Home
Posted By: mack5511 Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
The back story is this:

A few years ago my father did some work for a lady that had a gunsmith for a grandfather. He had passed away and had left everything to her after his passing.

As payment for the work my father did he received a couple of Mausers and misc stuff. So I helped my dad post a few pictures of the Remington #1 action that was a part of the stuff.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


So as of a few months ago we have enlisted a fellow fire member to do a build on the action of a carbine/carry rifle.

More pics to follow,
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
jeez,....that scratched up, DyKem and Silver Solder Flux stained Masonite bench surface looks vaguely familiar,...

Masonite, is that a product name, or something darker, and more sinister ?

GTC
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
Hmmmm you better be careful or that Masonite may start a devil worshiping cult when you turn your back on it.
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
Getz Barrel

[Linked Image]

More pictures of the action

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
The loaded cartridge is a .43 Spanish. The spent one is an 11MM Mauser.

The barrel stub is a handy "Comparator",.....welded shut at the muzzle, so's not to freak out eek the regulators.

GTC
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
Barrel getting mated to the receiver:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[img]http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss49/mack5511/Campfire/Shank7_zps0cf8a34d.jpg[/img]
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
Very cool. Great photography, too!

Ed
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
[Linked Image]

Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
Chambering for 45-70:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: OIDabble Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/28/14
This is really looking good.This is a fun project,from being gifted with this action,and watching it come together.
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/29/14
Yep I like that we can do it together. Especially nice to see something come back to a shooter with so much history in the action.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
Somebody just sent pics of a disreputable, and tired rear sight for this effort.

....The vendor's asking a ridiculous, inflated price.

All the "New" stuff is so much better, in terms of fit, finish, and intrinsic value, what ?



GTC
Posted By: tex_n_cal Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
Neat photos, guys smile

The only roller I ever worked with was one of the Pedersolis in .45-70. It shot accurately despite some sloppy fitting. The eyes were many moons younger then smile

One of these days I should revisit the roller. Preferably an old one smile
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
Pictures received and appreciated. I think that old sight has just the character needed for a rifle like this. I know my dad was excited about it.

[Linked Image]


[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: OIDabble Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
Sure looks like a keeper to me,this old gun will be HOG ready.Good find...
Posted By: Paul39 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
$50 for that vintage Redfield peep is a deal, if it is in good shape. The lever silhouette game is one factor pushing the prices up.

As an aside, I've been playing with a simple modified electronic depth gauge to facilitate accurate elevation settings with this sight, geared toward the silhouette game.

Paul
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
This sight is in as new mechanical condition. Have had my eye on it for a while, and I am glad a project rolled through to apply it to.
I've got the "Sporting" version (identical, except it wears "Dime Slots" in the Adjutment heads) on one of my old Springfield '03s.
The repeatability is as good or better than a lot of Soules, with good perceptable detents.
The only reliable way I know to check repeatability is in a stout vice, with a good dial indicator deployed.

GTC
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
What type of leade are you going to chamber that beauty with?

Ed
Posted By: OIDabble Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
After eye balling that lube system it is a real work of art.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/30/14
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
What type of leade are you going to chamber that beauty with?

Ed


1* - 30' (1 1/2 degrees)

Posted By: THOMASMAGNUM Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/01/14
This thread makes me wonder if I shouldn't have kept that Husqvarna roller, and had you work it over Greg.

Ah well the new owner is making grins with it now.
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/07/14
Barrel cut to length and crowned.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/07/14
Other work done to fit the firing pin. Excuse my briefness as I can see what was done but would not try to explain it.

[Linked Image]


[Linked Image]


[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[img]http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss49/mack5511/Campfire/DSC_0030_zpsde12fe23.jpg[/img]
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/07/14
He "bushed" the firing pin. It's a good thing. grin Makes it a lot safer for you to shoot

I always enjoy watching Greg's work.

Ed
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/07/14
Me too. I am learning as this project progresses. Some may claim I am smart in some areas of knowledge. I always say I am a fountain of useless facts myself. I truly am at the bottom rung of the knowledge ladder when it comes to the type of work Greg is doing.

I truly do appreciate the small group of men that can do what he does.

Mack
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/09/14
Wishin' I knew a doc that could reconstruct my carcass as well.

