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I recently bought a T/C venture in 6.5x284 Norma and I need some dies. I usually by Lee dies and I refuse to buy Chinese RCBS. I have it narrowed down to the following dies and was wondering if people here could give some feedback to them in the calibers you load for.


Graf & Sons - REDDING 6.5MM/284 WIN FL SET 2-DIE SERIES B

Graf & Sons - FORSTER 6.5MMx284 WIN FL SIZER & BR SEATER SET


thanks for the feedback.;)
I load about twenty or twenty-five calibers, rifle and handgun and probably half my dies are Redding. Any time I buy new dies now I buy Redding. I like them better than any others I've used.
Can't go wrong with either. Redding's customer service is great. Never had to use the other. Most of my dies are Redding. Several of my other tools are Forster.

Very happy with both.
Redding & Redding & Redding & ............................ing

LC
Believe your money is well spent on Redding.
Been an RCBS man since 1978, and always well satisfied. But, my last die set was a Redding .223 deluxe set, with both FL and neck sizer dies. I am impressed with the quality, and will buy Redding in the future.
I probably reload for as many differant firearms as cra1948, and the last 12-16 die sets I have had made by CH-4D. Excellent quality, and ya know that they are made in the U.S.A.
Twink
Redding.


Travis
Lachmiller...
Redding are good dies.

For my 6.5-284, I use a Lee neck sizing collet die and have a Redding body die to use when the case gets tight to chamber. I use a Wilson seater, cut with the chamber reamer. Then, I check concentricity with a Sinclair tool, using a Tru Tool to correct any runout over .002". Most don't need fixing.

This rifle, a custom pre-64 M-70 with Bordens Bumps, Jewell trigger and 26" Kreiger #4, shoots teens and twos at a hundred and 4 1/2" at 600 with Z5 3.5-18x44 BT. I shoot 140 gr. Bergers at 3,000 fps with RL-17.

DF
Originally Posted by dmsbandit
I recently bought a T/C venture in 6.5x284 Norma and I need some dies. I usually by Lee dies and I refuse to buy Chinese RCBS. I have it narrowed down to the following dies and was wondering if people here could give some feedback to them in the calibers you load for.


Graf & Sons - REDDING 6.5MM/284 WIN FL SET 2-DIE SERIES B

Graf & Sons - FORSTER 6.5MMx284 WIN FL SIZER & BR SEATER SET


thanks for the feedback.;)

When did RCBS start making their dies in China?

DF
Reddings are great but so is the Forester BR seater. Eabco.com usually has Reddings for a good price.
Thanks for the info fellas.

dirtfarmer,
I would like to know where you found 6.5x284 anything from Lee. I don't see that caliber listed anywhere in thier inventory.
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by dmsbandit
I recently bought a T/C venture in 6.5x284 Norma and I need some dies. I usually by Lee dies and I refuse to buy Chinese RCBS. I have it narrowed down to the following dies and was wondering if people here could give some feedback to them in the calibers you load for.


Graf & Sons - REDDING 6.5MM/284 WIN FL SET 2-DIE SERIES B

Graf & Sons - FORSTER 6.5MMx284 WIN FL SIZER & BR SEATER SET


thanks for the feedback.;)

When did RCBS start making their dies in China?

DF


Please say this isn't so...
Originally Posted by dmsbandit
I recently bought a T/C venture in 6.5x284 Norma and I need some dies. I usually by Lee dies and I refuse to buy Chinese RCBS. I have it narrowed down to the following dies and was wondering if people here could give some feedback to them in the calibers you load for.


Graf & Sons - REDDING 6.5MM/284 WIN FL SET 2-DIE SERIES B

Graf & Sons - FORSTER 6.5MMx284 WIN FL SIZER & BR SEATER SET


thanks for the feedback.;)


Only the electric parts and some castings are made in China. Everything else including dies are made about an hour away from me in Oroville California. Bear
I see Thanks
Originally Posted by dmsbandit
Thanks for the info fellas.

dirtfarmer,
I would like to know where you found 6.5x284 anything from Lee. I don't see that caliber listed anywhere in thier inventory.

