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Posted By: woodson Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
I've been gathering components for a fast twist 243 since June. SA700 SS is enroute (thanks Raghorn), Micky Edge MR handle, Rock #2 1-8 twist, Ptg BM, and Holland RL. She will be topped with a VX3 2.5x8-36. Last part I need is a trigger. Timney for like $130 vs Jewell for like $230. Now I realize being cheap and custom rifles don't go together. That said, is the Jewell REALLY worth the extra 100 clams??

I've been spamming our classifieds for a "stainless" unit with bolt release and safety (RH) with no luck. Anyone have one they're willing to part with?
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Shilen
Posted By: deflave Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Another vote for the Shilen, although I admit I have never owned a Jewell.


Travis
Posted By: slg888 Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
I have all 3 (Timney,Shilen,Jewell) and they all work sweet. Honestly Woodson, if the trigger shoes were made identical and I closed my eyes to squeeze each trigger...I would not know the difference between the three I have.

Which ever trigger has the best price would be my choice.

Posted By: Tanner Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Have the smith tune up your 700 bang switch.
Posted By: MShuntfish Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
I have Jewell, Shilen, Timney, and factory 700s tuned. I'm with Tanner. A well-done old-school 700 trigger is plenty for me. But to answer your question... I'm one of the weirdos that doesn't love Jewells tuned to sporting rifle poundages. I prefer Jewells in the 1-2 pound range (which I really have no need for), but at 3 pounds, they have creep, albeit a very smooth creep.
Posted By: FVA Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
I wouldn't recommend a tuned 700 as a blanket statement.
Fit and finish in some years was chit. Other years were good.
The Jewell is a beauty for under 2# weights.
I prefer a SS Shilen on a hunting rifle. It might require the additional purchase of a Rifle Basix safety kit if you don't have a safety to take off another trigger.
Posted By: Middlefork_Miner Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Here ya go... http://www.greatscottshooters.com/trigger.htm
Get the Jewell HVR & be a happy camper.
Posted By: Hondo64d Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Another vote for Shilen...

John
Posted By: SAKO75 Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
http://www.realguns.com/Commentary/comar183.htm

read this then decide
Posted By: Nortex Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Jewel is my favorite of the three.
Posted By: BurninDupont Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Get the Shilen
Posted By: badger Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Have only used Rifle Basix and Jewell, and the Jewell is on a different planet. Have one set to 1.5lb on my 7-08AI, and it is something else. Got one coming for my 223AI. I have 5 Rifle Basix triggers, and I thought they were pretty good until I tried the Jewel. No experience with the Timney or Shilen.
Posted By: SAKO75 Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
yeah i agree...i like lighter triggers and the jewell on my 308 @ 1.75 breaks pretty damn good...
Posted By: woodson Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
I guess a 2 pound pull on a Jewell wouldn't suck. May as well splurge some more. Why stop now?
Posted By: Mark R Dobrenski Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
Of the two you mentioned, slamo dunk I'd go Jewell. And of all the triggers available I'd go Jewell.

Dober
Posted By: toad Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
same here. i'd have a Jewell on every rifle i owned if i could afford it.
Posted By: Mark R Dobrenski Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/10/12
me to and or if they made it for the rifle

Dober
Posted By: woodson Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/11/12
Well thanks guys. Jewell it is. I'll wait another week or so and try and get one off our classifieds then I'll buy one retail.
Posted By: Ackleyfan Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/11/12
I have used Factory Rem ,Rifle Basix and Jewell definately takes trigger pulls to a new level...cheapest place is Great scott shooters supply, plus they hold there value like no other trigger so if you think it's to over the top just sell it!
Posted By: ldholton Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/11/12
What weight of pull are you looking for ? When you start getting down in the oz's is where a jewell shines !!! And folk a 1.5 pound trigger ain't lite if you think it is you have not shot a good quilty lite trigger grin And a 1.5# trigger is very doable with a polishing and re springin and old style remington
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/11/12
Originally Posted by Tanner
Have the smith tune up your 700 bang switch.
Agree with FVA. I've adjusted some of the older M-700's to a super clean 2.5-3# pull, as good as any custom trigger. If I had one like that, I'd probably stay factory.

I have or have had all the mentioned triggers. For serious long range rifles, I'd go Jewell. Those things are super.

For hunting guns, Timney is good and can be set pretty light. The Shilen is probably a better trigger than the Timney, but properly set up, it would be hard to tell the difference. I even have an HS made trigger, which to me is about like the Shilen. I even have two vintage Canjar hunting triggers, which are works of art. But, fine machining notwithstanding, I can't say the trigger pull is better than a well tuned Timeny or Shilen.

