Savage dudes,

What is all this Pre-Mill talk I see in this Savage forum? Just what does Per-mill mean?
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serial number less than one million.

Happened in 1960. Pre-1960 (aka, pre-mil) rifles are much more desirable to collectors than the post-1960 (aka, postmil) rifles. They moved the manufacturing and changed a lot of the parts and models.

After WWII (1946) Savage merged their long-time production from Utica, NY into the Stevens plant at Chicopee Falls, MA (they had owned Stevens for years before this). Quality of the Model 99 line appeared not to suffer and life was still good in the world of Savage. In 1960 Savage moved production to Westfield, MA and this was coincident to serial numbers reaching the 1 million mark. After the move to Westfield, collectors, aficionados, and admirers generally agree that "post-mil" quality turned South. Internals less rugged, configuration short cuts, degraded quality wood, general quality control also declined. The post-mil models don't have the appeal of the pre-mil units and don't get no respect from serious collectors, which you will find in abundance hereabouts.

Thanks fellow Saavge Dudes for the replies.

I thought I fell and woke up in another Twight Zone. Pre-mil this Post-mil this. What rubbish. And now I see the rage in 99's is the old Pre-mil,as some call 'em, 30-30 cal. rifles. One wonders what will be next? 303's or those ooooooooh so baddddddd detachable clip 99's. Hell, fellars I have all of the above and just thought they were 99's. Sooooooo if I understand correctly. The pre-mil's are better than the post-mil's? The old pre-mil 303-30's are wayyyyyyyyy coolllllllllllllllll now and my post-mils I have are just chitttt?
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Only you know what you have so call them whatever you want.

Post mils shoot very well. I have a 358 Brush Gun that will beat out most bolts. But the old ones do have more class.

RAS

Post-mils make fine hunting rifles and the clip model has the advantage over the pre-mils by having a clip rather than the rotary magazine which means the post-mil "C" models can be unloaded safely by simply removing the clip together with the live rounds in the clip and ejecting the round in the chamber.

The pre-mils must "lever" each round through the receiver (but not necessarily into the rifle's chamber) causing unloading the rifle to take longer and be less convenient.

Post-mils are well-made rifles compared with OTHER brands of rifles... just not quite as well-made as the pre-mils Savage Model 99s.

So don't throw your post-mils away... they're still excellent hunting rifles and come in a wide variety of great hunting calibers, namely in .243 Winchester, .250 Savage, .300 Savage, .284 Winchester, .308 Winchester and .358 Winchester.

I hope this explanation helps you more fully understand that even the post-mils are desireable rifles... just NOT as desireable as the pre-mils.


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.

Chill out, there, 99savage308. Lots of guys here have postmil 99's - I have a 1967 99DL in 284, because 284's were only made after 1960. And my first several deer seasons were spent with a 99C. They are what they are, and a LOT of them are great hunting rifles. It's what they were designed to be, and most do it very well.

But that being said... a pre-1960 Savage 99 in identical condition to a post-1960 Savage 99 is going to be worth a lot more if they are chambered for the same cartridge.

Just the same as the pre-64 Winchesters versus post-64 Winchesters.

I'd love to have a Savage 99 358 Brush Gun. I really like both the 358 Winchester and the Savage 99 - it was a good marriage!

About the only time I can think of when a clip-fed 99 has a distinct advantage over a rotary magazine is when one has to unload it in a big hurry. I can't think of an instance where that would be the case except maybe if you have a loaded 99 (bolt open) laying in the bed of a truck while eating your lunch, and a game warden is spotted coming down the road. Not that I would know about that. (Think Chuck Connors ripping through a magazine full with his lever action in "The Rifleman.")

The other time when a clip-fed 99 has a distinct advantage
is when ya need to slap a clip in for quick shot also!

See, now.. we don't have that problem in Nebraska. Loaded rifles in your vehicle are perfectly legal during deer season if you have an unfilled permit. Legal the rest of the year regardless. Shotguns have to be unloaded, though, and that's a scary thing to watch somebody try to do quickly in confined quarters.

Huh. In Maryland you can be busted for even leaning a loaded rifle (magazine full) against a motor vehicle, even with the bolt open. Don't even think about shooting from a motor vehicle, even out in the middle of the woods. At least don't get caught.

yeah, what gnoahhh said. In NY, loaded firearms are a big NO NO in any vehicle. I have a friend that got a ticket last Nov. because he leaned his loaded firearm against his ATV, and a game warden happened to be driving down the road at the same time. He wasn't even taking the ATV into the woods, he just needed his hands to zipper his jacket, but the GW didn't want to hear it.

and to the OP... Post-mil 99's just plain don't work. The bullets just bounce off the hides of game animals :-). Sorry, I couldn't help myself! Seriously, what others have said is true (about value and craftsmanship), but I own and hunt pre and post million s/n 99's and I think they are both great rifles.

Happy hunting. -TomT

Post mils are chitt and you are mandated to discard them immediately. You are ordered to ship them to a secure disposal unit, which just happens to resemble my gun safe. Here are your shipping instructions:

Savage Post mil Disposal
c/o Hatari
Atlanta, GA

Doing so quickly will save you from further public ridicule.

Since I'm such a humanitarian, just stick in a $50 bill with each rifle.

PM SENT

Hahahahahahahahahahaha... at least we've got a good sense of humor, eh?!?

Here in Florida if your not in a public camp ground there is no difference between a loaded or unloaded gun. I am in law enforcement and I tell people all the time that an UNLOADED gun is useless. Now as a hunter safety instuctor I'll tell them to keep the chamber clear when in a vehicle.

An unloaded gun isn't exactly useless. Most of them make damn fine clubs.

little bit hard on the furnitre though