Once upon a time, Browning's 7 1/2 lb .375 was considered a very light rifle for such a cartridge. Then, last year, I noticed the Sako 85 was listed at only 7 lbs - even in .375 H&H. Now, I see the new Browning X in .375 H&H is listed at what I would call a "very light" 6 lbs 13 ounces.

I know that good stock design, materials and well designed recoil pads can go along way to mitigating the negative effects of recoil. But, with regards to a cartridge like the .375, I can't help but wonder - with these rifles will it be enough to counteract the lower weight?

In Northern B.C. with it's steep vertical landscape, a light rifle with such "oomph" would certainly not be out of place, especially when hunting grizzlies and moose.

I just picked a CZ 550 Safari Classic, for the weight and bulk to the stock. With a Leupold VX2 2x7 it's almost 11 pounds and you can tell it is a man sized rifle when you pick it up. I do not plan on carrying it up and down mountains or hill, and just like shooting larger calibers so the weight will be a benefit from recoil control standpoint.

Brian: I have a 375 on a pre-64 M70 action with a 24" kreiger;stock is a Brown Precision,and with Leup base and rings,and 4X scope it weighs about 8.25 lbs. You would not likely find it tough to carry,or to shoot as the Brown stock is very straight,and "gives" just a hair when fired. It does recoil a bit,but you'd never notice it while shooting at game. But I personally would not want a 6# 375

I find it less jarring than a buddies 340 Weatherby.

You would find mine a satisfactory rifle for BC, I think...

Brian,

Here is a recoil calculator. http://www.biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=%2frecoilcalc.ascx

Personally I draw the line with my 375 Taylor with a 260 accubond going 2775 with an 8 lb rifle. 42 ft/lbs of recoil. Can't imagine shooting a full load in a 375 H and H in anything lighter.

Brian .... You're very right about a proper stock going a long way to help control recoil. I shoot a Remington 700 custom (sort of) in 375 Chatfield-Taylor with 21" bbl. It only weighs 8.5lb scoped, but is fairly easy to shoot given the big butt end and the limbsaver. That old B&C stock sure is ugly, but I wouldn't trade it for any other for that particular rifle.


The top pad is the Limbsaver from the 375/338 and the bottom came off a Browning A-Bolt in 375H&H. Middle pad is a standard Rem pad. BTW ... That A-Bolt was VERY nasty to shoot.

Probably one of the best ways to get a LW 375 is just to buy one of those 700 SPSs in 375H&H, cut back the bbl to 22", get her tuned up and add a McMillan.

AZ,

I usually use the "Beartooth Bullets" "Recoil Calculator" to get my figures - but, thanks for the additional link. Here's the thing.

I already shoot a light 7mm STW - according to the calculator - it recoils at about 36 ft.lbs and at 17fps.

I want to get the new Browning Ti in .300WSM. According to the calculator - it'll recoil at about 40 ft.lbs at 20fps.

In the 375 a really lightweight (8 lbs all up) will recoil at about 46/19. A still lighter than average (9 lb) 375 package will recoil at about 41/17. A 10 lb package at about 37/15, and the common CZ type 375 weighs about 11 lbs all up and recoils at about 34/14.

Few would think it, but the calculator shows that the "average weight" 7mm STW can easily recoil similarly to the "average weight" 375H&H - due to the fact that most .375's weigh a few pounds more than most of the lightweight magnums.

Based on my own shoulder's computations - I'm of the opinion that a few lbs either way in total ft.lbs of recoil isn't nearly as noticeable as the perceived difference of the SPEED of the recoil in fps. My own shoulder, seems to object to the speed of recoil - more than the total amount of recoil.

It's why (with what I've shot) heavy shotgun loads and heavy rifle .375's feel more like a "big push" compared to the "rap" on the shoulder that lightweight magnums often transmit.

Since I handle lightweight (8lbs - all up) magnums (like .300 Winchesters, Weatherbys and 7mm STW's) well - I think that I may not mind shooting a lightweight (but still heavier than the smaller magnums) in .375 H&H.

Still, having said that - I'd like to hear from anyone owning such a combo - before I decide which (if any) .375 I'd like to by for use here.