DF
Posted By: JMP Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/11/12
With few exceptions you generally "get what you pay for." I have had all of the above and strongly recommend a Jewell if you can afford it. I think they are vastly superior to the other options. The only 700 I don't have a Jewell on is an older B prefix action with a very well tuned factory trigger ---if money grew on trees it would have a Jewell too.

My preference is
1. Jewell
2. Properly tuned older factory 700 trigger
3. Shilen
Posted By: GTN Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/12/12
No experience with Shilen but,

I am a 1pound kinda guy on my hunting rifles and I am in love with Jewell. I have Timney's and don't dis like but a well tuned factory 700 trigger I actually like better. I would go with the Jewell like you said ain't nothing cheap in custom guns.
Posted By: 163bc Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/12/12
I have all of em. Best one is the new Remington Mark -X tuned by Neil Jones. Every bit as good or better than any aftermarket including Jewell.
Posted By: 300MAG Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/12/12
Run the Jewell & don't look back!!
Posted By: ldholton Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/12/12
Originally Posted by 163bc
I have all of em. Best one is the new Remington Mark -X tuned by Neil Jones. Every bit as good or better than any aftermarket including Jewell.
hows that mark-x at 2 oz. ? safe ? hold sear on a bolt slam ?
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/12/12
Originally Posted by 163bc
I have all of em. Best one is the new Remington Mark -X tuned by Neil Jones. Every bit as good or better than any aftermarket including Jewell.

You'll love it until that MIM trigger gets broken... frown

I've never seen photos of the old machined steel M-700 triggers, snapped off by UPS, etc. Maybe bent, never broken.

DF
Posted By: Ackleyfan Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
Originally Posted by ldholton
Originally Posted by 163bc
I have all of em. Best one is the new Remington Mark -X tuned by Neil Jones. Every bit as good or better than any aftermarket including Jewell.
hows that mark-x at 2 oz. ? safe ? hold sear on a bolt slam ?


grin I've played with them all except for a Timney and I can't imagine what you would have to do to them to get them to feel like a Jewell, even at the same pull weight the Jewell has a much better feel!
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
Originally Posted by ldholton
Originally Posted by 163bc
I have all of em. Best one is the new Remington Mark -X tuned by Neil Jones. Every bit as good or better than any aftermarket including Jewell.
hows that mark-x at 2 oz. ? safe ? hold sear on a bolt slam ?


grin I've played with them all except for a Timney and I can't imagine what you would have to do to them to get them to feel like a Jewell, even at the same pull weight the Jewell has a much better feel!

None are in the same class as the Jewell, IMHO.

To claim otherwise is strange, indeed.

DF
Posted By: 406_SBC Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
I've used Jewell triggers in the past. They are no doubt great triggers, if you want a pull measured in ounces.

Anytime I want a pull of 1.5# or greater I'll take a Timney over the Jewell. For hunting I much prefer Timney.......
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
The Jewell is wasted on a heavier trigger pull.

There are a bunch of much less expensive options for such applications. And with that, I agree with you.

DF
Posted By: rockchuck828 Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
Originally Posted by 406_SBC
I've used Jewell triggers in the past. They are no doubt great triggers, if you want a pull measured in ounces.

Anytime I want a pull of 1.5# or greater I'll take a Timney over the Jewell. For hunting I much prefer Timney.......


The OP is talking about a Remington, the jewell is superior in every way to a Timney for a Remington or Winchester, the only time Timney is the CHOICE is when there is no other aftermarket trigger.......LOVE my Timney Sako trigger's !!!
Posted By: JimHundley Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
IMO, a Jewell doesn't become a "Jewell" until 2 1/2 lbs. and under. The one I have on a hunting rifle had a decernable "hitch" until I adjusted it to two pounds. The one on my bench rifle is set for 2 oz. Very nice !
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
Agree with you, Jim.

It seems to me that the Jewell seems more manageable, set light, than the others. A Timney at a pound can feel a bit scary, at least to me. Not so with a Jewell.

DF
Posted By: JSTUART Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
Originally Posted by woodson
I've been gathering components for a fast twist 243 since June. SA700 SS is enroute (thanks Raghorn), Micky Edge MR handle, Rock #2 1-8 twist, Ptg BM, and Holland RL. She will be topped with a VX3 2.5x8-36. Last part I need is a trigger. Timney for like $130 vs Jewell for like $230. Now I realize being cheap and custom rifles don't go together. That said, is the Jewell REALLY worth the extra 100 clams??

