Between you, Sharpsguy, Gunner, Woody and now Ed, I didn't have a chance.

The auction ended today, and hopefully I'll have it in my hands soon.

I was shocked to see a Montana Roughrider chambered for 45-70, and with a 30 inch barrel, show up on Gunbroker. I was torn between this and an 1874 Military Rifle. This one showed up first and the price was reasonable.

That's a beauty Joel!
Hope you bring it to the hog hunt so I can touch it!

That's just a quick chamber punch away from some real horsepower.

You know you want to do it�

Thanks Dan. If I live, it'll make it to the Hunt in 2015. You are more than willing to shoot hell out of it.

Oh Lord.
It is not enough that Jim and Bill have nudged me closer to bankruptcy? Must you see my retinas detach? LOL

Another one bites the dust! VERY NICE Joel you're gonna love it!!

The .45-90 and .45-110 are not heavy recoilers at all; just big pushes. Your retinas will be quite fine.

I know it, but have to have something to bitch and whine about.

Quit bitching, get a 'smith lined up to punch that chamber to -90 or -110, and order a 1/4 pallet of powder.

As an old friend of mine used to say quite often, "Therein, lies the problem". If I lived where I could drive by and pick up a sheetpot of KiK powder, I'd be leaning harder in that direction.

I've gone through almost #20 of KIK since I got my gun Jim always said "ya load 110's with a coal shovel." That's a fact at 95+100grs a pop!

Prezactly! Thank God, Sharpsguy was the voice of reason saying that the standard 45/70 would do anything that needed doing.

Basically, I will be shooting Whitetails, maybe black bear if all goes well and pigs with this rifle. Surely the 45/70 will handle it.

If I were running up against real buffler or African game, I'd look harder at the -90 or -110.

I already have a teenager I can barely afford to feed. Don't need a rifle that makes matters worse.

The 45/70 will serve you well and gunner has a way of making it the little engine that could!

Now I'll be looking to pick up a couple lyman molds.

VELCOMM to der Darkside Powder Inc will ship a case right to yer door so not to worry about availability NOW the Buffler Gun Mafia will work on you to get ya using paper patched slugs Gorgeous rifle Joel!!!! Yer going to love it!!

BWAAHAHAHA!!!!! I knew you was screwed. LMAO, a Big Congrats from Okleehoma Joel.

Gunner

Yes it will, and yes I can.

Gunner

Ya, and now he's gotta sign on to the buffler hunt this fall.

Gunner

nice rifle

Between all of us, next March, the guides will hear a number of deep throated BOOMS and wonder what the heck is going on up that hill

You may as well saddle up and ride on out with us Tex.

Gunner

Outstanding, Joel! Good looking rifle! Now you need the following molds to begin; a Lyman 457125 (the Government bullet) and at least the 457121, the 475gr Parker Hale bullet. Maybe a 457193, the 405gr RNFP that was loaded in the Cavalry loads. Oh, you can be sure that Jim will start in on you to start paper patching, too.

P.S. don't let them know you EVER shoot a smokeless powder load in your rifle. Jim WILL hunt you down.

Ed

.........then Sharpsguy will show up with a twelve pack of Handmade Damascus fillet knives.

Gunner

what sort of adventure do you miscreants have planned? I oughta have my Sharps late this spring or early summer. I was gonna smoke a deer with it, but now you have me intrigued...

No if you want that thing to shoot you'll be getting a saeco 645 if you plan on shooting grease groove bullets. Remington cases.

Now you've done it. One can tweak loads, bullets, and technique until the end of time. No one ever really masters those things.

THAT'S more like it

ET hit it. Powder Inc, FFg Kik to your door $347.50 delivered /25#. Only other options as I see it is Olde Einsford at about $500 /25. The others are 3rd choice powders, no need to lengthen your learning curve using them unless somebody dumps them on you for $5 a can. Sharpsguy, gave you good advice leave it alone as a 2.1 especially so with that buttstock and drop combo. Longer brass is 2 to 3 x the cost and has spotty availability right now. Shoot and use as is instead of just talking the talk. Magnum Man

Thats good news Tex, by saddling up I meant get 'you' a Sharps, but it seems like your already ahead of the game, I didnt know you had one on order.

Gunner

We just recently had a really good discussion about this "Chamber Stretching" bit, and how many perfectly good .45-70s have been SCREWED up, in that process.

The .38-55s hogged out to .38-50 were a similar parade of bodged work.

Leave that chamber alone.

GTC

That rifle will flat out work as is. Leave the damned chamber alone and call me.

C'mon Bill. Give us some time to torment Joel in our finest tradition!!

A big "Amen" to that!

Paul

There is also a .50-90 on GB, if CT decides a .45-70 isn't big enough for him

My #1 Sporter went into production last week, so hopefully I should have it in a few weeks. .45-90, 30" std octagon, and extra-fancy wood just cuz I'm a wood slut

Just go here thru the internet, save the wear and tear on your vehicle.
http://www.powderinc.com/catalog/order.htm

Or, he could just make a slight detour on his way out here and pick up a load.