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I had two Browning A bolt in 375 SS one with boss and the other with a 26". I bought the boss equipped on to deal with the big bore effect but ended up trading it off for the longer barreled non boss. The boss cuts down the recoil but the recoil is not bad at all for a gun just over 7 pounds, negative drop in the stock is what makes it that way. My friend has an early 300 Weatherby and the muzzlewip and recoil would make a old man cry if he didn't know what he was in for

I've got a Remington 700KS in .375 ouch and ouch and all up with sling, leupy and 3 rounds weighs 7lbs 15oz. Ain't too bad to shoot and it does that in spades. Always 1MOA or under doesn't much matter what ammo. She'll be my big gun in Alaska in 2 weeks. I will primarily be using my Montana in .325WSM.

The problem I have found with light weight rifles is they get really bouncy in the tight of things and tend to wobble all over hell as your trying to take a stress shot..If you have plenty of time and can chose your spot and take a shot they are fine, but if you need to snap shoot a charging buffalo or Lion then your probably in deep do do! or make a running shot on a Kudu in the thick stuff or a sheep going over a saddle..

I like a 9 to 9.5 Lb. rifle and if thats too heavy to carry all day then someone needs to run some miles every day and drop about 25 pounds, that makes your gun a lot lighter.

I have had several lw 375's. The first was a Pre 64 M70 375 Ackley. By the way it is a real gain in velocity over the H&H. I was shooting 250 grain Bitteroot's at 3100fps. It weighted 7 3/4 pounds and was a handful. I had a second one whose nick name was THOR. Both were real thunder gods but they were very difficult to control. The first got a new barrel and the second went away. Next I tried a std H&H at 8 1/2 pounds and with 300 grain bullets at 2450 it was much nicer. The classic formula for the light 375 was first built by Al Biesen for John Jobson. Jobson had very specific thoughts of what he wanted. Biesen resisted building it but on completion he liked it so well that many more were constructed. It is a 23" barrel and a finished weight of 8 3/4 pounds w/o shells and sling. It was a great formula then and remains so today. I would follow that exactly.

BC: The other day I shot mine, field prone, at 300 yards.I had not previously shot it in a few months.It comes back, but as you point out,the recoil velocity seems like more of a push,slower than a light STW,300,etc.I can't say I'm the least uncomfortable with it.I practice off hand with it and seem to do as well as with any 300 mag.

Handed it to friend who had not fired the rifle before,and he said it was no problem to shoot.I would not be concerned about a 375 weighing 8-8.5 pounds in a synthetic stock.Another match shooter at our club wrapped up in the sling with this rifle and started throwing 10's at 300 yards with it.

Until recently I had a winchester 70 classic in 375 H&H. It had been highly customized to be very light weight. The barrel contour was turned down, cut at 20", and all excess metal removed from the action. It ended up weighing right at 6lbs 4oz with the scope detached. The scope brought it up to about 7 1/2 pounds. It was a joy to carry and hunt with. Recoil was brisk but not unmanagable and it was very accurate. I wouldn't think twice about owning a second lightweight 375 H&H they don't kick nearly as hard as poeple are afraid they will. I might even go up to a 375 RUGER or Weatherby on the next one.

........ Nice!

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Big time one of the nicest rigs to ever show it's face around the Fire! That and my G33 in a 270 and a good 223 and life is good...

Dober

That is a FINE looking rifle and although I need a .375 like a hole in the head, I would love to get my hands on one just like that!

Hey Bud, every one needs at least one yote rifle

Dober

I would love to have another .375 H&H, Mark!

Perhaps for 'Chucks at the workplace??

Stress mgt I tell you!

Dober

Right on!

ya know, Dober-
my local Sportsman's has a Rem 700 XCR in 375 H&H that has been sitting on the shelf for months.

Maybe I should give it a good home...

Now you're talking brother Tim!

Chop shop it to 21", give it a 6x36 Leo with LR dotz in it and you'll be golden!

Dober

I like the sounds of that...

not to hijack the thread but I just had to sell that rifle and an even nicer win 70 custom in 458 Lott. It was one of the nicest all around hunting rifles a guy could have. I'll have another one some day.

Josh,
I had a Ruger magnum in 375 and one in 416 Rigby that I had to sell, so I know what you mean!


