Hey folks. I posted a question regarding barrel contours,and Pac Nor came to the surface. Well liked and a good following here on the "Fire". How about some pics of their handy work. Rifles,groups,you know the drill. Thanks!

3-shot group, 358 win, 100 yards. Pac-nor 22" bbl



Interarms long action, BC Stock, Pac-nor 22"

PacNor installed the barrel, fluted the bolt and bead blasted. Fast turn around time.
7-08 Rem Mountain Rifle Contour. Very accurate and not picky about loads.
Nosler 140 BT Load

Pac-Nor is my go-to manufacturer for Savage Precision Target Action and Remington 700 prefit barrels using a barrel nut. I do have a Remington 40X they barreled for me in .22-250 Remington using a standard install.

Below is a 10 shot, 100 yard group, with a 50 grain Berger .204 bullet (discontinued) in a Pac-Nor 1:8.5" twist 24" varmint contour barrel on a Savage action:



Below a 10 shot, 100 yard group, from a Savage .223 Remington with a Pac-Nor polygonal rifled 1:9" twist 24" varmint contour barrel. 40 Grain Nosler BT Lead Free bullet. I really like the polygonal rifling, easy to clean and accurate:



The aforementioned Remington 40X in 22-250 Remington produced this 10 shot group at 100 yards, using the 36 grain Barnes Varmint Grenade. The flier was a hiccup on the Jewel trigger.



Below: Same Remington 40X as above but with a 50 grain Barnes varmint Grenade. I selected a 1:10" twist recommended by Barnes as the minimum twist rate for this bullet, later I discovered that a 1:9" twist is more accurate.



Below: A Remington 700 with a Pac-Nor 24" 1:10" twist polygonal rifled varmint contour barrel in .308 Winchester and a Vais muzzle brake. This barrel uses the Rem-Nut and I installed it myself, actually I cobbled the whole mess together.



10 Shot, 100 yard group from above rifle, using a 150 grain Barnes MPG bullet (similar to a large Varmint Grenade) I jerked the trigger a couple of times, but you get the idea.



Hope that helps demonstrate what can be expected with Pac-Nor barrels, at least with varmint contours.

It always amazed me how people could give Pac Nor $650 for a barrel and installation when Dave at IT&D will barrel w/Douglas barrel and the complete job for barrel and install is only $300. To each his own I guess. powdr

Let's see pics of your ITD's then powdr.

Couldn't find any paper so I PacNor'd a dink...

But then you have the only barrel brand I've had horrible luck with 3 times in a row... Douglas....

no pics/targets at the moment.......

have used Pac-Nor for 15+ yrs....Savage pre fits.....

20 cals up to 358 win........

never a bad one....they build 'em just how you order them......

I do miss Penny though......

This is the only Pac Nor I have. It's on a Sako AII action.. Was already installed when I got the rifle.

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Hey gunnut308. What did you whack that dink with?

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God Bless,

Steve

I have one Pac Nor on my .22-250 AI.. A great shooter.. I would buy another in a heart beat..

Anybody shot Pac-nor's polygonal rifling lately? I've got 3 in the starting blocks waiting for my lazy azz to send them off to the smith. Just thought I'd try them.

Otter.... I used this .308 win that "Redneck" on here barreled for me.

That's pretty sweet.

Yep, and it shot great. Very accurate rifle, but their version of "polygonal" is not really true polygonal...unless they sent me the wrong barrel. Best way to describe it is 6 groove ramped rifling. Kind of 5R but with an extra land. The lands in the barrel I have are definitely flat on the top of the land. True polygonal rifling has no corners or flats...everything is supposed to be curved. At least it is in every polygonal rifled barrel I have seen, with one exception..Black Hole Weaponry. It is strange, but then it works great too!!
This barrel shot good right out of the gate, no to very little break in.

That's contrary to the definition of polygon.

Maybe so, but then so are a whole lot of barrels out there!!! What does the definition of polygonal rifling say???? My point being, why don't they just call it what it is??? 6R

Describing polygonal rifling in such a way that it isn't actually polygonal is like describing this as a red car:

Well....you'll just have to find a way to get over it...or not. You could also cry to Glock, Steyr, Kahr and all the other polygonal barrels out there with no corners or flats. I doubt they will care any more than I do.

It's all good. I enjoy driving my Chevy Mustang.

I had Pac Nor rebarrel a Kimber 7mm-08 Montana. Factory dupe length and contour, still in 7mm-08, but 1 in 9" polygonal rifling. Not cheap but they did a wonderful job, and now it is a very accurate, very unfussy rifle. I also appreciate how neatly they mark the chambering on their barrels. To me that's an obvious sign of quality work.

Only problem with Pac Nor is how long you have to wait to get one. I can get barrels elsewhere in 1-3 weeks and don't see the point in waiting. Unless you are shooting competitive benchrest, pretty much all the mainstream barrel makers will supply you a barrel of better accuracy than most sporter rifles will shoot anyway.

Never had a bad Pac Nor- not dissing them, just referencing how long the wait is.

