I have a 7mm Rem Mag Sendero and was wanting to load some Nosler Accubond or Accubond Long Range bullets for 200-400 yard shots on whitetails. Any of you ever used them and would be willing to share your opinions or experiences with these bullets? Also, would ya'll recommend the 140 gr or 160 gr for that distance shooting? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Northern white tail or southern?? I would use some h1000 to push the 160 and kill everything you point it at. 160 would also work if bear or elk ends up on the list of thing to shot.
So a bullet recommendation changes based on if the whitetail is southern or northern? Thanks for the laugh....
I'd shoot whatever is more accurate at those short ranges...
The deer won't give a rip I promise...
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YA a northern deer can weigh 300+ #. A southern deer will never weigh that 180 l# at most. So bullet weigh would make a difference. Not to mention the BC on the 160 is way better.
So a bullet recommendation changes based on if the whitetail is southern or northern? Thanks for the laugh....
I'd shoot whatever is more accurate at those short ranges...
The deer won't give a rip I promise...
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YA a northern deer can weigh 300+ #. A southern deer will never weigh that 180 l# at most. So bullet weigh would make a difference. Not to mention the BC on the 160 is way better.
One has to be careful when using the word "never". I've shot three in central Mississippi that went over 225 lbs (on a scale) and two of those were just over 235.
So a bullet recommendation changes based on if the whitetail is southern or northern? Thanks for the laugh....
I'd shoot whatever is more accurate at those short ranges...
The deer won't give a rip I promise...
.
YA a northern deer can weigh 300+ #. A southern deer will never weigh that 180 l# at most. So bullet weigh would make a difference. Not to mention the BC on the 160 is way better.
So a bullet recommendation changes based on if the whitetail is southern or northern? Thanks for the laugh....
I'd shoot whatever is more accurate at those short ranges...
The deer won't give a rip I promise...
.
YA a northern deer can weigh 300+ #. A southern deer will never weigh that 180 l# at most. So bullet weigh would make a difference. Not to mention the BC on the 160 is way better.
You are so far behind that a grand visit to PAC nor was worth a post. How was the shot show. You are so far out of the loop you can't even find charity passes. Funny stuff. If you only knew an ffl.
I hunt northern white tail exclusively some have been in excess of 250 pounds, and I can testify that out to 450 yards a 139 grain interbond is plenty.The 100 grain TSX has worked well to 350.
Sorry pooba it yanks my chain when guys run there mouth about stuff the ain't seen.
Wondered about that...Ive killed 90 pound does and 250 pound bucks with the same little .22 cal bullets. They all died, but I never asked them if they were from the south or the north...
I'm sorry that Phil, who asked a question that was important to him, has to sit here and listen to the girls get their panties in a wad - or is it D size contest?
IMO Phil, either bullet will do just fine. I'd select the one that shoots the best in your rifle. Nosler and Sierra manuals list most accurate powders and loads - that's where I'd start. Personally, I'd also consider the Lapua 150 Scenar L. It should shoot very well also.
Ok I'm wrong the deer in the south are just as big as the deer in the north and use what ever [bleep] bullet you want.
This place is full of great advice.
I would use the 160 but I'm sure a 120 bt would be fine. Or what ever else punches the vitals.
Never said the deer were as big in the south as the north on average but if you think the biggest they get is 180# then you have no idea what you're talking about. Our bigfoots are smaller than yours too.
I've gotten a big kick out of this thread. For the record's sake, I have killed numerous whitetail bucks in the TX Panhandle that field dress near 200lbs, but most of the mature bucks will more likely be around 170lbs. Our mule deer on the other hand, a big mature buck will field dress 275lbs easily. We have weighed many on cotton scales at 325lbs or slightly more (live weight).
We have no problem killing them with 140 -160 accubonds and/or partitions, or 150 BT's.
So a bullet recommendation changes based on if the whitetail is southern or northern? Thanks for the laugh....
I'd shoot whatever is more accurate at those short ranges...
The deer won't give a rip I promise...
.
YA a northern deer can weigh 300+ #. A southern deer will never weigh that 180 l# at most. So bullet weigh would make a difference. Not to mention the BC on the 160 is way better.
Not sure what you originally said but I don't know you.
I didn't know that there are 24HC fan clubs either....
Your original post today is stupider than is was yesterday.
Even more important than the Northern/Southern location of the deer, is it's diet. A measly 140 will have no chance at punching through a corn fed buck, but would probably do just fine on a bean-field deer. Just some more food for thought (no pun intended).
Does someone have a latitudinal chart that I can reference for deer weight so I can work up 6 different loads to have ready dependent on what state I'll be in?
I don't have a chart but the biggest bodied mule deer I ever killed hog dressed 230pounds on butcher's scales in the barn that night.
