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Posted By: PSH Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
I have, for some time, been lusting for an Ivory scaled bowie for what ever reason. I recently ended up in a trade with a gentleman from PA that told me he was a knife maker. During the course of our conversations he sent me some pics and although crappy pictures, the knives looked pretty good. I googled his name, and found nothing on him. In talking with him, I learned that he really did not make knives to sell as he said "there's no money in them". He said that he mainly made knives for gifts, or to give to local charities to raffle off, and then they give him a portion of the proceeds. He did say that he had been working with steel since he was a kid.

Not knowing anything about him, I was skeptical of what I might get if I worked something in on the trade so I wanted to be sure that I would come out ok on the deal. At the culmination of the deal he got my stuff, I got his, to include three of his bowie knives. Small, medium and large. I received the largest of the knives today and I'm fairly impressed with the knife.

Since I am not a knife expert by any stretch of the imagination I thought I would post a couple of pics here for those more familiar to critique. I'm looking to learn from what others see I guess. The gentleman claims that he has had this knife sell for in the 750 range with exhibition curly maple as scales. I have no idea whether this is true or not. Blade is just shy of 10 inches. He has cut these blanks from a large commercial saw blade. Scales are old "bark" walrus ivory with brass liners. The ivory really "pops" with the brass.

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Posted By: cranky72 Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
hard to tell if those are fitting gaps at handle & bolster. if the photos were better a definitive opinion on handle & grinds could be offered.old saw blades are usually l6 alloy or similar but the heattreat decides whether the blade is a good performer.--cranky72
Posted By: Mink Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
As Crank mentioned, its all about the HT. That will determine how functional it is.

F&F seem fairly good from the pics.

One note, I would think a maker that had been in the biz as long as he states would have moved to some better steels by now. Not saying saw blades aren't "good enough", but you would think he would be into stainless or forged carbon like 1095 by now.

Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it. grin
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
After posting I looked at the pics and knew they weren't of the best quality. Going to be taking some more pics of stuff a little later, and I will try and get a few better ones and post them.

In talking with him, some of the knives he initially showed me, he stated, "these are for flesh cutting only". He told me that he had not built them to be used for truly hard use. I told him that if I was going to have a bowie, I wanted to be able to use it for what it was intended, "hard use". Upon it's arrival, I ripped it out of the box and promptly removed two fairly large dead branches from my apple tree with it. No damage was noted, and the edge remained sharp.

All of the information I have on him, came from him, so I have to take anything with a "grain of salt". He stated that he got his start working with steel as a kid, his dad was a water well driller, and he would sharpen and treat bits. I do not believe that he has much for tools, so I get the feeling his stuff is labor intensive, hence why he say's "there's no money in them". He talks alot about working in the dark and watching the color of the steel during his process.

I'll try and get some better pics.
Posted By: R_H_Clark Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
It depends on his market if he actually gets that much. People who actually know knives know what to look for but if he is in a tourist area then saw mill blades and a slightly rougher appearance might actually help him sell.

I know what he means about no money in it. I have made and sold quite a few knives.

Actually the intended purpose for Bowie knives is a weapon, not a chopper. I make my bowie knives light and fast with thin high grinds. They are intended to mess a man up, not chop wood. Originally a gun would be empty fast with no fast reloads and a bowie could often be used to better effect in close quarters.
Posted By: Dan308 Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
that knife looks pretty good to me. Some "bark" walrus ivory scales that are 4 1/2 x 1 1/2 would cost in the $200 range and many are even higher. I would think the guy based his price on the time and effort put into making that bowie
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
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Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
Originally Posted by cranky72
hard to tell if those are fitting gaps at handle & bolster. if the photos were better a definitive opinion on handle & grinds could be offered.old saw blades are usually l6 alloy or similar but the heattreat decides whether the blade is a good performer.--cranky72


Cranky,

I think what you're seeing is a bit of rouge. He had not polished the scales when I got it so I buffed a bit on the scales and guard. With the knife in hand, fitting is tight there.
Posted By: R_H_Clark Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
I think he's talking about the junction where the guard is fitted. I can't tell if that is a black glue line or liners. Either way, you shouldn't let it rob you of enjoying a very nice knife.

