Got a nice 4 point today with my winchester model 71 in 33 cal. with 200 grain soft point.

Neat! Re-barreled M71?

You easterners... WHat the heck is a 4 point? 2x2 w/o eyeguards?
Tell us about the gun Jed.

Nice job, Doug! That will be some fine eating! How much snow on the ground up there?

My son just sent photos of two more bucks and a doe they just shot large racks on the bucks good day hunting in the quarry.
gnoahhh the 71 is a factory 33cal.

Sorry Doug! Said Jed...

Rory we got 3 in. Fri. most gone today the boys lefy camp in Rangley with about 8 in. of snow thursday night to ome home and hunt on snow in the pits and quarry this time it payed off

We ALL understand.............

Really nice talking with you. We're gonna take you up on that chowda...................... There is life beyond a Savage. Glad we agree. Heading to Anticosti in the morning. The trip of a lifetime taken annually.

We call that a "Y-Buck" in PA.

Doug, nice on your deer,but that 33 cal model 71 should be over here with my other model 71's. I haven't even been out yet Steen got a 207 lb 7 pointer yesterday. I been rebuilding my other Lombard ,trying to get all i can done before my outdoor garage gets snow in it !!!! Don

Need pics of the Lombard, or it doesn't exist. LOL, Joe.

That's great. Never saw a 71 in .33 WCF but I've heard about them and have seen them in old Winchester salesman literature. I also hunt with a .33 but it's the run of the mill 1886 kind.

Fug

Any ideal of number of 33 cal 71's mfg? Any knowledge of other cals in the 71? Other than 348. GW

Good for you and the boys.

Sounds like your getting it done! Hopefully pics follow.

Here is my understanding of eastern versus western "point" counting.

Eastern= count all points you can hang a ring on on both sides. End it with ER as in thirty pointER.

Western= count one side all points bigger than an inch. Do not count the eye gaurd. If both sides have same amount call it just by one side.As in a four point. If sides vary call it a 4 by 5 or whatever.

Calling them a 4 by 4 is IMO very gay.(Very qausi eastern)

A pic of the 71 in that caliber is required!

Oldtimer 303
Only a few in 33WCF were done at the factory I have been told of some that have been rebarreled the factory ones will have the barrel markeing of Wichester with out the 348 markeings also a
few were made in 45-70 those of you who know Ron Rondo will recall the the Model 71 collection he sold many years back in it were 33WCF and 45-70.

You learn something new every day. I thought a model 71 was a one caliber proposition. I'd like to see it.

Or a "fork horn".

There was a very well done history and analysis on the 71 by Bert Hartman in the Fall 2013 Winchester Collector Magazine. There were only two .33 caliber and one .45-70 verified among the 600 guns surveyed. Extrapolated data reflecting total production estimated that less than 4.5% of Model 71s were chambered in either .33(66% of the remaining 4.5%) or .45-70 (33%" ").

On a side note there was also an article in The Collector magazine verifying that Winchester made an attempt at chambering the 1894 in 22 High Power and apparently there were a couple made. I don't remember reading what they planned on using for a bullet in the tube magazine. Does anyone else here get that magazine by chance? It's worth the membership dues if you are interested in Winchester at all.

Nice going Doug! I rembering talking about what guns we used to hunt deer with and you talked about the 33win. md 71! been hunting with my beater "T" in 300sav. no luck yet be heading out again shortly!

Recently got some 33 Winchester cartridges in a deal. Now I have an excuse to look for a 71 in 33 cal. Think I would rather have the 45-70 though. Already have some of that ammo to. Unlikely that my spouse would buy that kind of reasoning. Well could always use but honey its a wise investment. GW

This is a very enjoyable thread. I can't picture myself hunting with a rifle as rare as M71 in .33 but I am aware many of you here can I think most agree that among vintage rifle collectors, Savage collectors hunt with their rifles more than other group. On the topic of the .33, a very rare one to keep your eyes open for is the Winchester M1886 saddle ring carbine variation. You will find a heck of a lot more .50 caliber SRC's vs. .33.

By the way, let's not forget that Winchester was not the only company that made rifles in .33:

Boltman

Nice Marlins. I was just thinking about that.

Speaking of carbines; there was a group of five or six 1886 .33 rifles in my neighborhood back when Dad was a kid. I got a chance to look at one of those rifles a few years ago. It was a standard 33 WCF rifle configuration, all factory original, but it had been made with a SRC receiver. I imagine SRC 1886 sales were slow late in production and they used those up? Unfortunately there was just a big hole in the receiver were the saddle ring would have been. The owner said his father had taken the stud out and made an enlarged hole in the receiver to hold the bracket that held the flashlight.

Supposedly Winchester made less then 10 model 71's in .33 caliber, and less in the 45-70,and if i remember right 1 or 2 in 45-90. 1 of the .33's in Berts survey was Fug's. Boltman nice Marlins!! I only have 1 Marlin 1895 left in .33 cal one went down the road.I still got 4 or 5 1886 Winchesters in .33 hanging around.

Brad - If in fact the 1886 .33 was original, it could have been a parts clean-up gun. Another possibility is it was shipped as a SRC and later sent back and the configuration changed. Also, a rifle could be special ordered with a, "sling ring." By the way, I have seen one or two .33's in the configuration you described. Might have been the same gun.

Don - I did have the vague recollection of one M71 in .45/90. Wow - that would be one to have!

In bringing this back to Savages, here is one that is suggested to be, "special order":

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=453509957

I seriously doubt anyone will be upset over posting this particular live auction. It's already been around at least once. Actually, this one might not be a bad woods hunter. Except for the, "special order aspect" it is a pretty decent first model EG

The special order must have been for savage to attach the front sight with screws to a cut barrel !!!!

Also called a "Fork Horn" here in Michigan

The 45-90 is a new thought to me, as long as we are off topic I have thought about putting together a siamese mauser in 33wcf and still may if the right action appears.

I got to thinking about Winchester M1892's special order short carbines I have seen over the years. I can think of legitimate carbines in the following lengths: 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 inch barrels. I have also seen M1892 rifles in 14, 15, 16 and 18 inch lengths. Has anyone seen a factory Savage in any of those lengths? There's quite a few short Winchester M1894 carbines and rifles out there too. In Marlin, there were short versions of the M1895 and M1894 that I can think of. I know a Marlin Collector in New Zealand who has a .45/90 with a 15 inch barrel. It would seem no one wanted a short Savage

So it was built on an 86 frame? l

Chris - it was a Marlin M1895 made by the factory with a 15 inch barrel. Marlin made quite a few 1895's with a 15 inch barrel ("quite a few" speaking relatively here - that is compared to for example how many .45/70's and .45/90 Wincheser chambered in the M71).

OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Super thread!