I shot him at 180 yards in the Breaks of the Peace River in Northern Alberta. He was quartering on slightly and was hit with a 140 Accubond at 3200 fps from a 7 Rem Mag, shattered the shoulder,and angled to the opposite hindquarter. Got a picture somewhere.
I'd consider a 140 AB from any 7mm a slam dunk on any deer in North America.
That is was the president of the NRA. The first year I went to the Olin dinner. but you knew that right. Lol. Stupid stuff like a northern deer is usually bigger than a southern deer and a hunter in the north might elk hunt or bear when a southern might not.
That is was the president of the NRA. The first year I went to the Olin dinner. but you knew that right. Lol. Stupid stuff like a northern deer is usually bigger than a southern deer and a hunter in the north might elk hunt or bear when a southern might not.
Could not agree more. The OP ask which of the two I ask north or south. Then gave a recommendation not related to the north or south question then the fan club jumps right on spurs dug in deep. LOL. A fish with every cast.
Hig might go hunting some day. Greg can help him load his gun. Lol.
fredIII, not sure what your beef is with GregW and that's your business, but just in case you don't know he is a VERY experienced and successful big game hunter.
I loaded up some 150 gr. Nosler Accubond LR bullets for my son, who used his 7mm Rem. mag. to take a cow elk last month. Range was a bit over 300 yards, dead elk.
MV is 3200 fps, driven by IMR 4350 powder, accuracy is sub-MOA. Obviously, this bullet is more than anyone needs for whitetails, but it will surely do the job, especially at longer ranges, where the high BC (.611) of this bullet really shines in terms of drop and wind resistance.
fredIII, not sure what your beef is with GregW and that's your business, but just in case you don't know he is a VERY experienced and successful big game hunter.
That's good because higbean needs all the help with hunting and shooting he can get. Greg can coach him up.
Read my original post I in no way said why I ask north or south. Greg is a stick lover and that's all it takes for me.
LOL
YA a northern deer can weigh 300+ #. A southern deer will never weigh that 180 l# at most. So bullet weigh would make a difference. Not to mention the BC on the 160 is way better.
So of the 2 Bullets the op ask about in the cartridge stated what bullet would the fan club recommend. I say 160 but. You guys never stated anything about the question.
So of the 2 Bullets the op ask about in the cartridge stated what bullet would the fan club recommend. I say 160 but. You guys never stated anything about the question.
Out to 400 yards I'd shoot whichever shot best in my rifle. I've killed loads of game with both 140 and 160 AB's. I personally wouldn't want to trust a LR AB at close range (-100yds), and having witnessed big mule deer killed at 30 yds with a 140 AB (7STW) I would have no worries about the regular AB's at all.
It is always entertaining to read the "expert advice" some like to post on these pages.
If the OP was asking about a .260 Rem, the 129 would be bullet of choice, possibly the 140 in a pinch. However, when someone asks about a 7Mag, suddenly anything short of a 140/160 grain won't kill a whitetail deer? When the heck did any deer- mule deer, whitetail, northern deer, southern deer, become bulletproof? Lots of guys I know kill elk, bears, even targets with 140's in the 7 mag and I've never known one to bounce off yet- but I guess it could still happen....
Anything in a 7Mag that shoots well- from 120 grains on up will kill any deer on earth at any reasonable range as long as the shot is placed properly. Go out and find a good load for your rifle and proceed to kill deer and other critters.
That would be implied. The question would be which one would you pick???. I would assume his rifle would shoot both bullets well. If one shoots much better that the other then its obviously the right pick. But all things in the accuracy dept. equal. The 160 with a higher bc would be a better choice. Not to mention the 160 would make the lb to grn ratio a perfect 1:1 in the south.
Bottom line the OP ask which one of two. In true campfire fashion I should have recommended a 6mm creedmoor and 105 hpbt. Ps water is for making ice. Ice is for whiskey on the rocks.
As usual you make almost no sense . The rifle will pick the bullet. Whichever shoots best will work fine. All this talk about northern deer, southern deer, mule deer, white tails, etc.... is nonsense. No deer on this planet or any other planet is going to stand up to a well placed shot from either bullet.
As usual you make almost no sense . The rifle will pick the bullet. Whichever shoots best will work fine. All this talk about northern deer, southern deer, mule deer, white tails, etc.... is nonsense. No deer on this planet or any other planet is going to stand up to a well placed shot from either bullet.
Agreed, the rifle will pick. How ever the question was what one would you pick. If both Bullets shoot equally as well the 160 is the better choice. How is that so hard to understand.
The OP did not say bullet Z shoots blank and bullet Y shoots blank which one should I use. He ask of these two which one would be best. Of all the responses on this topic far less that half answered the question. But could not wait to throw their twist in and a jab to boot.
