Rimrock/Pacific Research stocks are pretty much a thing of the past - sadly. I'd love to have a few more for the M700 L/A & S/A BDL, Win M70 L/A & S/A (FN/SC versions), Sako L61R, and the Interarms Mark X. However, I'd find it REAL hard to pay this sellers asking price of $4500 !

http://www.armslist.com/posts/50298...fic-research-stock-fnh-spr--win-model-70

At $4500 a crack, one might be able to coax a reintroduction of these fine stocks.

I believe jim borden of borden rifles has the rights to make those stocks. you might give him a call to see if they got any still around

Times change. Jim HAD the rights, but sold them several moons ago. When Jim had the rights, if you held your tongue right, smiled and flashed cash, you might get a stock out of him that wasn't attached to one of his rifles.

Scroll down. It says $450.

I know. Just thought the $4500 at the top was a bit over the top.

Hang tight. The elves tell me they are coming back.....

Yep, somethin's blowing in from the east.....

Before I scrolled down, I was willing to offer an As New LH LA Rimrock for half of that. Bummer when I saw the $450...

Randy think I seen a new one on a hunt this year.....


Tease tease.

Are they better than a Bansner?

I heard the guy really likes the stock too.

One new Rimrock, or supposed sighting of one, don't mean SQUAT.

WiFowler: It wasn't a "supposed" sighting....it was a "real" sighting on a new custom rifle built by the people who bought the stock business from Borden.I stared at it for a solid week on a hunt this year.... Recently built.

I'm not being coy here; just not sure how much Im allowed to say....but a custom rifle builder does own the stock. I will leave it up to them to publicize it as they want.How available they are is another question.

I should mention that I think you know the owner LOL!

Based on my small sample of one each, yes, though both are very good.

I have the PR on a pre-war Standard Grade and the Bansner is on a pre-64 FW-a 1954.

I have 2 Rimrock stocks on M70's & 3 on M700's as well as a M600 in a Banister/hiteck stock. The Rimrocks are great much better than Hitek.

The 2nd stock is a Rimrock, the 3rd a Brown Precision and the Bottom McMillian:

Banister/hiteck stock

Below is one of the first iterations (of the old Rimrock/Borden) from Nathan Chesney.

I have a handful of High Tech stocks and like them a lot but I'll pick Nathan's stock each and every time.
He's quite meticulous so he's finessed the molds a bit but only a true Rimrock aficionado like WIfowler would notice the subtleties.

As of now, his versions are only available on his custom rifles or he'll restock an existing rifle - but expect to pay a healthy (but very worthwhile) sum for it.

Bob,

I'm aware of the back story. And yes I know the owner of the 'one-off stock' and am aware of the owner of the business.

WiFowler I figured that you did...

LOL on the typo add, but, about the stocks themselves, I think they were/are the best syn stocks ever made, they fit and feel perfect for me.

It's a great pattern and the old ones were a very solid stock. I've finished them and hunted them on 2 700's and one M70. Really like the pattern. Hope they are produced again...would love a light fill option, but it may not be feasable.

I have six of these on various P-64s and Brno ZGs, I have or have had about every other synthetic stock made since 1985. I consider these the best with Mickys and wish I had more of them.

Folks,

Many thanks for answering my question of the comparison between the Bansner and the Rimrock. Pictures sure helped. The Rimrock kind of makes the Bansner look a bit like a B&C.

Scott, I'm a little slow so didn't make the connection to your new rifle right off.

The reason I ask is that my LGS uses Bansners, but he beefs them up a bit and even adds his own adjustable cheekpiece. That is what is being installed on my 6.5 Creedmoor build, my first custom. I want to get that one done before I start on the next 2-3. Grin.

I'm staying tuned, interesting discussion. Thanks again gents for allowing me to be part of the discussion.

I've had two of each the Bansner and Rimrock.

My take...

Bansner, a great, straight-high comb. A bit thick in the forearm for a no.1 contour, but not an overly long forearm. Nice, medium-thick wrist. Averages 25 oz's.

Rimrock, excessive drop in the comb, but mitigated by a good cheeckpiece. Slim wrist, very nice! Averages 28+ oz's.

Having finished a couple PR stocks and dozens of Bansners I'll be the odd man and say I prefer the Bansner. I like the shape of the Rimrock but they don't feel as stiffly constructed to me. I have both BTW but YMMV.

I have one RR. Never hunted one. Mine is a M70 Classic,Brux #2 in 7 Rem Mag. Rifle shoots great and the stock reminds me of a Legend. But I think this one will make a great hunting rifle if I ever get it out after something.

Bansners...have had several and hunted them a lot. Great stock and Bansners did a great job of bedding all of mine. Actually I really can't complain about any of the Browns, Bansners,McMillans I have/had. All have been good. I would gladly hunt any of them.

My two favorites (all time) are the Brown PoundR and the Echols Legend. But Bansners and this RR seem not far behind if at all.

Did he eliminate checkering from all of the molds?

I really liked the way they were made before.

I don't know how many molds he's finished - will be talking to him this week.
He's using a pretty heavy texture for the finish so it eliminates the need for checkering.

I was a bit hesitant at first but I've grown quite fond of the texture.

SKane,

What does the heavy texture stock weigh?

I had Nathan install a High Tech stock for me and painted with his texture paint ..I feel it is far better than any checkering ...

I think Nathan is in the early stages of getting a few stocks designed with future improvements and designs to come if you go to his facebook you will see another lightweight stock he has designed.

Nathans fit and finish are impeccable to say the least...he will be doing more work for me in the future.

Nathan will also be at the Harrisburs Pa./ NRA sports show for anybody that wants to meet with him and see his work

When I get a chance, I'll pull it off and weigh it.

