What would it look like? What action? I'm thinking of a nice walkin' around rifle for mostly whitetail deer and the occasional groundhog.
I'd probably rebarrel a Modle 7, but I'd go with a 257. That's me and there's nothing wrong with the 250. capt david <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
KYWII,
How about a Remington 700 stainless steel short action, Lilja #2 stainless barrel @ 21" with a 1-10 twist, McMillan Sako Hunter stock with a blind magazine swirled olive/grey/black(60/20/20) @ 13.5" L.O.P. to a 1" Decelerator pad, all metal coated in Birdsong's Black-T teflon in a matte black, and topped off with a Swarovski 1" 3-9x36 with a 4a reticle sitting in Talley Lightweight rings.
RS
I'd build another 23" 25-284,on a Remington....................
I was thinking more along the lines of a rem700 ss short action w/ a PacNor #4 contour 22" fluted 1:10" twist ... dropped in a McM classic, topped with a Leupold 4-12x40 AO w/ an M1 turret on top ...
I still think it would be clever to re-barrel a Kimber Montana 84M to 257 Roberts or 250AI. Lots of money to spend just being clever though.
I would buy a short action CZ (like a .243) With good wood, have it blueprited and re-barreled by PAC-NOR , and live happily ever after with my accurate little CRF rifle and its wonderful set trigger.
Winchester built what you're looking for in 1986, the Win 70 Lightweight Carbine in 250-3000. If you swap the lightweight stock for a featherweight stock it is a pretty neat looking outfit.
Or, I'd build it on a Rem 660 action with a 22" barrel and a McM MR style stock in 70/30 light green and white.
Or, I'd buy a Rem 700 Classic, put it in a 700 LSS MR stock, and (maybe) cut the barrel from 24" to 22".
Or, I'd buy a Ruger 77 RSI.
I have all of the rifles that I've suggested and think that I'd opt for a stainless Rem 7 bedded into the Rem custom shop's laminated mannlicher stock and chambered for 260.
Jeff
Savage 16 weather warrior with accu-trigger and screw on a Pac-Nor barrel. Or the aforementioned Model 7.
Mark Penrod built one for me on a Rem Model Seven SS action. Krieger in a std Remington contour (I like the little bit of extra weight) cut to 20", bedded in a H-S Precision stock, Leupold 2.5x8 scope, Talley Ltwt rings. Sweet...
The first custom I had built many years ago was the 250-3000 on a pre 64 M-70. Used a Hart barrel in a #4 contour and reused the Win stock. Still shoots great after 3000+ rounds.
Nathan
260Remguy,
Didn't Winchester go with the stinkin' old 1:14" twist on those?
mathman
KWII,
I picked up a compact tang-safety model Ruger M77 several years back for a modest sum. It is in my "grandkid" collection waiting for the next one coming up. It is a nice, light rifle, and would work nicely for the application you describe.
jim
That's easy...Model 7 action in matte blue, McMillan Swirly (60% Forest Green; 20% Dark Grey; 20% White) in either a Mountain Rifle or Model 7 configuration w/a blind magazine, a 22" #2 contour SS Lilja barrel and I'd top it off with a VX-III 2.5-8.
If'n funds were to tight for the above, I'd rebarrel a Model 7 CDL and probably be just as happy.
Gee, I wish you guys would be more specific! I have a model 7 Mannlicher Bob from the custom shop so won't go that route. Kind of like the idea of the 700 titanium if I could find one, and also the CZ except for that darn detachable magazine. How about an old SAKO L579 action? Twentyone inches of barrel is enough and I don't want any more scope than a Leupold 2.5 - 8, but I really lean toward a straight VX III 6. Not sure how I would stock it, but it would have to be classic.
My wife bought two(!) M77RSI in 250-3000 back in 1986 from a women(38 years old with three kids) after her husband traded her in for a 22-year old nurse!
The wife gave $500.00 for the pair!
She called me at the base and asked if she could dig into the savings account for a real good deal on some guns!
When I got home we went over there and I bought a Redhawk SS 357mag and a Redhawk SS 44mag for $225.00 each.
We had been married just weeks when the wife did this deal,
and twenty years later she still views purchasing guns as a "Investment"! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Mike
Dang, looks like the 38 old year old with three kids got screwed by everyone.........
Correct, 1 turn in 14" twist for the 20" barreled 70 Lwt Carbines.
Jeff
I've been toying with this idea myself. The game plan is a Sako L579 action, McMillan Sako style stock, ans a 20-22" #2-3 barrel.
My 250AI has a #2 barrel at 21". If I do another it would be a #1 at the same length.
I have three 25-284's...22",23" and 24".
It shoots so soft,so accurately and hits so hard,that I couldn't see going the opposite direction in powder capacity.
The two oldest started shooting the 23 incher with Warp Nine 75's(3700fps+),at 8yrs of age and the only complaint I get,is when I'm slack on reloading duties.
The 22 incher is on a S/S Sucks 700,the 23" on a 600 and the 24" on a blued Sucks 700. The shorties are on McMillan Mountain Rifle patterns,the 24" on a Classic.