The whole north south question was to enquirer on what other game may be hunted with said load. But I made sure to answer the ops question. The rest is so the perfect azzholes here have something to get there panties in a bunch over. Trust me it made their day.
That is was the president of the NRA. The first year I went to the Olin dinner. but you knew that right. Lol. Stupid stuff like a northern deer is usually bigger than a southern deer and a hunter in the north might elk hunt or bear when a southern might not.
Freddy, were you in as part of the wait staff?
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I have a picture of my brother posing with Donald Trump too, that don't make him a billionaire any more than posing with Wayne makes you a ballistician.
That is was the president of the NRA. The first year I went to the Olin dinner. but you knew that right. Lol. Stupid stuff like a northern deer is usually bigger than a southern deer and a hunter in the north might elk hunt or bear when a southern might not.
Freddy, were you in as part of the wait staff?
. 😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I have a picture of my brother posing with Donald Trump too, that don't make him a billionaire any more than posing with Wayne makes you a ballistician.
Funny you mention a ballistician, what if that was exactly what I did for about eight years. Lol. Would that change anything? Did not think so. LETs just say you are half right.
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PS can you have your brother tell Donald hi for me.
That is was the president of the NRA. The first year I went to the Olin dinner. but you knew that right. Lol. Stupid stuff like a northern deer is usually bigger than a southern deer and a hunter in the north might elk hunt or bear when a southern might not.
Freddy, were you in as part of the wait staff?
. 😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I have a picture of my brother posing with Donald Trump too, that don't make him a billionaire any more than posing with Wayne makes you a ballistician.
Funny you mention a ballistician, what if that was exactly what I did for about eight years. Lol. Would that change anything? Did not think so. LETs just say you are half right.
👍🏼
PS can you have your brother tell Donald hi for me.
Were you involved with the BC numbers on the Accubond LR?
No! but I can tell you that they are right on. Mike M, Mike L, and the gang are the best people you could ever hope to meet so think hard about the next jab. Nosler states that the g1 is developed using 100 yards. At 100 the BC is right. The g7 is supplied and spot on. Everyone in the know use g7 anyway for Long range. G1 are for the guys that think they know and like to see big numbers. It's actually silly to even post g1 as they error by as much as 12%. But it's an old standard and shooter don't like change. But you knew that right hig. Lol.
I`ve killed only two W.T. with the 7mm 160 AB`s. One at 375, bullet hit the front shoulder, DRT, the second at 225 hit behind the front shoulder, deer went about 50 yrds. 7mm hole in, about a 1 inch hole out. But we`ve, my son and I, have killed deer with this bullet in .25 cal, .30, and 8mm, had excellent results with the AB in all, plus they shoot excellent. Don`t think you could go wrong.
No! but I can tell you that they are right on. Mike M, Mike L, and the gang are the best people you could ever hope to meet so think hard about the next jab. Nosler states that the g1 is developed using 100 yards. At 100 the BC is right. The g7 is supplied and spot on. Everyone in the know use g7 anyway for Long range. G1 are for the guys that think they know and like to see big numbers. It's actually silly to even post g1 as they error by as much as 12%. But it's an old standard and shooter don't like change. But you knew that right hig. Lol.
Good grief!!!! Generally speaking men of experience are experienced enouph to know NOT to toot there own horn. Simply share your experience without fondling and stroking yourself if at all possible. This thread has more D in hand than anything else.
If deer is all you hunt I'd probably go with the 140 as Bobin recommended especially considering a 400 yd limit. A load would easily be attainable where no turrets or LR reticles are necessary and crosshairs would never have to leave the critter.
We do have a few big deer here in SC. My largest over the last 39 years has been 240 lbs, 235 lbs and 226 lbs. I have probably taken another 10 or 12 that was at the 200 lb mark. Three of which are in the SC records program, highest scoring of mine was 150 2/8 net. We have the genes but with 14 weeks of open season and a liberal 11 total deer limit per hunter, most of our bucks don't make it to maturity. The ones that do become invisible during the day. I have night time trail cam pics of some bucks that would make your eyes bulge a little. We are going to have another B&C entry from the 2016 season, an 11 year old boy shot it about 10 miles from my house. I've have gotten use to people that reply on forums that think someone is a novice just because they asked a simple question. I've been hand loading for 40+ years, I just want to hear others opinions. But not from someone that is a novice them self or has only a couple years of hunting experience. Like my father taught me when I was young, be careful what you say to strangers because you never know who they are, where they have been or what they know.
If you have a 7 mag, just point it in the general direction. It will kill whatever you are shooting at. It's that good. I like 140 ballistic tips. They kill deer just as well and are cheaper if you shoot a lot.
I've shot three in central Mississippi that went over 225 lbs (on a scale) and two of those were just over 235.
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