Great project well done. Huzzzzzah!
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/09/14
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Wishin' I knew a doc that could reconstruct my carcass as well.
Great project well done. Huzzzzzah!


Are you saying that you need to be reamed and a bushing installed???? eek shocked grin

Ed
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: Remington #1 Build. - 05/10/14
No reaming, but a bushing or two might be helpful.
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/26/14
Well the stock finally arrived and I think it is a pretty nice chunk of wood. Still some work to go I am sure but things are progressing along.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: tex_n_cal Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/26/14
smile Dat's nice wood - who did the stock?
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/26/14
Ordered the stock from Treebone.
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/26/14
Originally Posted by mack5511
... it is a pretty nice chunk of wood.


"pretty nice"? That's a great looking piece of wood from here! grin

What front sight is Greg going to put on this work of art?

Ed
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/27/14
Ed,

I am not sure. He has discussed it with my dad though. Either one of them can chime in. It is going to be a hunting rig so I am sure something appropriate for the use.

Mack

Posted By: OIDabble Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/27/14
The front sight is going to be fabricated by Greg,I feel confident it will be nice.
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/27/14
Originally Posted by OIDabble
The front sight is going to be fabricated by Greg,I feel confident it will be nice.


Now I see where Mack gets his mastery of understatement from. grin

Greg will put a work of art on it for you.

Ed
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/27/14
Ed,

After seeing the quality of Greg's work I am confident that whatever choice he would make would be outstanding. I am sure by the time this is complete this will turn out to be the finest firearm I will have the pleasure of handling let alone shooting.

As to understatement you just have not spoken to my father. I am sure Greg can chime in on that with some of the phone conversations they have had in this process. LOL

Mack
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/27/14
My mistake, blush , I didn't mean to insult anyone.

Ed
Posted By: OIDabble Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/27/14
None takin.
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/27/14
Ed,

Everything I said was to be taken with a grain of salt. One thing my father passed onto me was the ability to yammer with the best of them. He has more dry one liners than just about any person I have ever met and is quite humorous in his own mind now if you ask my mother he is not as funny as he thinks he is.

So no insult taken as there was none to give.

Thanks for posting on this as I know Dad and I like to get the feedback from others that have more experience with the BPCR genre. Neither of us has anything like this project in our background. We have just taken advice from Greg and tried to look around to find examples of rifles that we like.

I know we would both like to make it somewhere to burn some powder with others who like to shoot the old boomers.

Jim Jr.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/28/14
Mornin' Gents (and Ladies)...

Been nursing / getting over an eye injury, and trying to put / keep this little Farming venture on it's rails,.....that, and a bit of other nonsense currently going down have seen me reticent to post much of anything outside of a bit of prerequisite troll smashing.

Mack's dad and I have had a running dialogue that I'd not trade for all the tea in China. He's one of the more authentic North Woods Men that I've had the honor to speak with, and I look forward to meeting him in person, some when. Understatement and a
fine,dry wit always leave me smiling after a conversation with him.

The wood's one of George ( Treebone Carving) Peterson's excellent blanks,....and it was FUNNY, trying to keep it wet enought to get a half decent pic,......ambient was about 110*F,....and a thirty MPH gale, at 0 humidity. It is going to finish ot well, as has everything I've ever gotten from George.

Front sight,....I dunno, but am thinking along he lines of an "Armored Beech",.....something with "Ears" protecting it for work the thick stuff.

Will own up to being a bit concerned about how SHALLOW the grooves are in this Getz barrel,.....and am going to shoot in "in the white" with sights lashed up, before going into finishing mode.

Ya'll have a great weekend !

Greg


Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 06/28/14
Glad to see you chime back in, Greg. Hope the eye thing is healing properly.

Can't wait to see the shooting results.

Ed
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/01/14
So we have gotten another step farther along in the build. The stock is being inlet now. Here are some pictures.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/01/14
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/02/14
Looking good!

Ed
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/02/14
Ed,

I agree Greg does some amazing things with metal and wood.


Mack
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Well progress has been made and lots of pics to share.