Being you mention it, I must have sent a case for a custom neck sizing collet die. Been a while, so I can't specifically remember. If not listed, then that's what happened.

The mandrel type neck sizer along with a Redding body die is an nice combo. I wanted to avoid the expander being dragged back thru the case neck. There are other ways to do that.

DF

The only Lee die for the 6.5-284 that I can find listed is a factory crimp die.

Originally Posted by BullShooter
So, remove about 0.04 inches from the base end of the collet part of the die, and it should be able to neck-size the 6.5-284 just fine.

I just checked my own 6.5x55 collet die, and a sample 284 case fits within the 6.5x55 collet without contacting the cartridge body.

If the unmodified 6.5x55 collet die is used on a 6.5-284 case, it should size all of the neck except a 0.04" bit at the neck base. This is likely not a problem. Some reloaders advocate partial neck sizing as a method of centering the cartridge in the neck of the chamber.

If the die is modified with removal of metal from the collet, it might be wise to remove the stamping that identifies it as a 6.5x55 die. Use of the modified die with a 6.5x55 case might result in some disappointment.

Oops.

I failed to account for the shoulder diameter of the 6.5-284 case vs the shoulder diameter reamed into the 6.5x55 collet.

If the 6.5x55 collet die is used to neck size a 6.5-284 case, the shoulder of the 6.5-284 case is likely to mushroom. The effect will be worsened if the collet is shortened as I described above.

An unmodified 6.5x55 collet can work with the 6.5-284 case if a spacer is put between the shell holder and the bottom opening of the collet. A simple spacer can be a washer with an opening large enough for the case body. The washer-spacer should be about 0.025-0.030" thick.

The result is that about 0.07 of the case neck will be unsized, rather than the 0.04" described above.

--Bob
A thumbs up on theCH-4D dies. I have die sets from Lee, RCBS, Redding, Herters, Pacific, Hornady. And some I'm not even sure of. Most of my RCBS dies are older ones and I have been leaning away from some of the Lee sets I have. I have had to order repair parts from CH and they were great to do business with and the products were priced well and well made. Will most surely purchase more from them in the future.
Redding FL rifle dies do not have an air bleed hole like the RCBS dies do and are more likely to dent shoulders.

In fact that happened to me recently when I reached for some .300 Win. Mag. die and I have both Redding and RCBS. The Redding Fl die dented the shoulder on the first pass.

Most of the newer dies I have are RCBS. I used Lyman since 1953 and got my first RCBS press in the early 60's. I have a RCBS A2 and a Supreme.

I called Redding a few years ago and they were rude.
probably loaded in excess of 5000 .300Win mag rounds on Redding FL bushing and regular FL dies and never had a dented shoulder. Dont know what your doing but I doubt the problem is with the dies.

lefty C
Originally Posted by dmsbandit
I recently bought a T/C venture in 6.5x284 Norma and I need some dies. I usually by Lee dies and I refuse to buy Chinese RCBS. I have it narrowed down to the following dies and was wondering if people here could give some feedback to them in the calibers you load for.


RCBS dies - now made in China? I usually buy Hornady, but will CERTAINLY not consider RCBS if this is true.
I found this on the net.

"Quote:
At one time about a year ago RCBS did experiment with having iron castings made in China. After a short period of time they discontinued this. My understanding is all of their iron casting is again done in America.

This is correct. "
RCBS Dies are machined from tool steel. They tried doing some iron casting (presses, powder throwers etc.) in China its my understanding they no longer do that. The dies were never made in China. RCBS has some of the best customer service I have ever dealt with!
Originally Posted by Bogtrotter
RCBS Dies are machined from tool steel. They tried doing some iron casting (presses, powder throwers etc.) in China its my understanding they no longer do that. The dies were never made in China. RCBS has some of the best customer service I have ever dealt with!

+1 on their CS.

DF
Originally Posted by Savage_99
Redding FL rifle dies do not have an air bleed hole like the RCBS dies do and are more likely to dent shoulders.

Sounds like too much lube. If lube is sparingly applied, shoulders shouldn't end up dented.

DF
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Savage_99
Redding FL rifle dies do not have an air bleed hole like the RCBS dies do and are more likely to dent shoulders.