416 Rigby on the top.
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Tim: Those are both very nice.

Thanks Bob.

The 375 in particular was a ball to shoot, and talk about smooth feeding.

Just too heavy to carry around though, I think if the 375 at least, had been about 2 pounds lighter I would have kept it and eaten Ramen for a couple of months!

BC,

I'll post these and duck...

Now that I've lived with this rifle a while, I've gained a lot of of respect for the Savage FSS 116 WW 375 H&H. It IS light! It is also the most accurate 375 I have owned, and the most accurate of the many I've shot. For years when I was younger I mounted scopes and sighted in customers' guns. I shot many 375's back then. For it's price, the Savage can't be beat...and it has a sort of CRF set up. I am liking the AccuTrigger more every time I shoot the gun. I bought it for a tough, wet terrain elk hunt and am satisfied I did the right thing. I have two other 375's, but both are much heavier, and one is less accurate.









It has a sufficiently long action for the 375, also, and needs no slot at the top rear of the front receiver ring like the 98 Mausers.

...same here...they are nice safari style rifles, but they are HEAVY!...Timney triggers sure made them shooters, too. I hated to have to part with mine.

Thanks for posting that.

I don't know why anyone should feel the need to duck because he's shooting a Savage. I've seen and handles European big-buck rifles that close to ten times the Savage you pictured, that wouldn't handle as well - or shoot nearly as well.

Savages are amazingly well thought out. They've figured out how to out-shoot rifles made by other companies - and do it far cheaper than many of their competitors. Rather than apologizing for owning a good shooting Savage - I'm more inclined to think other shooters with much more expensive rifles - brands that often don't shoot as well as the average Savage - should wonder why the brands they support don't shoot better than they do.

Rifle snobbery be dammed.

If a gun shoots - it shoots. If it feeds - it feeds. If it feels right in your hands - who cares what other's think?

If they can figure out how to make them shoot better than some of the other brand names, why can't they figure out how to make them better looking at the same time...?

Beauty is as beauty does, and is in the eye of the beholder!

I guess...

Luv2safari:

I looked in Savage's online catalog but could not find your .375 rifle.

Did they discontinue it, by chance?

Did you look at the 116FSS Weather Warrior section, clear at the bottom?? It's there.

Ah, I must have missed it...

Thank you!

As hard as it is to find, you would think they wanted to keep it a secret...

Speaking of lightweight 375s, has anyone had experience with the Remington XCR 375 ouch and ouch?

My current .375 H+H is a Sako AV 21" barrel 7 3/4 lbs. with a Leupold 1.75-6 in Leupold rings. Almost gave up on this rifle due to recoil but have become used to it with 260 Accubonds.

Wow!
That is light, however, it does sound like a very nice rifle.

Now this rig sounds about model perfect for me, what do you have for a stock on it?

Many thx

Dober

Hi Dober

I think this sounds like a restocked "Kodiak" model found at this url on Sako's website

The Kodiak with laminated stock is supposed to be about 7 15/16th pounds according to that url. Laminated stocks are usually a bit on the heavy side, so that is why I'm guessing re-stocked...

Hopefully 9.3x62 will see your inquiry and post the answer.

John

I have the Savage 116 Alaskan Guide in .375 H&H. It was a pre-accutrigger model. It is a tough one on scopes. I am planning some stickies inside the rings to stop the scope movement. I used Talley steel rings and a Burris signature Select Safari 1.75-5x32 scope, 7 lbs 12 oz, recoil energy 50 ft-lbs, velocity 20 fps. It shoots fast for such a short barrel, 20". Most of my loads are within 40 fps of the CZ550 Safari Magnum, 25" bbl. Hornady Heavy Magnum 300 gr FMJ-RN ammo is around 100 fps difference. If I'd had it first, I probably wouldn't have three others in the safe. My .416 Taylor at 8 lb 4 oz recoils in the same class, recoil energy 60 ft lbs, velocity 22 fps.

I had an early Remington custom shop Mountain KS that had a 21" barrel and weighed 7 1/4# (IIRC) with a Leupy 1-4X in Weaver mounts. It was a pretty nice piece, well balanced, carried well and was superbly accurate. I took a couple of nice elk with it then swapped it off. Recoil was not an issue as the stock design was perfect for me.