<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" /> Anyone have a Model 1922 that I could get some info on?

Got a couple. What do you want to know?

Hahahaha, I see the email addy worked. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for the reply. My questions are:

1) did they use the standard 1919, 5 round magazine?

2) there is no rear sight dovetail...did they use the 1904 single shot rifle sights (Sav 24B and 29B)?

Rick....

the mdl22 is pre 23 not pre 23A it was out way before the 23A . how do you know a 22 over a 23..serial # range if anyone has it please..I know the differance do you??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


1. yes they used the 1919 magazine...
2. should have a rear sight on barrell.
3. barrell should be 23in long from front of bolt to muzzle.
4. bolt should have the duel firing pins like the 1919.
5. Rear sight is held on by a single screw and has a small screw for elevation adjustment.
6. drilled and tapped for a receiver sight like the 1919 (peep)

They only made a very few. most people think the 23 is a 22 but it is not. they made a lot of 23s for several years before the 23A came out...

Here's some fun for you Hubert, which one is the 1922 and which is the 23A, 50/50 chance on this.

Never got a serial range, maybe Rick did. There were only a little over 500 of the 1922's ever made. Good thing that sucker was stateside. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

not at all hard it's thr bottom one... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hubert,

You got me going now...I've not seen reference to a "23". Savage parts manuals reference a cut-off serial of 25,000 for the 1922, no reference to a 23. The only difference I can think of is that the ejection port might be smaller on the 1922???

I got a statement confused from a collectors book it said the mdl22 supreceded the mdl 23. it probly ment the 23 series starting with the23A. it's been a while sience I messed with mine. I will dig them all out of the safe and see what I have. my mdl22 (The one I beleive is a22 ) ser# is 395X it has the small ejector port and bolt the same as the first 1919 rifles..I looked in my parts book and it says what you are saying . I hashed this all out 10 to 15 years ago but kept poor records.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Any details would be great!

Not much in print about these. I have the Jan. 1922 and the Jan. 1923 retail price sheets. The Mod.1922 is only listed in the 1923. I would guess production did not start till late 1922. Sales records show about 15,000 sold. Sales overlap with the 23A in 1924. It appears that the 23A did not hit the market till 1924.

Could these be upgraded by replacing the bolt with the newer 23A?

No, I think the bolts were too different. ie; 1 firing pin vs h style (dual)

I thought there were only 500 made and they were all made in 1922.. if it were made in 1923 it coulden't be a 22 model 1n 1923 the 23A came out and there were no 1922s prouduced as far as I know. I would sure like to know . I am going to letter mine. and see what happens...I beleive the parts manual lists to # 25000 because the 1919 was continued to be made and it used the same parts as the 1922 but the 1922 wasent made after 1922 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Wow, I was looking at the wrong line, Rick is indeed right.

The model 1922 was made in 1922 with over 1500, 1923 with over 12,000 and ended in 1924 with over 1500 again.

It was the model 1911 that only 500+ were made.

From a letter to the dealers dated Jan. 2, 1924..."the Model 1922 "Sporter" rifle has been discontinued and will be replaced by the Model 23-A Sporter". That statement pretty well backs up the sales figures I quoted. Looks like the 1922 was produced in 1922 and 1923 with cleanup in 1924. The 23-A production started in 1924.

wow . glad we got that straight. I will write that down for future referances//

Finaly found the reference for the sights. The rear is the same used on the Model`04, Savage 29B...uses a screw vs. a dovetail. The front is the 30B which was used on the Model `09, `11 and `12. This combination could also be used on the Model 1919 and is the reason there in a screw hole on top of the barrel in front of the ejection port. The following 23A sights were totally different.