Stock inletting and fitting:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Mocking up different sights:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Creating the mounting point:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[img]http://i560.photobucket.com/al...n%20Build/DSC_0055_zps8bb6047d.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i560.photobucket.com/al...n%20Build/DSC_0062_zps942dc85d.jpg[/img]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Redfield Rear Sight is the one chosen. Here it is on the rifle.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Picture of the created mount:

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Getz Barrel being tapered:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Sight all the way elevated:

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Front Sight mock up and fitting:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Cont:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
I want to thank Greg for all the hard work and the great pictures of the build as it progresses. I love it and know my father does too.

Jim Jr.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Thanks Jim, for posting this,...

You and your Pop have seen the back story on the pieces and parts,...I'm just going to post that as written,...



Quote
....and every piece has a story, to boot !

I really LIKE barrel band sights but man, are they ever time consuming to build. The massive bore sizes look kinda [bleep] without em', and yet I did not want to go overboard here.
.....went digging through my plunder and came up with the parts and pieces needed to spool up a fine "2 piece" unit,.....although by the time I either TIG weld it or Silver Solder the pieces it WILL be a one piece part.
The "band" was turned off a chunk of .43 Spanish Barrel (circa 1880s) that was taken off a really decrepit old cut down Remington Roller that had the "machete V" in the buttstock,....so it probably rode with Pancho Villa's outfit. I got the rifle from a fellow who'd bribed it outta' Mexico, in any event. Nice Nickle steel in those old pelters, it machines well.

The Ramp was de-soldered / came off of an old Remington 721 in 30-06 That I bought for the action only, at Cashway's Pawn in Tucson, back in 1996 or '97. It had come out of a Police Auction, and apparently had been used in some sorta' crime in Nogales.

Yes, there is a gap between the Ramp and the barrel,...No, it won't be there when finished,...I've taken it as far as I want to go with the machine tools, and will hand file a mortise into the band so they dovetail together in good alignment. As noted, I haven't decided whether to TIG weld em' together, or go with High Temp Silver,....but am leaning toward the TIG

...I kinda' like the 3/8 dovetail in the ramp, it's a COMMON size, and easy to find in any variety of heights and bead styles.

PLEASE let me know if this front sight works for you.

All the best,

Greg


Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Almost forgot,...
Semper BLUE TAPE !

[Linked Image]

Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/24/14
Phew,...to many close ups,...here's a shot of the horribly depressing, and disorganized sweat shop where alla' this transpires.

If I was a real "Arizonan" whistle I'm sure things would go a lot smoother.

GTC

[Linked Image]
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/28/14
Obvious that you don't have enough to do Greg. I'm gonna go find another roller project for ya. laugh

Nice work there.

Dan
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 01/03/15
Well, my call out that this action was probably for a .43 Spanish was WAY off,...more like one of the larger based cartridges. The Extractor told that tale, and I'd really not looked at it closely 'til now

[Linked Image]

Well, we'll have to make that one work, I guess. Fairly good sized excavations of the barrel shank ensue,

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

One or two little "dabs" at a time is about all one can deposit in this old nickle steel, and than things go muddy. One has to stop and clean things up in the bead blaster. Used that 3.5 Nickle from Brownells, a 3/32 Lanthanated tungsten with a pure argon shield.

[Linked Image]

GTC
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 01/03/15
In and out of the mill,... massaged into rough form, than spotted into the recess with some judicious hand filing. The recess sees just a bit of adjustment,but with the beefy new "hook" getting the lion's share of fitment.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Wouldn't you know it, right there in the face of the thing there's a little porosity / asperity. No biggie, another "dab" of the nickle rod will be required (once this weather breaks).

A cut away cartridge case is used to lay out the outer rim recess radius

[Linked Image]

That radius is than cut to JUST barely below the level of the rim recess in the barrel shank / chamber.

[Linked Image]

Yup, a little bit of weld repair, and final polishing and this extractor's back in business.

[Linked Image]

At this point an old badly oversized case was hammered into the chamber, and the actuating tail of the extractor belabored with a copper punch, driven by a fairly good sized hammer. Looks good, and it will never see that amount of force again in normal service.

[img]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x59/sharpsrifle/DSC_0060_zps15a18d39.jpg[/img]

time to go see why my well pressure switch froze last night,....looks like the brooder lamp bulb may need a replacement.

Cheers !