Ed

That's true, then he could pick up a 25 lb bag or 2 of powder and it'ld be cheaper yet,, altho when you pickup from Jerry you pay Arkansas sales tax, so there goes any savings on shipping...

Last time through I picked up 10# and even with sales tax it was cheaper than shipping it.

Gotta go back up in that part of the world in a month or so on bidness. Might have to stop in again.

Ed

That sounds nice Patrick!

Thanks - it's been on order 18 months, so I am looking forward to it...

maybe I can choot the first Nilgai ever shot with a Sharps?

Finally got her in my hot little hands.

Many thanks to the enablers who got me hooked!!!

That will make a good hunting rifle...

I gotta get some cartridges loaded....This weather will have the groundhogs out and about in a few days. I doubt a 500 grain Govt. cast bullet will bounce off...

That is a proper rifle. That'll work!

between my brother and i one of my favorite rifles for ground squirrels is my Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70.....first shot at one i had 405 hard casts loaded and held on dirt....the bullet went through 6 inches or so of fluffed up dirt on the near side, couple inches of gopher, another 6 inches of fluffed up dirt on the far side, put a 5 foot divot in the ground, hit a chunk of sandstone and cracked it but finally stopped it.....we had been shooting the critters for high talley and upon seeing the damage promptly declared me a cheater and he will get to shoot it for the rest of the trip and i was stuck with the 10-22

The 45-70 on ground squirrels is roughly equivalent to the Paris Gun of WWI.

Congrats Joel that's a beauty and welcome to the club!

Nice rifle!

Woody and Patrick,

Thanks a bunch. I have pawed the poor thing to death today. Really looking forward to giving it a test drive.

Apologies for the poor photo, it was the best I could do with my phone today.

Very nice buddy

BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA!! yer one of US now!!. You are now entitled to be and do evil things to NON Sharps people until the see the Dark

Looks really nice, congrats and . . . welcome to the dark side ! ! ! When ya gonna get to take her out for a test drive?

One more question though . . . What's that funny lookin thang what's hangin down between the buttplate and the triggers ?

Oh your poor, wretched and soon to be tormented soul!

Oh yeah jorge .....and BTW Joel not many plausible excuses for shooting smokeless or you'll get the evil eye from his "Evilness" !

Nice Joel!

Seems to me 45/70 screams smokeless! Why dirty and foul it with nasty black powder! I'm sure you'll get better accuracy and velocity with smokeless Joel

Negatory.. Maybe out of a Guide gun but not a Sharps or the ODG {Old dead guys}will haunt him for sure!

The day smokeless powder will shoot as well as the black powder load did in this .44-90 bn using barrel sights at 135 yards. 4 shots in the top group 6 shots in the center



In this .44-100 Rem st I used a scope for load developement
@ 135 yds.



Or this .44-90BN with the scope mounted on it @ 200 yds target from left to right has 10 shots, 18 shots and 10 shots




I might consider using smokeless, but only if I cant get black powder anymore

dvdgeo, only a dick shoots smokeless in a Shiloh Sharps 45-70, yeah you heard that from me.

A hearty CONGRATS CT, you'll be rubbing the blue offa the barrel flats in no time from all the heavy fondling, I know, I did. LOL

Gunner

If you owned a Sharps and did that, the Buffler Gun hit squad would abduct you, and you would be put into a very small,very cold room nekkid with only Nancy Peolosi to keep you warm

Awww you guys are so easy to rile up ...I know the rules ET's been very emphatic about "NO SMOKELESS IN A SHARPS"

I get it!

The absolute ONLY dispensation is IF it is absolutely necessary to shoot up ONE box of factory ammo to get the cases for BP loading!! THEN eventually ya get one of these for sleeping and seduction purposes

Not even one box. Pull the bullets and dump the powder to get the cases, OR shoot them out of another rifle. Out of a Shiloh Sharps, never.

Joel-
I tried to warn you. I even posted a photo - (with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back.) But would you listen?? NOOOOOOOO! You hang around with those miscreants and it's going to cost you!

Nobody warned me about them in 2013. I got my rifle just a week before snow shut down the local range, so I've only put 15 shots through it. There are still 3-1/2 feet of snow in the range driveway, and if I did snowshoe in, the snow is still covering the benches. The photo below is from a muzzleloader match from last Saturday at another local range.

Have fun in the sun!
--Bob
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Dangit! I know....

Just had to be an individual.

You called it, for sure.

By the way, you ended up with a gorgeous Sharps yourself.

When I get done knocking the wild onions down in my yard, I'm going to spend some time rubbing my rifle down....

Muhahaha

Joel, have you started casting for it yet?

Ed

No I haven't. Kicking around trying some of Jerry Dean's 480 grain FP's to see how they run.

I have to make a powder order and get a few items put together like a drop tube and a compression die as well.

Now that I have the stuff that required the FFL, I can piecemeal in the other stuff.