I am having a mental problem with this. I have the savage reprint catalogs for 1922 # 62 and it lists themodel 22as avaible. I also have the 1923 reprint catalog # 63 and it only lists the 23A as avaible for 1923.. so as a result I am not that sure all those mdl 22 that people have are not mdl22 but early 23A s, does anyone have a Mdl22 lettered as such that was made in 1923?. I beleive the parts catalogs listed them with the mdl 1919 because they used the same parts. in my opnion at this time if it wasen't made in 1922 than its a mdl 23A which was the beginning of the changes. when the first change was made then it was no longer a mdl 22. which was enlarging of the ejector port. that would then make it a mdl23A..I am not trying to win an arguement just trying to get the facts straight. Savages records of production are flakey at best and cannot be counted on as fact. because they mixed serial numbers of differant models as far as I can see. so I think only the ones with the small ejection port are really mdl 22 s. there is nothing I can find that shows the 22 and 23A as being avaible the same year.. IMHO.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Did we ever reach resolution on this subject? I have a rifle that appears to be a 1922 as listed at the beginning of the thread, but has a large loading port. It is bigger than my early #444 1919 NRA match rifle, but smaller than 23A's, but nicely contoured and scalloped. The new 1922(?)rifle is #2864.

Any new thoughts in the last five years guys?????

Ric in Yakima

Holy crap, there are now 3 threads on the 1922 on the first page.

I dug out the sporter I have. Here are a few picts I think early 23A??
Thanks Chris

Yep, I think Rick said something about 1922's being under the 15000 serial range.

I don't remember sold all mine except for a bubbied one that I use.

The later parts manual states that the serial cutoff for the 1922 and the "old style 19" is 25,000.

In comparing the parts diagram for the 1922 and "old style 19" in a 1927 parts list there are no differences in the common parts.

The "old style 19" was replaced by the 19NRA and the 1922 was replaced by the 23A. The common parts for the 19NRA and the 23A are the same. Serial cutoff for these maodels are 45,000 for the 19NRA and 127,000 for the 23A.

Joe, for your info the front magazine retainer in the 1922 and the 19NRA/23A are the same.

Thanks Rick.

I think I see what happened now, someone tried to replace the rear retainer with a 23AA or a 19-33 NRA retainer which used the banana shaped mag and had a dual rib on the back of the mag. Now if I can just find an original rear retainer I'll be laughing, won't be hard finding the front retainer but the rear is gonna be a bitch, I've tried three different places already this morning and none have one.

Ric,

To continue from Hubert's lost posting...

the catalog was produced before the start of the new years with what Savage thought they would produce. The small retail/wholesale fliers sent out during the prodution years show a much better picture of what they were actually producing.

The fliers show that the Mdl 23A was not avilable till sometime in 1924 and Savage sales records show the Mdl 1922 was sold into 1924. This is all stated above in the earlier postings.

The "old style 19" (or Mdl 1919) and the Mdl 1922 had the duel firing pins. This did not change till the Mdl 19NRA and the 23A went into production. The new models have a different bolt, action and most internal parts.

The early production 1919's had a small square ejection port. This was opened up to allow for single cartridge feed. Some of these rifle will be found that were opened up by their owners.
I have questioned wheather there were 1922's with small port. I have not seen one and think the the large port was added to the action before the Mdl 1922 was produced. There is some difference in the appearance of the 23A port because of the new round top bolt vs the earlier flat topped.

I think it is the Blue Book that states that the Mdl 1922 was a rare low production rifle. The Savage sales records indicate that production was not that low making the rifle not that rare.

As with most Savage models there is always more to learn.

This is a common problem and something to check on models that use the early style magazine. I have run across many rifles with all types of bubbed fixes, of which most didn't work. The early rear mag retainer would be much easier to reproduce as it does not have the ejector built in.

I was looking at the retainers with the ejectors built in, I was wondering if you could just dremel the ejector off?

Then would it be the same?

In design it would be but I don't have the parts to verify that they are exact. I think it should work.

Have you checked with Tal35 to see if he has parts?

Todds a hard guy to get ahold of lately.

He has a couple pistol parts I need as well but I don't know if he's got internet.

Last time I talked to him was through email and I haven't seen him post on here since then either.

Thank you all for your help. This rifle has the serial number on the back of the receiver, under the cocking knob, "22 - long rifle" over the ejection port. No "savage sporter" markings, but the scalloped port. Pictures could be available if you have a way of posting them. ric

Your describing a model 1922.