GTC
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 01/06/15
Back when Old Dave Higginbotham (Lone Star Rifle Co.) graced our midst with his all to brief presence, I would have ordered up one of his EXCELLENT CNC'd extractor blanks, as opposed to welding this extractor up. Alas , those days are long gone.

I WILL be making a drawing of this piece, and filing it,....against running into this requirement again.

Very "Old School", the weld up approach (Frank DeHass, and Dunlap would be proud), but I'm more than happy with the finished product, it functions reliably and smoothly. Sharp edges have been radiused, tool marks (a place for fouling to nest) polished out, and a slew of unsized cases run through by way of testing. Let me emphasize again that in no single shot BPCR is it a good idea to have solid cartridge to extractor contact, once in battery,...No, I'm not saying one wants things flopping and rattling around, either. Just be sure to leave a coupla' thou clearance for best accuracy's sake.

[Linked Image]

Yup, I can hear em' muttering now,...."He sure cuts a lot of that chamber wall away, the original extractor cuts are NOWHERE near that big or deep."

Well, I've also cut away an awful lot of modern Cartridge bases, and know that good modern brass is gonga stout in that unsupported area.
The reason that your original extractor hooks were so thin (read prone to BREAKAGE) was dictated by the weakness of the balloon head cases of the day,....back when. I LIKE a stout and beefy "hook",and certainly DO cut more material away than the originals....it's pretty likely that the ear would break off a rolling block before a hook of this size and geometry gives it up. When one gets into the leveraged force applied in the Sharps, Hepburn, Winchester "walls", it's just flat crazy to "replicate" a spindly and weak balloon head type extractor.

[Linked Image]

I actually went back and readjusted the upper rim radius just a bit, after taking this shot below,...

[Linked Image]

Here it is, no ejector function, but a snap to rake out of the way, or the brass will just drop out if the block's opened muzzle up.

[Linked Image]

It's now time to move on to tuning and slicking up the action's guts, and bringing the trigger down to a good crisp, repeatable and safe 3 lb break.

Later,

GTC


Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 01/06/15
Greg,

Thanks for the pics and update. Your explanation of what your doing on the extractor and why is much better than anything I could have written.

Jim Jr.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 01/10/15
Just rang off with your Pop,
....it's certainly a little "cool" in his neck of the woods.
The "wind chill is BS" bunch were discussed / dismissed.
We batted around barrel band v. forend mounted sling swivels, after solving most all of the world's problems in a few brief sentences.
Glad that extractor's history now,...
GTC
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: Remington #1 Build. - 01/11/15
Helluva nice evolution ongoing here. Seriously enjoying this.

Dan
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/11/15
Planning is something we do between bouts of reality.
Rose colored specs in place I had intended to be a bit further along with this project, but December and January's muses had different plans.
That's a different story.
I did get back onto the bench, and spent a rewarding and enjoyable day or two "Slicking Up" this action.I usually shoot whatever's coming together in the white, and it was time to look at doing so with this one.
Yesterday evening saw the rifle buckled up as pictured. I bore sighted it on a favorite power pole / transformer combo. I dug out some old 440 Grain "Chicken Loads" (originally intended for offhand out of a 12 Lb Sharps). Good match ammo, albeit a bit green and mossy in cosmetic aspect, weighed bullets, Swiss Powder, etc, etc..
Had a pretty nice day afternoon at the Sierra Vista Range, with typical right to left Zephyrs to keep one honest.
The target was NOT placed at 200 yards, ... Given the sight set up, I opted for a more realistic FIFTY ( 50) yards.
The mossy old ammo was wiped down , and than had the exposed grease grooves refreshed with a swipe of TC 1000. The Getz barrel was wiped between shots with 90% Iso Alky and Murph's oil soap. No adjustments for wind or elevation were made during the 8 round string,....the 2 low shots are #s 4 and 6, and I figure that I pulled em' (flinched em') down there.
This 9 Lb 11 Oz. rifle will definitely let you know that you are handling some horsepower, when shot off the bench, and by shot #8, I figured that it's going to be a great shooter, and that the next time I wring it out it will be with milder loads, and the sharp edges on that butt stock softened just a bit. eek

My fears about the shallow grooves were apparently misplaced. This is going to be a NICE hunting rifle.

