Both these bullet have similiar design , Swifts are a bit more money. Is one better than the other?

I have gotten fine results with both. The Swifts tend to retain more weight but expand wider, so overall penetration might go to the AB's, though I haven't tested them side-by-side. (I also tend to think deep penetration is perhaps the most overrated characteristic for most hunting bullets these days anyway.)

The Swift's jacket is pure copper, while the Nosler's is gilding metal, so in some bores (not all) the Swift tends to foul a little more.

The 180 AB's are really perking in my 300 WSm and I think I'll give them a whirl on elk next year.

Not that I expect less than good results

Hmm I don't know I predict it'll be more likey in your Middle Sky 06...

Dober

I predict they will kill an elk!

I'd like to hear from anybody else who has shot both AB's and Scirocco's as far as accuracy results. I've had my own experiences with both but am interested in other's results.

Deep penetration was my deal since '92 when I started using the X bullet, recovered very few bullets over the years, most were .358 bullets and mostly on quartering shots on moose where they would be found under the shoulder blade or sometimes just through it. Started using Accubonds this past year, mostly for their ranging ability, high BC, in a 200gr 30 cal and 250gr in a 9.3. The X bullet mostly passes through but does it do maximum damage on its trip through the animal, so I changed to find out. The 9.3 cal/250gr passed through the moose and I did not get a chance with the 3006 this season. I was looking for experiences with both , but for years Swifts in my area were/are uncommon.

I have posted these previously...anyway, 30 cal. 180 Scirocco 1, 3350mv (300RUM), 450 yard impact on an elk....DRT. Traveled almost the entire length of the bull.








From what I gather, the II's are better than the I's, so I would guess our resident guru JB is correct....it will deck an elk.

Tony

From what I've seen posted here and elsewhere that looks like a little larger frontal area than what an Accubond would give.

Nice "Schroom!"

John,

I am currently shooting the Scirocco's (I) in :

1) 150 in a 280 and the 7STW...in the STW I use RL25, over 3350, excellent accuracy. Loaded the 150SS for a pards 7Rem and it also shot very well with RL25. Great velocity and accuracy with that combo.

2) 165 in both a 300Win and 300WSM...both shoot into 1/2" groups...both are also customs. One has a Pederson the other Pac-Nor. I no longer shoot the 300Win load as I switched to the 180 Partition in the Winnie.

The 300WSM however pops them out at 3100 and absolutely loves them.

3) 180SS in my 300RUM....the pics I posted show the results. You should see the groups that thing shoots with the 180's. Pure factory SS Remmie. Only thing I did was toss the tupperware and bed it into an HS Precicion stock and tweak the trigger.

I have shot the ABs in 30cal 200, 180, 165 and 150, all shot great. Have a real good 150AB load for my 300WSM, but as I indicated, the 165SS shoots so well, I just use that. Truth be told, my 300WSM will shoot stones into tiny little clusters......

Back to my 300RUM, I now exclusively shoot the 200AB (Retumbo) out of it. It will hold 1.25" all day long at 300 yards. I am scared to shoot the thing any more than I have to because I don't think I could find a custom BBL that will shoot as well as the factory Remmie tube it wears.

Had a difficult time however getting the 110AB (.257) to shoot out of my 257 ROY (Vanguard Sub-MOA). After much fussing and trips to the range, I coaxed sub 1" out of the 110 using RL25 and experimenting with the seating depth. It was not an easy deal by any means. Guess I was too pizzed (or dumb) to give up on them. Reason I didn't give up is because it shoots the 100TSX into tiny groups, so I know the damn thing can shoot.

I load for my brothers 300WIN and it shoots the 165AB extremely well.

Had great results with a 140AB in a 280 and so-so results with a 130AB out of a 270.

Here is my 300RUM with the 200AB load in action (in BC) :


350Yards, dumped it on it's nose, followed by a nice tumble down the mountain



80 yards, pretty much DRT...little weak on the tines, but was 59" wide

Thanks for the info!

The only difference between the Scirocco I and II is how they are heated during the bonding process. The SII is heated so it's harder. Otherwise they are the same bullet, according to the head guy at Swift. This was done because so many people wanted to shoot game bigger than deer with the Scirocco, rather than using the A-Frame, as Swift was recommending.

