Any body have a clue what it is?

Yes. It's official: you're a putz.

Hey!!!! Smoke crack how you been?

Hows your life partner? Is he good?

Tibbe knows. PM him.

Thanks,

How can it be an announcement if only one guy knows??

That's not just "one guy."

It's William E. Tibbe.

He taught logdog everything he knows.

I know.....for real.

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you....grin!

Anything good or just hype?

Then it must have something to do with the 6.5.

It's a new bullet. Designed for long range hunting.

It's a 220 grain .308cal with .999 BC. Specifically for Smoke Cracks 300 WSM.

Ultramag. And it's 1.0.

6.5SAUM Brass finally available?

David

I've known Steve for several years and this announcement is absolutely going to change the way you think about long range.

Just a teaser but it is called the 30 Hornady

New Flux capacitor

I wonder if it has anything to do with Ruger ARX ammo

How can it be revolutionary AND .30?

Sorry; that's an oxymoron.

I would not be surprised to hear they are either offering brass or loaded rounds for 6.5saum or a high BC bullet in 6.5 cal.

Either way....I'd be happy.

They said they found it by accident. It has to be they found the correct way to measure BC's.

Good thought.

Maybe they'll drop the hint to Nosler.

Can you give him a hint and just beat the crap outta him?

Maybe they'll adopt the 6.5SAUM, give it a new sexy name with a new longrange bullet!
6.5Hornageddon ?
6.5Hornificent ?

And their own bolt action rifle platform??

Nosler did all the above recently didn't they?

Regardless of what "it" is, they should just make boatloads of 22LR.

Was hoping that they'd have "wow" factor type BC numbers. They are good tho. Cant wait to try some out.

http://www.hornady.com/new-products

wellillbefuked hey...........i cant believe i got through the whole video. not my place to speak on anyones bullet being another manufacturer now days.......

i look forward to trying some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpan-7vTqes

The found that polymer tips were ablating from heat during travel and degrading the BC (meplat diameter was increasing as the bullet travelled downrange). By using a heat proof tip, they are able to better retain the BC built into the bullet.

Ho Hum...Remington solved it a long time ago with the Bronze Points.

Yeah, they shoulda made 22LR......

Looks like the AMAX and the Interlock had a baby.

Ok, scratch that. .610BC 140gr 6.5 might be a doozy.

Setting aside the idea of a melting tip (they are smarter than I am so I'll reserve judgment on that) - what they've done is provide a product with an out for those people who say "Why use a match/paper punching bullet on game? It's unethical!!!" - regardless of actual performance of the AMAX on critters - there were a lot of people who wouldn't use it because it's not labeled a "hunting bullet".

Notice the focus on the tips of the OTM types - the irregularities - that's a marketing deal. Does it really matter? I don't know - I don't shoot that long, I don't shoot bergers, I don't own a Doppler. I do know that they don't look as nice and immediate thought would be - they can NOT be as consistent in the air as something with a tip like the Hornady offering. Does that really matter? Dunno - people kill big things at long ranges with OTM types and Bergers. It works obviously but we don't really know if there's an issue because I'm not shooting them myself.

At the end - Hornady has a new bullet, it's going to compete in the minds of those purchasers who say "you can't shoot match bullets at deer - need hunting bullets, but I also want to shoot long range so I get Berger Hunting VLDs"

IMO - that's what these are aimed at (pun there).

Regardless of if the heat resistant tip is BS or truth - I sincerely doubt that Hornady has introduced a bullet that is garbage front to back.

I like and use Hornady products - admit it. The Amax's I have all measured exactly the diameter they are supposed to with 2 different set of verniers. Doesn't mean much I suppose - really but they are consistent, box to box - bullet to bullet. IME

I see blow torched Amax you tube videos on the horizon.

All of that and the BC is lower than the 215 hybrid. Sure it's a designated hunting bullet but the 215 will drop animals in all velocity ranges. And the Hornadys are close to the same price.

I just can't believe they don't have a 6mm in the lineup. As popular as that bullet diameter is why wouldn't they have offered a 95-105 grain offering in the initial release? I would have loved to see some Stick testing with his BR Montucky.

I was happy to see the suggested retail price was still for 100 bullets though, and it wasn't outlandishly priced.

I'll get some

I guess the real test would be:

Shoot 800 yards with an Amax
Shoot 800 yards with the new one

Compare drop/groups.

Awesome

I have a lifetime supply of Hornady bullets with defective melting tips in 3 calibers.