GTC


[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/11/15
Greg,

All I can say is wow. It looks wonderful and seems to shoot already. Thank you for all the hard work and I am excited to see it make some holes in paper. I am sure my dad will be touching base to say the same thing.

Jim Jr.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/11/15
It's a nice departure from the ubiquitous "Buffalo Gun" or Match Rifle,...reminds me more of a Business Rifle or a saddle gun.
While the current LOP is a tad long for me (14"), it sure comes up and swings / points well.

I LIKE it !

GTC
Posted By: tex_n_cal Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/11/15
wonderful!
Posted By: RWE Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/11/15
Originally Posted by crossfireoops


My fears about the shallow grooves were apparently misplaced. This is going to be a NICE hunting rifle.

GTC





how shallow were the grooves?

JC
Posted By: CrowRifle Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/11/15
Good read. Thanks for posting.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/11/15
Originally Posted by RWE
Originally Posted by crossfireoops


My fears about the shallow grooves were apparently misplaced. This is going to be a NICE hunting rifle.

GTC





how shallow were the grooves?

JC


How shallow ?

Laid beside a Badger, visually giving the impression of almost not being there,...imagine a large .22.

It's a 7 groove barrel, so "rolling" an impact slug between dial calipers is about all one can do by way of trying to catch an OD. I don't have the gear to measure it properly, and the caliper stunt is half azzed, at best.
IIRC , it's a .456, but the bullet alloy may be springing back a bit.
Guess I should try pure lead.

The grooves are maybe half again as wide as the lands, and round bottomed, presenting an almost polygonal appearance.

The bore's a TIGHT slip fit for a .449- pin gauge.
Very smooth barrel, albeit with lots of first operation reamer marks on the narrow lands.

I'm looking at the 5" crop I lopped of this barrel, and figuring too bisect one part of it in the mill, and maybe we can study on it some more.

Sure as hell no flies on the way it woke right up and went to work, and I'm looking forward to tossing a few more groups down range, lighter loads, and at a somewhat longer distance, too. The silver front bead is EXTREMELY hard to see, shooting south into bright desert Sun, a flat topped post would be easier to define. The rear aperture , to my eyes is basically a small ghost ring, but seems to be alright for centering things up.

GTC
Posted By: OIDabble Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/15/15
Greg,I have been eye balling that picture off and on I think what we talked about is the way to go,it is gonna be a dandy.Dabble
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 02/15/15
Oh great, eek

.....now if I can only remember what we talked about.

GTC
Posted By: mart Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/05/15
I love these threads. Great job.
Posted By: T LEE Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/05/15
Yep, a Craftsman and Magician is what you are Sir. I shall tipple a bit of nose paint to you.
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/06/15
Buttstock is trimmed and the search for a buttplate has commenced.

Quote
My Jap cabinet makers saw is starting to pull to the right, but the cut (started right on top of a 1/2" silver pencil line,) finished nicely at a little less than 5/8" total stock removed.

*first pic shows amputation, and potential choices for cladding the stump with steel.

*second pic shows Mauser # posed against stump in "normal" configuration. Weird lookin' and WAY to narrow, topside, where we want the max width.
*Third and Fourth pic show an interesting approach to the Mauser plate,( assuming I could get my hands on another one.) Inverted, and with the wide top off of one weld grafted onto the other, it would be NEAT to narrow and fold that top tang under the bottom line of the BP, and inlet the whole works down to finished surface level. Hell, it's down there that they all chip /crack anyway ! Can't guarantee how the weld will blue , compared to the original material, but that Mauser plate looks like fine Swedish Steel, from where I sit. I probably should do a little tack test to see how it welds, prior to saying whether that's doable.
*Last pic shows an ancient smooth bore military or trade musket BP that will clearly be adequate to cover that stump. I had a PILE of that stuff once, this is the last of the BPs.
* I can MAKE a BP from scratch, if required, it's just a damn shame that the Castings currently available are so crappy and rude.

Your suggestions, opinions, alternate strategies appreciated.