JB, I'm shooting 150gr Scirocco's in a 7mmSTW. I'm loading H1000, and like hicountry, they are moving along above 3350fps. I've had excellent accuracy with the Scirocco's. On paper, they're printing tight little groups. After having some issues getting them to group early on, I spoke to Bill Huber for a while, make that a long while, but he was helpful. I have had far better accuracy with the Scirocco's than the 140gr Accubonds out of my gun. My Ruger #1 seems to shine (like most 7STW's) with the heavier bullets, on up to 175gr. I recently got my hands on some 160gr NAB seconds, we'll work with those next spring. I'm sure they will shoot just fine too.

I have used the 130 277 Scirocco's. The very first produced gave very good accuracy. Then something happened and I could not get them to shoot well in any of the three 270 Win's in which I tried them. They were the quickest killing bullet of all those presently manufactured and I have tried them all. The 150 7mm's are quite easy to get to shoot well. Both fly flatter than their bc's indicate.

Sorry, but I have posted this before also.

130g NAB vs 130g SII water jug test with 6.5x284 at 15 yards.





Accuracy was very similar in my rifle, <1 MOA out to 300 yards. I think the NAB went through 1 more jug, but that is from memory so may not be correct. Also, I am pretty sure that the SII weighed more when recovered.

The 130 ABs and Scirocco IIs are giving equal accuracy from my 6.5 WSM. No field results with the rifle yet, but I chose the SII for the higher BC and reportedly larger frontal area upon expansion (as seen in kyreloader's post).

RR

I have posted this before as well but this is the reason I will not go to the Swift again. emailed them but they wern't interested. Use the GS Custom bullet now for the "important" stuff.


This was a bullet picked at random to complement a wall display.

Von Gruff.

Did you try H1000 in this test?

Mule Deer

I tried the Scirocco's in my 270 Win. in 2001 with accuracy in the 1.5"-2" groups. I took them hunting that year and shot a deer at less than 100 yards with very little expansion. Following its path it seemed to just pencil though. I understand they have been redesigned since then.

The Accubond has been very accurate for me. The 140g going around an inch or less. No results for me on game yet.

I have tried Swift S-2's in 5 rifles in 7mm and 30 calibers and I could never get them to shoot well. Most of the 5 had match grade barrels.
I have tried AB's in three different rifles and they have all shot them under an inch with min fuss.

Anything can go wrong and does, but pretty unusual to pick just one bullet to dissect and have it turn out to be such so defective. Makes one wonder just how many there are in that box........?

BTW - were those S1" or the newer S11"s..........?

Thanks...................

The 140 7mm AB has been consistently accurate for me in a couple of 7RM's,and the 7mm Dakota at 3375 fps.Ditto also the 150 gr AB in the 30/06.

I have tried the 130 AB in a couple of 270's and they did not want to shoot.

The 7mm 150 SS(both the old and new)have also been very accurate in 7RM and 7mm Dakota.Driven at 3150-3225 from these cartridges, I notice it shoots a full MOA "flatter" to 500 yards than more conventional bullets....I don't know why....

I can't get the 130 SS I or II to shoot in any 270 Win I have tried.

Have not shot anything other than coyotes with the SS,but was surprised that the give nickel-sized exits on these little animals,even under 100 yards,and do not blow them apart which surprised me.....I am more used to seeing coyotes blown up pretty badly from 270's and 130 Partitions.The SS II seemed pretty tough to me.

I have a feeling the 130 270,both AB and SS II,because of their length,might need a faster twist that 1-10 found in most 270's.Just a guess,because I do not have a 9 twist 270,but I can't get either bullet to shoot.

I loaded the 130NAB in a Rem 700 CDL SF 270WSM and it was the best that rifle ever shot. Ditto with a Ruger MKII 270WSM. Off hand I can't remember the powder, may have been RL19, I wasn't loading for max was in more traditional 270 win velocities.

I know I used the 130NAB and RL19 in a 260 77MKII and got exceptional accuracy. I like the way the NAB shoot. They will kill deer dead.

I checked my notes, I used 4831sc for a little over 3000 fps in the 270 wsm. It is all I need for most all of my hunting needs.

FWIW..........

I've tried 150 & 165 Scirocco's in 2 different '06's with less than hoped for results.

In both guns, groups were 1.5-2.5" & not consistent, symmetrical groups at that.

Loading 165 AB's (or Partitions) bring groups to an inch or better & they are consistent & symmetrical.

I've also used the 140 AB in a Rem KS 270 & they are about a one hole grouping.......but I've tried no Scirocco's in that rifle, but it shoots almost everything else well.