Great

Looks can be deceiving...

I think that anyone who shoots long - meat or paper - is looking for consistency. There are tools out there for metplat uniforming IIRC and at first blush - it looks like there's no way for it to be consistent.

BUT I also suspect that it might have been a case where engineers were looking at the Doppler and not the target. Like watching a dial indicator on a lathe - it bounces all over the place and you'd think that whatever you have in there is completely out of round - then you remember that it's swinging 40% of the dial to show at 3 ten thousands bump (hyperole - you get the idea).

I have a feeling the tip deal has more to do with making the doppler happy than it does affecting the target results.

IMO - the thing here is the interlock and using them on game for people.

Rick,

No problem. I hear they are planning on offering the new tips and a little tube of glue to anyone that has the old defective melting tips. You'll have to supply your own pliers, but it shouldn't take you more than 3 or 4 minutes per bullet to retrofit....

David

In reference to Burger, the published BCs are from actual testing of said bullets with unmodified tips. While their values are an average the spread is very small. Litz did some experimenting with metplat trimming and bullet tipping and there were minor increases in published BCs. They shoot fine right out of the box.

A gunsmith friend of mine used to tell me that there was a problem with the A-Max tips for quite some time. I thought he was full of it till now

I'm starting to miss the good old days when I could hunt with CorLokts.

That would be a fair way to determine if this is a distinction without a difference.....

The 208 Amax gets a nice G1 BC boost from .648 up to .670.

Not bad if it's for real. Color me skeptical.

IIRC you are kinda the 208/30-06 aficionado in these parts. What kinda speeds are you dealing with?

With moly and RL22, 2800 fps in a 26" bbl, 2740 in a 22.5" bbl.

With moly and RL17, 2650 fps in a 22.5" bbl. 2600 fps in a 20" bbl.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I used to shoot a lot of Amax but now only have them in .224 for practice and varmints. I've been using Berger's for competition and primarily Scenar's for hunting.

Hoping they are readily available at a reasonable price...

Mind if I ask why you swap between competition and hunting?

Sure. I wouldn't say I'm swapping so much, as I have a sporter weight I use for hunting and a heavy gun for competition. I primarily shoot Scenar's in the sporter and Hybrids in the comp gun.

The Berger Hybrids shoot tighter for me, and are slicker, especially after I point them. The Scenars have always worked correctly on game, where the Hybrids have had some issues in a lot smaller sample size.

George Gardner posted that there will be a 6mm in 2016.

Thought that last part might be the case. Thanks for the info. Though a small sample size, I've been very pleased with on game results of the 139gr Scenar out of a 260. Can't see a reason to change right now.

I'll give the 6.5, 143ga ELD-X a run alongside the 140gr AMax.

I can't wait till guys start selling their AMAX stash.....I'll still shoot them...

Midway has em all up for backorder, supposed to be in on 11/28/15 !

http://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=eld

Powder Valley has them up for pre-order.

I plan to do the same but I'm happy with the Amax.

Just noticed factory loads that are going to be available as well. Interesting.

I'm interested in seeing what velocity I'm going to get with the 212's and see if they out perform the 215. But I'm hearing a long bearing surface, so in would say they will be slower than the 215.

I shot an antelope at 550 yards this year with a 215 berger hybrid and results were excellent. I picked up a few more boxes and planned to run them on everything and now something new comes along to try.

I'm particularly interested to see if the 143 6.5 shoots well In my 264 win. I've had a hard time finding a high BC bullet it likes but here's another option.

Bb

I ordered a box to test in two 6.5's. One is a lightweight. The other tops out about eight pounds. Both have 26" barrels.

A Hornady ballistician was having dinner when his five year old son asked why the red plastic tip on Daddy's bullets don't melt at supersonic speed! Dad suddenly got up and headed to the lab.

Did he happen to have any kind of info on the yet to be released 6mm? I emailed Hornady on the 27th, no reply as of yet. However, I wasn't expecting a rapid response.

The 6.5 is the only one with a decent BC. I will at least try them, that and the new 183 SMKs.

How much is a guy going to have to back off powder from say a 140 gr A max or Berger VLD to load the 143 Gr

Depends on the difference in bearing surface I would drop 10% and work up to be safe. But I would guess they will be about the same.

Just had to ask......


"While we do not have any current plans for this type of offering, we will be happy to let management know that there is interest in a .277” ELD-X offering. Thank you"