Cheers, GTC



[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/26/15
BUILDING A QUALITY STEEL BUTTPLATE ON A WORKINGMAN'S BUDGET
( Or one could say "Mausing" one together )

Nice steel, but too small / short mad

[Linked Image]

Different Mauser, same situation, too damned short frown

[Linked Image]

HMMMmmmmmm, what if a guy,....... confused

[Linked Image]

Damn, THAT will work, get the torch ( A Victor Super Journeyman with a freshly cleaned #000 tip ). smile Founded in Sweden, in the late 1800s, this stuff is AMAZINGLY pure, and cuts like a dream,.....would without doubt be an amazing light show in low light

[Linked Image]

I'd say this will be long enough to get something half decent out of
laugh whistle

[Linked Image]

I have to build up (weld) the edges at the top, I REALLY don't want to give up any wood width there. Than there's the splice. TIG argon shield and 3.5 Nickle will likely make a good joint, but one always wonders about color match with bluing.

I'm tempted, SORELY tempted, to weld the splice, than, once profiled to close to finished shape, REDUCE the outer edge REAL uniformly, and than lay a bead of 309S all the way around the outer dia.,...Once blued, a svelte and somewhat "bling" lookin' detail on the BP, e.g. "Pimp My Roller" blush

Also thinkin' about grafting the left over top tang to the bottom / toe part of the plate.

I dunno',but have to get some other things out of the way, and will be considering this.

I know that somewhere on this planet there's a BUCKET full of discarded Mauser stock metal,.....I will now be keeping my eyes peeled for same.

Later,

GTC


Posted By: OIDabble Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/27/15

Looks like they will work out real nice,going to look sharp.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/27/15
Decisions, decisions,...etc.

The "traditional" military buttplate had that whatchacallit
(tang ?) up on the comb line, forever.

On reflection, not a bad idea if you're going to have the operators slamming the dam thing onto the pavement, cobblestones, dirt, endlessly....while performing his drill, or manual of arms. That would be the place to slam it, and have the arm come up in a natural vertical pose.

Than there's the clubbing , head smashing, and vertical butt stroking involved with bayonet drill and fighting,....

In my experience, a hunter / sportsman usually avoids slamming the butt of his rifle on anything, ....being more inclined to rest the butt on his instep, while parked in a relaxed, slouchy, un-military manner.

You very seldom see an old and hard run rifle missing a chunk from the comb line.
We see pieces split off of the TOE of rifle stocks a LOT, don't we ?

....really tempted to soften the top whatchamacallit / tang to almost gone, and grafting the other one onto the BOTTOM of this metal massaging stunt in progress,...thereby protecting the more vulnerable part of the whole lash up,....and also providing one hell of a practical place to locate a Q.D. sling base.

Just musing, under the assumption that you're not going to be running around knocking heads with this thing ( at least not to frequently).

....I don't see a bayonet mount on the plan, either.

....Phew

GTC


Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/28/15
Artistry in the room, quiet please! grin Proper reverence must be given to this work of art!

Ed
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/28/15
Shhhhhh

I'm currently working the Minnesota bunch, trying to convince em' to let me finish this with Gold, Platinum, Silver, and precious jools.

Ha,....solid old working gun with a buttplate that looks like it was ripped off from the Vatican.

Rubies ?

GTC
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/28/15
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Artistry in the room, quiet please! grin Proper reverence must be given to this work of art!

Ed


I STILL can't believe how cleanly that cut with a torch. Those old Swedes knew what they were about when they called something steel.

GTC
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/28/15
LOL if I had rubies we could bling it out!
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 03/29/15
Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Artistry in the room, quiet please! grin Proper reverence must be given to this work of art!
Ed
I STILL can't believe how cleanly that cut with a torch. Those old Swedes knew what they were about when they called something steel.GTC


It's called pride in craftsmanship, Greg. Something you and others like you with an appreciation for quality and willingness to maintain that quality are gifted with.

I do enjoy watching you work.

Thanks for sharing this journey with us.

Ed
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/19/15
Albeit a bit cool and breezy, this seemed to be the right morning to tackle this,.....

[Linked Image]

Half the fun of this game can be building fixtures and shop accessories, so an empty Dos Equis box was chosen as the "Tig Booth" and some 3.5 Nickle rod was blorped around with an air cooled torch, a 3/32" Lanthanated Tungsten, under a somewhat porous and flighty pure argon shield.

[Linked Image]

A bit of hacking, grinding, and filing ensued. I had been concerned about this Fine Swede steel perhaps going glass
hard , actually went in the opposite direction and the whole piece went dead soft, and to consistency that "pins" a file in short order.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

The belt sander and some 3M Rolox discs in an air grinder got the sucker's attention though,.....