A knife maker will see small things that most people won't give a second glance.
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
It depends on his market if he actually gets that much. People who actually know knives know what to look for but if he is in a tourist area then saw mill blades and a slightly rougher appearance might actually help him sell.

I know what he means about no money in it. I have made and sold quite a few knives.

Actually the intended purpose for Bowie knives is a weapon, not a chopper. I make my bowie knives light and fast with thin high grinds. They are intended to mess a man up, not chop wood. Originally a gun would be empty fast with no fast reloads and a bowie could often be used to better effect in close quarters.


RH,

I would venture a guess that some of his value is coming from being in a benefit type setting, I could be wrong though. I would assume that values in that type of setting could be somewhat elevated though.

I agree with you on the intended purpose of the bowie as well, however, for my usage this day and age, if I use it at all, it is more likely to be used for "camp" type scenario's rather than dumping someone's innards onto the ground. For strictly a self defense/close quarter battle weapon a lighter sleeker weapon would be my choice.
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
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Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 06/30/13
I'm having a heck of a time getting good pics. It's about too shiny, lol.

One other thing that he did ask when we first started this process is what my hand size was, as well as if I was right or left handed. I don't know if you can tell in the pics, but the guard is slightly canted with the top being slightly to the right. It looked a little strange too me when I first got it and I asked him about it. He stated that I was right handed, and that is the reason for it. He indicated that the way that knife was built, that should offer better feel and more control. I will say, it does fit like a glove in my right hand, and I can see how it would offer a little more control.

The knife also balances extremely well IMO. Balance point appears to be right at the leading edge of the guard.
Posted By: 1234567 Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
I can't tell much about the handle, but from what I can see of the blade, his grinding is first class all the way.

What I do not understand is why people who are this talented uses scrap steel. With his ability, he could go to one of the better tool steels, either stainless or carbon.

Not that saw blades are scrap--there have been hundreds of blades made with it, but there is better steel out there, if for no other reason than you know the type of steel and the correct heat treat for it. The heat treat is going to determine the quality of the blade in use.

Posted By: mtnman1 Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
Looks like a damned fine knife to me. If you like it that's really the only important thing, unless you're lookin to sell it. If not, I'd enjoy the hell outa it and not worry to much about what steel was used etc. Bowie's aren't the most practical blade anyway but I'm sure it'll serve ya well as a camp knife if that's what ya have in mind for it.

Dale
Posted By: rattler Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
for better pics cause of the shine, get farther away and zoom in....or....turn off the flash and bounce light from a window or light bulb off a white sheet of paper to make the whole knife brighter without using a flash
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
Thanks for the input guys. Rattler, I'll try getting further away and zooming, I'd like to post a few better pics.

I asked him specifically about the saw blade. He told me that someone had given it too him. He was not positive of the steel, but he did say he believed it was stainless steel, but it was old enough that it did not have the carbide tips. I guess I can't say for certain.

123, I would agree, his grind is excellent. I have seen a helluva lot worse. Maybe just a couple of spots that it could've been a touch better, but all in all very good IMO.

Mtnman, I appreciate your input, and I would agree with you, what matters most is whether or not I like it, and I really do. I guess I didn't go into this with the idea of selling, and to be honest, if I did sell, I'd have no idea what to even ask for it. I intially went into this deal figuring I'd have a couple to display and one to use if I wanted. I just got word, and saw the pics, the smaller of the three is done and headed my way as of tomorrow. I should have it in hand by Wednesday. It too is walrus scaled, but it isn't bark. Based on the pics, it too looks really good. The initial idea was to do one in bark ivory, one in inner ivory, and the middle one in buffalo horn. I'm beginning to re-think the buffalo, lol.

Biggest problem is, now he is wanting to do more trading, lol.
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
Maybe, just maybe, thanks too rattler, I've got something that guys can work with a little better.