MM

They were new Series 2 and put me off swift, especially the lack of response from management.

Von Gruff.

I have had good success with the 210 Scirocco II and the 225 Accubond on my 338-06. Both have demonstrated consistent groups in the .6-.8 range. Not a lot of data points, but enough to feel confident either way. No experience on game yet.

Thanks to everybody who has provided info!

Both have shot just fine for me. I've killed more critters with the Swift, newer and older version. I do believe the Swifts like a little faster twist, which I generally run in aftermarket tubes, but that's just a 'guess'

Steelhead, have you tried the 90 gr 6mm on game yet? That one has been the gold standard in my 6mm Rem. Gotten really spoiled on that one. I have some of the nosler e-tips and some bergers to try yet but that's just experimenting. It would be real hard to beat the 90 gr swift. This is all in regards to the whitetails we have around here, havn't shot anything heavier.

Negative but I have them loaded up and will be going hunting with me next week. Still have a 9.3x57 and a 6.5x54 I need to get bloody also.

Sounds like a tough job...No rest for the wicked I guess.

Good Luck to Ya!

edit to add, reminds me, got a 9X57 here that needs some blood.

I feel the Accubond performs flawless at non-magnum velocitys.

180's in my -06 were extremely accurate and I never recoverd a single one. Meat loss was minimal. The AB's wound channel,entrance and exit's were very similiar to a Partition.

I've seen enough meat damanage with AB's at magnum velocitys that I'd just stick with a partition. Just my 2 cents.

Good reason to weight sort bullets

Thanks for the response.

I also had my one and only horrible experience with the S1's, specifically their 180gr. in my 300RUM on a bull when Swift first put them out. I called Swift to check if they thought the bullet was adequate for elk prior to load development and they said "yes", especially in that weight and cartridge.

Not good........not at all.

Thanks for sharin' your results as well.........

I wish I had a picture of a first generation Scirocco I recovered a few years ago from a whitetail. I put the bullet down while skinning the deer and forgot about it. Came back later and it was gone.

Anyway, and I know it's not all that relevant to discussing the second generation bullet, that thing was flat as a pancake with virtually no bullet shank remaining and was about as wide as a half dollar. I shot this deer from about 15 yards and was in a tripod stand at the time. The shot was right behind the shoulder and I expected to find an exit wound on the other side lower than the entrance considering I was shooting down at it. Instead the bullet didn't exit, but veered almost 90 degrees to the left and upward, ending up under the skin of the deer's right shoulder. It must have flattened out within the first 2 or 3 inches and then, for lack of a better word, it "hydroplaned" up and to the left. I guess shooting them that close with a .300 Wby will do that. What's astonishing to me is that a deer can take a hit like that and still run 50 yards, which this one did.

I couldn't find any pieces big enough to show that I took from that bull with the S1's..........

About as a complete fragmentation of a bullet that I've ever seen.

Bad....very bad.

I gave several hundred of those bullets to a buddy free of charge 'cuz they left me with such a bad experience. He uses them on deer out of his 300RUM.

Makes a guy pretty wary, even though the S11's might be the bullet of a lifetime. I won't be finding out...........

This a 6mm 90gr SSII I pulled out of a whitetail shoulder just this afternoon. This shot entered in front of the rear leg and stopped in the off side shoulder. Muzzle velocity was 3220 and that shot was 160yds. It measures about .510" at its widest point and weighs 81.6gr. Shot 6 whitetails and this was the only one that didn't exit. I (personally) like the SSII.

I have not tried the SSIIs, but I could not get a single one of the original Sciroccos to fly worth a damm in 6mm, .277, or .308. The only Accubonds I've used are 150 gr. .308 and they shoot exceptionally well......

Where you postin' those buck pics at Brad?

Brad, good to see what SSII looks like. I've used my 6mm on 14 of them and havn't got to see one until your post.

kyteloader,
From your water jug tests, it looks like the Scirocco may have a slight edge in both a larger mushroom, and weight retention.

My rifle likes Accubonds, but I may need to try out the accuracy in some Scirocco's.

Pretty much a consistent theme in all of the recovery pics I have seen with ABs and SSs is that the SS seems to have a larger frontal area than the AB.

That would seem to imply that the AB would (theoretically anyway) penetrate further than the SS.

Frankly I wouldn't hesitate (and haven't) to point them at anything without the utmost confidence in the outcome.

Tony