[Linked Image]

I LIKE the way this turned out, and as far as I can see this Buttplate is deeper and wider than anything out there available on the commercial supply line. Damn good way to tame the hard kickers, I reckon. The current condition of finish is really overkill, and once the piece is inletted into the buttstock, some more filing and grinding will be inevitable. Oh, and YES, that is a high spot down by that screw hole,......it'll all buff out on fitting, and adjustment of the final shape. (and that can take as long or longer than all of the roughing thus far) whistle


[Linked Image]

Time to fire up a tractor,....see ya'll later.

GTC


Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 04/19/15
Greg,

Amazing work as always. I love the way it looks and even better is that you are able to use so many pieces from other old firearms to do it. I am sure my dad will chime in here or with a phone call soon enough.

Jim Jr.
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/16/15
Got some new pictures from Greg of the fitting of the forearm.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/16/15
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/16/15
Like always I will let Greg describe what he is doing if he wants to chime in. I am more and more excited everytime I see pictures of this rifle. I have a feeling it is going to make my father and I speechless when we see it in person.

Mack
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/17/15
Nothing of earthshaking magnitude taking place there, Mack.
Simple concentric drilling and tapping ( 10-32 ), to secure the forend .

The little portable SHOP was shaking, though,....I'll just post what I e-Mailed to you and Dabble.

Quote
....this evening
Wild azzed Monsoonal event, and a thunder and light show to remember....rotary wind and .70" rain in 10 minutes.
Palominas, just off to my South got TWO (2) inches in about the same length of time, with crazy hail, and 70 MPH wind.



And (following day)
Quote
A common hardware (Ace) grade "Stainless 3/8' Bolt" came home today, and by evening had morphed into a well fitted estucheon . Nice tough material,....no IDEA what grade,....and a LONG way from being very concentric,.....the shank a full .005" under called out dia., so I used the head to get a decent fitup in the upper regions of it's intended recess .


Cheers !

GTC
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/28/15
So Greg has gotten the rifle to a close to finish state. A couple more decisions to make about bluing and finish of the wood but it looks like a complete rifle now and I love it. I can't wait to see it in person and put some lead down the barrel.

I will always be in awe of Gregs handwork and artistry in putting not only all the pieces together but understanding how to make this a special rifle in the eyes of my father and I.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/29/15
Up 'til now I've been gagging on thinners fumes (MVP&Naptha) whilst trying to get a half decent pic of this nicely figured furniture as it flashes off in August Az. heat.

Finish "roughed" to a rough #180 grit, and a few toolmarks still visible, it got it's first "soak" of EXTREMELY thin oil finish yesterday evening, and will get one or two coats a day until provisionally "sealed".The next two / three coats will just use the rifle itself to fixture the work. This is a "Never sweat" approach, and beats the crap outta' dangling things on wire. The metal won't care, at this point,and gummy residues wipe off handily. MAY be shooting it before dismantling and starting the metal finishing,...hope so, anyway.

Everybody that's picked this one up and mounted it has commented on how well it "hangs", and balances.It's going to be "Lively" with 550 grain loads. One would not want to use this barrel profile with anything smaller than a .45 caliber, you'd wind up with something clubbish..I'd REALLY like to assemble one in .50-70

[Linked Image]
Posted By: tex_n_cal Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/29/15
Looks wonderful! smile
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 08/29/15
I've got enough roller odds and ends put by to build one, up to and including a completely ridiculous set of very old Navy Arms Italllllian stocks,....replete with a bizarre brass butt plate.

Noodling around with something larger than 50, ....a BPCR pressure Hubel #,....based on 20 or 16 ga.brass, and tossing BIG balls and punkins.Just may have landed on the quintessential American single shot hunting arm here,....fewest parts, and beyond any shadow of doubt, the QUIETEST.

Spent too many YEARS immersed in this "Buffalo Gun" and Creedmoor rifle game, I think,....and the appeal of a short, balanced, and fast swinging HUNTING rifle had apparently gone into dormancy.

I think from here on out I'll be confining this shops attentions and ministrations to guns weighing OVER 20 pounds, or UNDER 10.