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Posted By: rattler Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
much better, looks like you might be pushing the capabilities of your Camera a bit.....if yah have a tripod or just something solid to rest the camera on you will prolly get rid of some of the graininess but all in all much better photos.....glad i could help.....

have had to learn these tricks via trial and error trying to take pics of small plants and critters like frogs that can sit on your fingernail when you dont have real macro equipment to get them and trying to make do with what i had crazy
Posted By: cranky72 Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
the pics later on showed better fitting than earlier. usually saw blade steels are carbon instead of stainless so you may want to clean blade after using & oil it a little. if you want to know whether its a carbon alloy ; cut a lemon or orange & wait a coupal of minutes. carbon will start a patina almost immediately. i use lots of carbon great easterns & rejoice when the black natural patina covers the blade.--cranky72
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/01/13
As I was taking the pics that was the one thing I kept thinking, I should have it on something. I wasn't the steadyiest as I was doing it. They are, however, a bunch better than the other crap I was getting.

I tried getting a bit of the polishing rouge out of the gaps before taking these pics. Fit is tight at the guard, but with the rouge it did appear to have a slight gap in the pics. I wouldn't have liked that at all.
Posted By: Squawsach Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/02/13
There is no question that he put time and effort into this knife. His knife captures the spirit of the Bowie knife. The profile of the blade, brass guard, natural handle material, and large size scream Bowie knife. You show that knife to anyone and they will say "Bowie knife". There are many knives out there labeled Bowie knife and they often do not look like a Bowie knife to me. I didn't need to look at that knife twice to know what it was. You now own a handmade Bowie knife. I hope you enjoy it.
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/02/13
Thanks for the comments Squawsach, and I agree. I've looked at a lot of "bowies" that just didn't have the "look" IMO. When he showed me the pics of this one, I felt the same way, "that's a bowie".

The smallest is on the way and I'm hoping to have it by Wednesday. It'll probably be next week, but I will post a pic or two of it for folks to have a peek at if they're so inclined. Then I'll figure how I want the medium one scaled. Problem I have now is, he wants some more stuff of mine and I just don't know how many of the knives I need, lol.

As far as enjoying it, I hadn't been this excited to get something in the mail for a long time. I've been packing it around for days, and the wife has even gotten mad at me, saying, "you're obsessed", lol. That comment right there tells me I've gotten my money's worth, lol.
Posted By: Mink Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/02/13
It is a nice looking piece from the new set of pics, i like the brass liners.
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/02/13
Thanks Kirk. Yeah and the pics don't do the brass liners justice. In person the brass really makes that ivory pop.
Posted By: Squawsach Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/03/13
Originally Posted by PSH
Thanks Kirk. Yeah and the pics don't do the brass liners justice. In person the brass really makes that ivory pop.


I also liked the brass liners on your knife. I have used brass liners only once and they had the same effect. They provide a lot of contrast between the different materials in the handle.
Posted By: 2muchgun Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/04/13
Very D.H. Henry-esque design. Nice....
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/14/13
Ok, got the smallest of the group and finally found some time to post a couple of pics. I will say that when I first got it, it wasn't what I was expecting. When it arrived I looked at the 6 inch blade and thought, that would be a pretty nice hunting/field knife. I liked the blade design and size. Then I took hold of the handle and if it had another inch on it, it would be perfect for that. However, with a 3.5 inch handle, it's just too short for me. However, if you look at it for what it is, about a 1/2 scale bowie, it's just about perfect. I guess over the course of the week that I have had it in hand, it has kind of grown on me if I look at it that way. Will I use it, probably not, but it would certainly look very good in a display.

Now the question is, for the middle sized one, what do I do, ivory on it as well, or change it up and go with buffalo or sheep horn for scales????? I'm having a helluva time deciding. Either way, I think they would all look pretty cool together on the wall in a shadow box, but I just can't make up my mind, lol. Pics to follow and again, please feel free to voice your opinion, good or bad.
Posted By: PSH Re: Bowie Lusting - 07/14/13
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