For portable precision that really puts a whack on stuff,it'd be tough to do better............................
Ooops...contours run #1,#1 and #3,shortest to longest and all are twisted 10"...........................
I have a 250AI barrel that I bought from Mule Deer within the last month or 2. I was going to make a 25-284 out of it, but will gladly sell it, so that you can scratch your 250 itch! I don't really need another 25-284, but I know that I need it more than another 250-3000 or 250AI.
Jeff
I'd look long and hard for Kurz Mauser action and build a Mannlicher stocked rifle.
Which action for a .250-3000? That�s easy, a Swede Mauser would be dandy. Barrels are available at Brownell�s and you won�t find a better quality action for a low pressure cartridge anywhere.
Why a compromised action,for a chambering that employs readily available brass,which operate at pressure levels commensurate with same?
I don't get it..........................
I think that a late production 1938 action would be a pretty safe action. The only downside of the pre-1898 Mauser style action, besides the cock on closing feature, is the smaller gas shield and the action's ability to handle escaping gas. How often do you reload to the point of blowing primers? Frank DeHaas felt that a Swedish Mauser in good condition could safely be rebarreled to 308, which is not generally considered a low pressure cartridge. That said, I think that if a guy/gal is going to spend $$ on a serious rifle, there are several actions that are better options. My 1943 Husqvarna is a nice action, but I put far too much $$ into it and would have been way ahead of the curve if I'd put that $$ into a Rem 700 action.
Jeff
KyWindageII:
My 250-3000 was made by Flaig's in 1963 using a SAKO L579 Action and a No.2 contour 24.5 inch Douglas Premium Barrel having a 1/12 inch twist. I believe that the gunstock is cherrywood, and appears to have been a semi-inletted blank finished by the first owner. This Action suits the 250-3000. Feeding is so smooth that it is difficult to tell that cartridges are being stripped from the magazine and chambered. I cannot say this about many of my other rifles. The rifle is accurate. Without too much difficulty, I developed Deer Loads that group less than an inch and GroundHog Loads that group less than 3/4 inch at 100 yards. Scope Mounting is a little less flexible than for other Actions. I normally use the Burris/Redfield two piece bases and Burris Signature Rings to mount scopes on my SAKOs. I chose a Leupold FXII 6X36 to mount on this rifle because of the great fore/aft mounting flexiblility.
Changes I would make if putting together a 250-3000 today: A shorter barrel (22 inch?), a faster twist (1/10 inch?), a synthetic stock, and a variable scope to better suit this dual purpose cartridge.
I think the choice of the 250-3000 cartridge for Deer and Varmint hunting at normal eastern hunting ranges is a good one. It is powerful enough and shoots flat enough to be effective on Deer and Groundhogs. Because it burns less powder, it is easier on barrels, kicks less, and is inherently more accurate, than any of the bigger 25 cal. alternatives. (All else being equal.) Consequently it will be superior in the light-weight Walking Varminter role.
rollinghills
My hierarchy of short action 25s would be:
1. 25-284 with >/= 22" barrels
2. 25 Souper with </= 22" barrels
3. 257 Roberts or 257AI, flip a coin or take your pick
4. 250-3000 or 250AI, flip a coin or take your pick
If you don't mind the Winchester 70 action, the 25 WSSM is very impressive. You have to run them at/near full throttle, but man do they shoot!
Jeff
I've got a 25-284 built on a remmie 600, 23" #1 Pac-Nor. It's the cats Meow of 25's
Were I going to build a 250-3000, it would be on a Ruger compact with an 17" #1 barrel. Light and fast pointing. Kinda like a factory 10/22
Virgil B.
You know...that itty-bitty #1 angle,is sorta intriguing.............
You know...that itty-bitty #1 angle,is sorta intriguing.............
Better yet, a small action Hagn or one of those sveldt Dakotas. I'd prefer the small Hagn.
The '10 is a sweet sumbitch.....................
I can appreciate the concept of the striker instead of the hammer. Goes a long way to helping make accuracy a bit easier to accomplish. Though a man can dude up a No.1 in all sorts of ways before reaching the cost of the Dakota. The 10 is a sveldt madam, nothing compared to the small frame Hagn though.
I think I just came up with a formula for another rifle I NEED!
(grin) This should be a BlackTail killin sumbitch!
Virgil B.
I think if I was to build a .250 to go with the two factory models I already use, it would be duded up with nice wood and the trimmings. Kind of like that 7x57 Mannlicker BForrest(think it was him) has shown from time to time. Might not be as practical as the Stick formula .25-284s, but would sure warm the heart whenever I held it. Would make a hell of a rifle for whitetails and groundhogs too.
Bah, drop the bolt action nonsense and for a .250, use a Savage 99.
funny you should ask, I did just that. mine started as a model 70 compact, sent it to douglas for a new barrel in 250-3000 and they duplicated the original contour. dropped it right in the stock and good to go. so far, kids have shot 7 deer with it, all one-shot kills. love that little 250 and they are not afraid to shoot it.