I'm trying to decided between the Rem Classic or HTG stock for a build. I have a fluted #3 Bartlein "Heavy Sporter" barrel I will finish at 24" I'd like 8.5lb max finished weight, scoped, for the rifle, and I think either of these stocks with Edge fill would work for me. But I just want to make sure.

Thoughts and experiences? Does anybody have a weight on the HTG with Edge fill?

Thanks
Fisky

I have a edge fill HTG inletted for a M700.
I do not have an accurate weight.
Best guess.
25 oz.


dave

Fisky, The Classic & Bartein #3 fit well together and would keep you at 8.5 or less. HTG is a much larger stock & suited better for a 5-8 contour.

I've got two Bartlein #3's sitting in Classic's if you wish to see pics.

Classic

Fisky-I kind of flirt with the idea of a HTG for a WSM project. I like the stock, but I like it more for belly shooting than for offhand and or sitting. Though I do allright using those positions with it.

I had one on a M70 with standard fill and a #4.4 Schneider in .340 Wby. If I had it to do over again no doubt I'd go with Edge fill. And for me the #3 Brux 7 tube I have ordered would make for a fantastic rig for shooting at long range.

Dober

The HTG is a much larger stock than the Classic ? Not really. It will take up to a #8 barrel contour where I think the Classic stops at a #5. The HTG also has a very high comb, higher than the classic.
But the forend diameter and the pistol grip diameter are about the same. At least they feel very close to the same to me. E

The HTG has a high comb? Whaaat?

Not really.

To the OP: I'd would go Standard Fill Classic.

Ditto.....in fact I have several so configured.....

A 22" #2 or 3 in a regular filled Classic, talleys and a 3.5-10 CDS will put you at 7 1/2 to 7 3/4 every time.

I have a 23" # 4 lightly fluted with a 4.5-14 Mark IV with turrets on top, and it stops the scale at 8 lbs 3 ozs.

You guys that say standard fill Classic instead of Edge, why? Would it balance better than an Edge filled Classic with that contour of barrel?

Safe to assume an Edge filled HTG would weigh less than a standard fill Classic, right?

Personal preference Frisky. A few ounces is not enough for me to have a lighter-painted stock. All my classics weigh 28-31oz and never need to re-paint. Plus I like the McSwirly pattern look.

This Classic has a big #3 Bartlien(.712 Muzzle OD), H&S DBM & Defiance action. It weighs exactly 8.6lbs.

You put on a lighter scope & Talley rings,and go ADL, you'll be 7.75lbs no problem....With a good size barrel. I'm not a fan of feather weight barrels..just me. This .308win is a tack-driver..even on a bad day of shooting I can drill dimes with this rig.

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A #3 Bartlien is around .670 @ the muzzle so is basically most other makers #4, so personally I would not go Edge fill with a tube that size, a #3 that finishes @ .625 or smaller would be more suited for a Classic Edge!

I think it would be a little unlikely for an HTG in Edge to come in the same weight as a Classic with Edge, my Classic Edge came in at 25 oz's.

If your looking for a stiffer stock than you will need to go edge!

Nice rifle slg888....I too am not a fan of fetherweight rigs. I have a sub 7.5lb Sako Finnlight scoped, and I find I have a tough time shooting it to where I think I should be shooting it. Granted, it's still more than adequate for killing animals, but I know I can do better with just a little more weight.

On another sight I did find where Ryan from MCM said they can get HTG's down to 26oz, with half inch pads. Lighter than I was expecting. So throw a 1" pad on there and go Edge fill and weight will be pretty good yet, as should balance.

I should listen to all you guys and go Classic, but for some reason I'm stuck on an HTG yet. Never handled one though. I have a Classic, and it's OK.. I got a MCS-T on my heavy rifle and I love that stock. But it's a bit bulky and especially heavy for a dedicated hunting rifle. I'm just thinking an Edge filled HTG would be the compromise I'm looking for. Less weight and appears to be some less bulk than the MCS-T.. A lot of my shots would be prone, too.

Dave, how you like the stocks as far as balance, bulk, etc ??

Thanks

Check out the rifles on McMillan's website. They use Edge fill in the stocks on most of their rifles. The rifles are not light weights. I find it interesting that McMillan has almost exclusively chosen Edge fill. But what the heck do they know?

Look up "bulky" in the dictionary and there will be a picture of an HTG.

Bartlein's contours are pretty stout, I'd prefer a Standard Fill on your recipe in order to balance better.

Frisky, the Manners SL Lite or Mcmillan Sporter is a nice choice also. I miss my Manners SL! What scope are you planning to use?

Fisky,
The GP/HTG to me is just like peas and carrots.
Pretty much all I use.
Since, like, 1986.....
The two up top have Hart No4s
The Campfire camo one is a Rockcreek No4.

The one thing I do a bit different is have the action skidded forward .5 of an inch over standard.
It mouses up the way the rifle looks at the tang area alittle bit.
But you have ALOT more room on the grip for your hand.
I do all mine that way.....
Neve noticed a balance issue unless Hubble is on board...


dave

I've also considered the SL from Manners. I called them and they can do molded in camo but that brings the weight back up to about 2 lbs. Again, I've never handled the SL but I am a Manners fan. Most I've talked to regarding this stock really like it for a med weight rifle. I've really been waffling back and forth on my stock choices. I got everything else figured out.It's tough when you haven't handled a lot of them and the wait time is what it is.

I plan to use a 6.5-20x40 VX3 LR, with M1s. Talley LW mounts. So a fairly light scope and mount set up...

i much prefer the Classic. the HTG has a comb wayyyy too low for me. i had to put a stock pack on it and shim it with ~3/8" of closed cell foam. not fond of the porky forearm for general use either.

Nice looking rifles Dave. What do you have sitting in your Edge HTG?

If you're debating HTG and Classic, why not go to a thinner monte carlo style stock with a little higher comb and buy a Sako Hunter? Better than either in my opinion.

All my current ones are camos.
The edge ones are not finished ....yet.


dave

If you're going Edge, go Hunter's Compact and a light contour tube.

As others have said, I'd go Classic and standard fill. The last 2 classics I weighed both were 29oz.

Got to handle an HTG last night. Granted it wasn't ideal as the rifle was a 12#'r with a 50mm obj scope on it. You absolutely needed a stock pack for optimal cheek weld/line of sight with his scope and ring combo (med rings). I didn't like it like I thought I would. Glad I didn't have to pay $500 and wait 4 months to realize that!!!

Trying to get my hands on a Manners SL now...and compare it to the Classic.

That's the nice thing about coming on here to ask about Mcmillans (or a lot of other things): there are plenty of folks that have BTDT and can save a guy a lot of money trying to do R&D himself.

Could you hang a pic of the tang area???

Many thanks.