Sounds like too much lube. If lube is sparingly applied, shoulders shouldn't end up dented.

DF


Then why does RCBS put in air bleed holes in their FL dies?

Seems to me that it's a borderline situation where just enough lube will get by and just not enough will result in a stuck case and of course too much will dent.

Perhaps air is a factor as well?

I have been lubing and FL cases since 1953 and my old Lyman Eze Loader press uses FL dies with no air bleed hole as well. I have not used that press for FL sizing since I got the RCBS A2 in the 1960's. I FL size every rifle case I load and none of them dent. Too much lube with a RCBS die might result in dents as well if air did not play a roll. I never get dents with RCBS dies.



Originally Posted by Savage_99
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Savage_99
Redding FL rifle dies do not have an air bleed hole like the RCBS dies do and are more likely to dent shoulders.

Sounds like too much lube. If lube is sparingly applied, shoulders shouldn't end up dented.

DF


Then why does RCBS put in air bleed holes in their FL dies?

Seems to me that it's a borderline situation where just enough lube will get by and just not enough will result in a stuck case and of course too much will dent.

Perhaps air is a factor as well?

I have been lubing and FL cases since 1953 and my old Lyman Eze Loader press uses FL dies with no air bleed hole as well. I have not used that press for FL sizing since I got the RCBS A2 in the 1960's. I FL size every rifle case I load and none of them dent. Too much lube with a RCBS die might result in dents as well if air did not play a roll. I never get dents with RCBS dies.


I never get dents with any dies and I have more than 75 sets of REDDING dies... I have experienced dents from over-lubed cases years ago when I was a novice reloader... But my reloading has gotten noticably better since I discovered Imperial Sizing Die Wax about 25 yrs ago. If fact it has worked so well, that I threw away all my old RCBS lubricant AND my RCBS Lube pad... smile (With NO regrets, I might add...) grin

GH
Originally Posted by Savage_99
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Savage_99
Redding FL rifle dies do not have an air bleed hole like the RCBS dies do and are more likely to dent shoulders.

Sounds like too much lube. If lube is sparingly applied, shoulders shouldn't end up dented.

DF


Then why does RCBS put in air bleed holes in their FL dies?


So people using too much case lube won't mash dents in the shoulders... blush

DF
Originally Posted by Grasshopper
Originally Posted by Savage_99
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Savage_99
Redding FL rifle dies do not have an air bleed hole like the RCBS dies do and are more likely to dent shoulders.

Sounds like too much lube. If lube is sparingly applied, shoulders shouldn't end up dented.

DF


Then why does RCBS put in air bleed holes in their FL dies?

Seems to me that it's a borderline situation where just enough lube will get by and just not enough will result in a stuck case and of course too much will dent.

Perhaps air is a factor as well?

I have been lubing and FL cases since 1953 and my old Lyman Eze Loader press uses FL dies with no air bleed hole as well. I have not used that press for FL sizing since I got the RCBS A2 in the 1960's. I FL size every rifle case I load and none of them dent. Too much lube with a RCBS die might result in dents as well if air did not play a roll. I never get dents with RCBS dies.


I never get dents with any dies and I have more than 75 sets of REDDING dies... I have experienced dents from over-lubed cases years ago when I was a novice reloader... But my reloading has gotten noticably better since I discovered Imperial Sizing Die Wax about 25 yrs ago. If fact it has worked so well, that I threw away all my old RCBS lubricant AND my RCBS Lube pad... smile (With NO regrets, I might add...) grin

GH

+1

My experience and solution, exactly.

DF
I still haven't bought dies for the 6.5x284 venture you found for me either. Let me know when you decide what to go with. I think the expander ball stays centered better on reddings but I like the air bleed hole and customer service on the RCBS dies.

My new hornady 6.5 creedmoor dies actually aren't too bad. They came with an extra amax seater that seats vld's well without the tip bottoming out in the seater stem. The expander ball stem is threaded a bit now do it doesn't slip so easy and the hornady lock rings are the best. Plus I sent in the rebate and got a free box of bullets worth almost what the dies cost.

Bb
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