For reference purposes, I have an unmolested, original Rimrock for a 700 L/A BDL and it weighs 26oz complete with recoil pad. McMillan quotes 22-26oz for a similar Edge.

I'm gonna guess that Scott's texture S/A pushes 28-30oz. I may be wrong.

Yep, I'd say that's probably about right.

Thanks guys... it will be interesting to see what it does weigh. I really like that stock.

It's worth mentioning that High Tech now offers their Miller Classic design, a definite step up in shape from the standard stock. Worth checking out.

That looks damn near perfect...

Yup, Diggin the high ass end. Close to a MCM mountain rifle pattern.

Great paint job, those colors click together. Veddy nice amigo!

That Miller Classic looks nice. How is the wrist?

Similar to a Brown, in other words perfect.

The parts are with my smith at the moment, I can't take any more pics.

I fitted up a Miller classic on an M70 a few weeks ago. Very nice stock, I liked it a lot. The wrist seemed, I didn't measure, to be a little thinner than the normal Bansner. The flat bottom with the sculpted lines looked really sharp with the one piece bottom metal on the new M70 I put it on. They don't inlet for that bottom metal BTW, the one piece they inlet for is the old safari express steel unit but it's pretty close and no big trick to open it up a little more for the new unit.

I'll be using more of them in the future.

Thanks Rick and Kid, I've got short fingers so prefer a skinny wrist on a stock.

Bob.

I had LAW throttle the CNC and inlet mine only for an ADL. Trigger guard, no floorplate. No extra charge for that, they were great to deal with and you can't beat a 2-week turn-around!

Will round the edges so it fits my hand.

I also like slim grips, I am sure you would like it.

Rick - I can't "see" your picture, so not sure exactly which action you are using, but do you know if LAW offers this stock for the pre-64 Model 70? Just looked at their site and it seems to only specify the post-64s.

I seem to recall you are a pre-64 fan so thought you might know, or have asked.

Thanks!

Bob

Bob, I use photobucket. It is down for the minute.

I am using a pre-64, and you are absolutely right. LAW offers that model only for long action post-64 model 70s. However, the pre-64 and the post long action are very close in length. So close in fact that if you have the actions side-by-side and line up the rear guard screws? There is overlap of the front guard screws and recoil lugs.

It is very easy for a good stock guy to convert the stock to a pre-64 inlet. Just index off the rear guard screw hole. Open up the area behind the recoil lug inlet, it is filled when you glass anyway.

I specifically asked LAW not to drill the front guard screw hole. That will be done after the hole location is indexed for the pre-64 action.

The bolt handle notch and ejection port need to be done anyway so same same there.

When Photobucket comes back up I will post a pic or two.

That's a really good looking stock.

The problem with McMillan is that all their patterns for the M70 are crap. The Echols legend and Bridges designs are good but they're a pain to get since you have to go outside mcmillan to get them. I've got M70's with the supergrade pattern (outdated) and the hunter's edge. I like the hunter's edge except for the comb, I have to add comb risers to make them usable. Why Mcmillan won't make a stock with a usable comb height is beyond me.

Actually, it's not hard to figure out. They're selling all the stocks they can make so they're got no incentive to update their patterns, which are stuck in the 1960's before people used scopes. So long as they're selling all they can make they're not going to fix their product. It's frustrating because there really aren't any alternatives for the M70 to get a decent stock. This LAW stock looks like it might be it. I don't have any M70 builds planned, but if I did I'd try one of these.

That stock would tear up your cheek. Mcmillan's painted texture is a little rough on the cheek. I have knocked it down with sandpaper in the past.

McMillan really needs to bring back the G&H stock. They told me that the mold for this stock has been destroyed, but maybe if enough people kept asking for it...

Well, I'm 200 rounds in and I've not felt or noticed.
But it's also not a 300 ultra either.

my stock that Nathan installed has the same texture and It doesnt bother me at all...its a 308 winchester

The stocks from Pacific Research had unbelievable checkering and the Polane T had the perfect texture, the guy that sprayed there stocks was very good!

^^^ Fact ^^^

That's a fact ^^^^. I own one for Left hand Rem 700. I would like to paint it or dip it. However, am afraid of filling in the checkering. Hands down, the best checkering I have felt on a synthetic stock.

Agreed--it was the best synthetic checkering. That is why I wouldn't want all the new molds to go with texture only.

I don't find texture as "grippy" when really wet; and it does not keep your hands warm whatsoever compared to checkering.

Rick, what is the width of the stock through the action?

OK, I'll bite - how does checkering keep your hands warm(er)?

Not to worry. Several years ago I had a couple of my Rimrock/Pacific Research stocks professionally painted by B&C. IMHO, properly applied paint has a minimal effect on the checkering. I haven't notice any discernible difference between the painted and 'naked' Rimrocks.

I have had the original Rimrock stock/ Jim Borden built Rimrock stocks and a stock painted with Nathans textured paint and the checkering doesnt come close to the grip you get from the painted stock...

I to like the look of the checkering but found it to be so fine it never helped me to grip the stock at all

My favorite stock for a Winchester model 70

The parts are with my smith at the moment, I can't check that for a few weeks.

If you want, send a PM to BRNO284 on here, he is my stock guy and has the stock in hand. If you ask nicely I suspect he will measure for you.

I talked with LAW and through the action it is 1.85"

How did we get to LAW from Rimrock/Pacific Research?

It's the CF where anything is possible.

I assume that what is happening is that the small air gaps in the checkering allow the air to be trapped by your hands and warm up. OR, maybe it's that there is actually less surface-area contact with the stock overall.

But try a smooth or textured stock next to a checkered one when it's really cold outside, and the difference is almost immediately felt.