I've been spamming our classifieds for a "stainless" unit with bolt release and safety (RH) with no luck. Anyone have one they're willing to part with?


If you are after accuracy and have an educated finger then Jewell is the only way, if you have a sporting rifle and your knuckles drag on the ground and/or you are shooting in the cold then Timney is your best bet.


ps, I believe that Arnold is to be cannonised next year.
Posted By: Mule Deer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
For a medium-light pull of 1-2 pounds the Jewell is great, and I would probably choose it over a tuned 700, Timney or Shilen. For a 2-3 pound pull any will do fine.

Under a pound and I like the Jard a lot. Have them on a Remington 700 Classic .221 Fireball and a benchrest 6mm PPC. Very fine triggers.
Posted By: 65BR Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
I run Jewell's, but have had some OEM 700s, esp the older guns, which have lighter springs, that worked well, though had one that was prone to ADs, so, you may 'Roll the dice' w/a factory trigger.

Hear good things on Shilen. Had a Timney on Swedish Mausers, huge improvement, but not great, but that's just MY ltd experience. On Ruger #1's, the Kepplinger is UNREAL, an expensive albeit worthy investment.

Sounds like running a 2 contour, you want a hunting trigger from 2-3#, I agree w/above, all can give good service. Whether a premium is justified paying for a Jewell is subjective, in this scenario (2-3#).

Posted By: 10generation Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
I went Timney, my rifle is for the field/hunting, heard from a smith I respect that he has seen Jewell's jam up with dust and dirt from regular use.

Like the Timney.
Posted By: ColdBore Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
Originally Posted by JSTUART
...and have an educated finger...


You bring up the point that bothers me the most about a Jewell.

The too-narrow trigger itself.

And yes, my trigger finger is quite well-educated.

I like my finger to be able to feel a trigger before I apply pressure. The thinness and shape of the Jewell just doesn't work for me, especially on a hunting rifle.

I have a few on target/groundhog rifles, but no way would I put one on a big game rifle.

Another point... their strong suit is when you need a trigger pull measured in ounces. For a 2-3 pound pull, I can't think of why you'd need a Jewell.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
Originally Posted by 65BR
On Ruger #1's, the Kepplinger is UNREAL, an expensive albeit worthy investment.

I agree 100%. The price has gone up since I fitted my .220 Swift #1 with the Kepplinger. It is a fine piece of machinery, no doubt.

DF
Posted By: Eremicus Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/13/12
No experience with Jewell triggers, but I've done several others. I don't like the Timney because the ones I've seen on other rifles and the one I had wouldn't stay put. After a while, they'd develop some creep. My Rifle Basic did that once and settled down. The rebuilt Remington I had was a dream that never changed. All of these were 2 1/4, to 2 3/4 lb. triggers.
For putting up with dust and crude, nothing beats the open designs like the old, pre-64, M70 or the tang safety Ruger.
That unreliable Timney got replaced by an Alaskan Arms M70 on my custom Mauser. Now there is a nice setup. E
Posted By: Mule Deer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/14/12
There's another thread about trigger shoes. You might try one.
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/14/12
I've only played with 1 Jard trigger. I think I still have pieces of it in a box in my toy room. A 3 pound hammer insured I was never tempted to use it again.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/14/12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
I've only played with 1 Jard trigger. I think I still have pieces of it in a box in my toy room. A 3 pound hammer insured I was never tempted to use it again.

WOW!

You musta been some kinda mad or that Jard musta been some kinda bad... shocked

DF
Posted By: 6.5-06 Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/15/12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
I've only played with 1 Jard trigger. I think I still have pieces of it in a box in my toy room. A 3 pound hammer insured I was never tempted to use it again.


I had the same experience!

Jewells are a great trigger
Posted By: rainierrifleco Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/15/12
timney makes great trigers and has the best service going. i have more timneys than jewel and shelin combined but you wont ever beat the 4 lever jewell design. they are the best....but unless you really need a super light triger timney works flawless
Posted By: woodson Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/16/12
I ended up buying a Timney off their website, nickel with RH safety preset at 1.5 lbs. Saved a few bucks over the Jewell.
Posted By: woodson Re: Jewell vs timney? - 12/16/12
Few bucks=$100 bucks. Hopeful i like it.
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