Ha! I like to think I was responsible for that. About 10 years ago I raised hell on these forums about getting my pac-nor barreled 257 roberts back with the chambering marked with a stamp, a stamp that wasn't even aligned correctly. It looked like chit to put it mildly. I went on for a month or so about that, it irked me to spend $500 (at the time) and get back a barrel that looked like it'd been stamped by a third grader. A few months later Pac-Nor started engraving the chambering.

So I'm taking credit for them fixing that, whether or not it's actually true.

took about 4 months to get mine done, a turnkey job. Lots of smiths refuse to work on Montanas. It was also a nonstandard barrel, matching the factory length & contour.

My experience also. I called every barrel company I could find trying to get one that would match the extremely light contour of the six lug Weatherby. Not only would they match it they would make it 26" instead of 24". Below is a photo of three three shot groups at 100 yards with my .257SLR. One can see the 1" grid printed on the other side of the paper.

Edited to add: They also fluted the barrel.

I've read an article about PacNor using a Sunnen honing machine to eliminate the post drilling/reaming, pre-rifling lapping operation. Those who do the lapping after rifling say the feel of the honed then rifled bores is more consistent.

True, but then you need to send it to a gunsmith and wait on the gunsmith, and with lots of them you're better off having it done turnkey.

They cerakote now too.

I believe Dennis fits and chambers his own barrels.

Not certain what all pixie dust Pac-nor uses, I just know that the work they do has been top-notch and spot on with the one's I've sent to them.

I was just trying to decide which way to go myself. Have Pac Nor do the truing and fitting,or have a smithy buddy of mine mount the barrel. I asked him his opinion of Pac Nor barrels and he said he had 3 of them on order right now. Loves them. He isn't that busy,so the wait time for him to true,mount,chamber would be decent.

I was surprised the selection of reamers Pac Nor has on hand. They aren't limited to sloppy neck dimensions. I wouldn't have any reservations with them doing the job. Very friendly and informative people.

The two they've done for me were excellent shooters but no better than a Douglas fitted by IT&D at half the price. I can't see buying a $500 rifle and then turn around and spend $600 or more to rebarrel it. Just me. powdr

They do top notch work.

6.5x47 Lapua, 223ai, 6.5-06, 6x47 Lapua, 280ai, 280ai, 280ai.

All of them are excellent shooters.

Let's see some pics then powdr. Don't be shy.

Dave charged me $440 for a Douglas barrel job on my Montana. FWIW

I was expecting 5 grooves, too. But counted 6 and thought....WTF?? But glad to hear that they shoot good.

223ai Montana, 75amax, 282 yds.

Like the OP?

I don't know about that, I was just thinking out loud about why the difference for Dennis' purposes.

I have killed a lot of animals with pac-nor.
I have killed a lot of animals with Shilen, Lothar Walther, Krieger, original Ruger, and original Browning.

I think all barrels are priced at just about what they are worth. I am buying so many Shilen stainless select match #3 taper, because I can get a wholesale break.

Everyone else hears "amateur gunsmith building his own rifles" and says, "you are a retail customer".

Sent you a pm longdog.

my most accurate rifle is a Pac Nor Barrel reject.. before he got big and famous, he was just a local guy trying to get into gunsmithing.. he'd worked for PacNor over in Brookings..

but John Noveske, sold me a 6mm Stainless Barrel, threaded it and chambered it in 6mm Rem on a Rem 700 LA, recommended an 11 degree crown....1 in 7 twist... all for $75!

He was up front that it was a Pac Nor Reject....

Got multiple barrels on rifles, that were Pac Nor "Rejects", that I got from Noveske and him doing the work on them, each are among the most accurate rifles I have.

Yes, Dennis does all of his own work on his lathe.

Cut's to length, reams out the chamber, and crowns the barrel.

He's done a few for me. Can't thank him enough for all of his help over the last 6-7 years.

Pacnor $325

Krieger $325

Why pacnor?

For me, three reasons:

1) Never had a problem with a P-N barrel but have with Krieger. And I do realize that some can say the exact opposite.

2) Turnkey re-barreling. And coating now too.

3) Barrel contours. I don't believe Kreiger is as flexible especially with lightweight contours.

Why Krieger?

And from what I've seen the same thing can be said about most any pair of barrel makers you name.

I do not have a bore scope, but I do put a fiber optic up the bore and I can see the bore at the point of focus of my magnifier, as well as a bore scope... but just at that one cross section.

I have lots of Pac Nor barrels
They make good ones and so-so ones, depending on which barrel.

I have lots of Shilen barrels
They make good ones and so-so ones, depending on which barrel.

I have lots of Krieger barrels.
They are all good. I have yet to look inside a Krieger that was not mirror polished down in the grooves.


Why am I buying Shilen barrels?
Because I can get the select match Shilens [good as the best pac nor or as good as any Kriger] at a discount.

I have to order 6 months in advance.


Some sucker paid $450 to get this Krieger threaded and chambered and engraved, and painted in 300WinMag.
The muzzle was threaded wrong.
Muzzles should be 1/2-28 or 5/8-24.
This one was 1/2-24.
The barrel for $103 off Ebay. I cut off the muzzle, cut Mosin threads, put it on a Mosin Nagant and shot a buck in Oct 2015