting.
but not for me in high country, no thankee, not gonna take a kiddie toothbrush that I sawed the handle down, the lightest stove I could find.....
and then add two lbs. of iron on my hip.
different strokes for different folks
but I've seen some strange things in the mountains
one of the most memorable was a guy donating his wool pants to the rocks and finishing his hunt in his polypro longhandles
hard to understand why folks are so goofy about going light weight to sheep hunt
until you've carried a few sheep back with you.
then sawing the handle off a kiddie toothbrush and buying a new jacket for another $200 cause it's 2 oz. lighter than the one you had makes nine kinds of sense.
Yeah, the lightweight thing makes a lot more sense after the point is driven home by pain over a long time span. Some folks learn faster than others, and sometimes we call that pain tolerance - other times we call it stupidity.
That said, a 4lb rifle that you can't shoot or a 4 oz rain coat that isn't waterproof doesn't do much good.
175rltw, I don't have anything to add to that, so I'll just say "+1".
You guys do know this thread is 3 years old right?
What are you some friggin' Peace Keeper or something? Wading into a perfectly good ridiculing session and trying to stop it is for sissies!
You are probably right.
Sell everything and get a 280AI. It is the only thing that can do the job. Settle for no more than 1/4" groups at 100, and use only armor piercing bullets. If it can't shoot through a mid-80's GM small block, you'll never be able to kill a sheep with it. Sheep and bears were the original inspiration behind kevlar. Make sure to top it with a 4lb scope with at least 20 power and no more than 1" of eye relief, and get one of those rifle slings with the shooting sticks built in. Don't forget your cough silencer, and be sure to get your rifle bore sighted by a professional at Cabelas right before your hunt.
No butt out tool CWH?
He actually had a custom made butt-out tool with a toothbrush on the other end to reduce weight. Says he only brushes his teeth for the first couple days anyway!
"Butt out, tool" is an appropriate response when dealing with Art. And me.
As for the actual device, I'd only consider one for sheep hunting if it was made from Titanium. Or if it was a multi-purpose item. Like Butt-Out tool/Mountain house spork.
Thinking we were both typing there...
Who brushes their teeth on a sheep hunt?
Haha market that SOB!!! Butt out tooth brush but paint camo so it's sneaky and won't scare away the game ;(
Cannot begin to express my fear in having come to the same basic multi-dysfunctional conclusion as Chris!
Sad thing is there would be a market...
I'm as scared as you are, and for the same reasons!
I'm liking the tactical butt-out toothbrush idea, but don't want to discuss it here, for patent infringement reasons.
Also, Luke, don't you owe us a bunch of pictures?
I've got a long handles spoon on the other end of my butt out tool. Works great for mountain house and mre's. I just bring one if those tiny litltle brush ups for my teeth/ morale on day 3. Anyway- think there's any market for that? You each can give me 5$ for the schematic and call it good.
How about I just give you back a shot of your own good whisky?
Also, Luke, don't you owe us a bunch of pictures?
HAHA...I suppose I should... since I haven't posted anything really from any of my 2014 trips or a lot for 2013 for that matter....but I enjoy seeing other pics just as much and I know what I get so thats not as interesting anyways.
Maybe I will get around to do. The animal count was a bit lower than the 15-20 average I had been batting the previous 4-5 years but its all good just the same. Getting my dad his 2nd goat was likely the cherry on top of the season for me though.
Sides it wouldn't belong in this thread anyways as most animals were shot with a measly .308 and those don't work on grizzlies
Also, Luke, don't you owe us a bunch of pictures?
HAHA...I suppose I should... since I haven't posted anything really from any of my 2014 trips or a lot for 2013 for that matter....but I enjoy seeing other pics just as much and I know what I get so thats not as interesting anyways.
Maybe I will get around to do. The animal count was a bit lower than the 15-20 average I had been batting the previous 4-5 years but its all good just the same. Getting my dad his 2nd goat was likely the cherry on top of the season for me though.
Sides it wouldn't belong in this thread anyways as most animals were shot with a measly .308 and those don't work on grizzlies
Yup, Riley proved you need the extra case capacity of the 25-06 to kill effectively, especially on brown bears.
Exactly..... .308 is too slow and the quarter bore 06 well your son is lucky to be alive!!! Still need to get up with him and go mini boating sometime, rode up the creek he actually killed that bear on this past July....scared a good size boar off one of the gravel bears about 7 miles up that he was taking a good snooze on....good stuff for sure and lots of bear up there no doubt.
As a kid I had an "encounter" on that same river with a sleeping brown bear. It has always been a "sleeper!"
Find out when he gets it fixed and sign on quick! He is hard on it!
Jack said the best ay t kill a Grizzly is to go sheep hunting!
I used a 270 build by redneck setup for 150 mrx's did the job well, also had a grizz tag, river I needed to cross was to high to get to the unit for grizz but felt
Comfortable with my 270 for interior griz.
Great hunt enjoy it all