This particular setup we've been writing / illustrating on was intended to be a sorta' "show and tell" outside of that commercial Larry Potterfield league guff....we wound up with Bud Light metal married to Finest 100 year old Cognac wood,....and all involved are a bit confused now, this scribe, in particular. A "where do we go from here?" situation.

Roller's just don't have any "curbside appeal".

Looks like it's course is about run, and with any kinda' luck, I'll shoot some "low and slow" hand rolled into paper, this coming Wed.

Fun project, all the way through.

GTC

Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 11/28/15
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 11/28/15
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


[Linked Image]
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 11/28/15
1 week to go!
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 11/28/15

Originally Posted by mack5511
It's good to see this all coming together,....and It's been a FINE "Campfire Project" ! The use of good American Allen Screws/Bolts to assemble and disassemble this piece( repeat that 40-50 times with me)saw them "lapped in",...using a bit of Symachrome mixed with TC1000 contributing thereto.They glide in and out of their appointed threaded holes with ease and grace. In finishing up /final detailing I assembled and torqued things to their happy mode, and than INDEXED the Allens in fore and aft mode. Their hex recesses were than bored out, and the new holes flooded with 56% Silver. Slotted .025" in the Mill, they appear in raw form below.[Linked Image]
Things really start to wake up, after a ride in the niter bluing salts. Were one to get really serious about the "Blinged Out", or "Pimp my Jezzail" look, he could spend a little time with his gravers and needle files, working those round recesses into little sunbursts or flowers,.....or something from Weird "Oz" place populated by witches and little girls,abbrogated and stolen by uppity knee-grows, and other fantastical poofinesses.
This rifle's going to a family of Loggers and sailers, so I passed on that opportunity.Anyway, these screws make for a nice little detail, and always look good when the Sun catches it just right.A dab of sight black whilst hunting?....I just might,....although I wouldn't sneeze at some blue tape.It WOULD be fun to toss some of the bored out and indexed screws to a competent engraver sometime, and see what one might do , by way of Silver flooding the finished / engraved result, and than polishing it out. I CAN tell you this, these screw heads grab onto a properly fitting screwdriver like there's no tomorrow, and stand up well, over the long haul.

[Linked Image]
Here's a look at the other screws, parts, pieces that got the Niter salts treatment.
This brings us to the close of this episode of "Pimp my Roller", ...join us in the next installment, when the "artisan learns how to break tiny little taps, and pull large balls of hair out, making a strange Rifle / Shotgun front sight.

[Linked Image]


I have to go drop off some repaired ancient double gun trigger group,
and check the Swap meet out for likely plunder. ....back later,

GTC
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 11/28/15
Originally Posted by mack5511

I don't think there's a picture in existence of the Remington 760 sporter blade I used to do the initial dial in and firing test with,....the one on the right, below.
.....good thing, too, it looked as out of place as a tailfin on a model A

[Linked Image]
An old Badger barrel "crop" , from some long gone "length v. BP Velocities" test for a magazine article had a clean 3/8" dovetail that I cut,....golly, maybe 14 years ago ? .....Nice, handy "jig / fixture" for working an a sight blank, in this case the "extra tall" piece that was chosen to replace the tail fin.
[Linked Image]
Zipped off to the height of the tailfin +.025"
[Linked Image]
A little chainsaw file work ensues, and a little tubular piece spooled up in the lathe
[Linked Image]
Some Harris Welco 56% Silver and some white "Stay Silv" flux put into play
[Linked Image]
I'd LIKE to say the piece was threaded in the set up in the pic below,
.....broke the little 3-56 tap,....should have chosen a #44 drill for the harder material blush. A new tubular piece was spooled up, and TAPPED prior to soldering, on the next go round. Plugged the tapped hole with soapstone, prior to firing the two pieces together,...got it right on the second try.

[Linked Image]



Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 11/28/15
Quick shot of cold blue, and a fit check are where the deal sits,...need to bore sight it and put a witness mark,...than maybe Niter Blue or Rust Brown it
[Linked Image]
I LIKE the idea of changeable beads,....sure don't like the idea of changing them anywhere but on a well lit bench,....if you thought front inserts were a bit fussy to handle, you wouldn't care for the demand place on clumsy old hands getting that little bastid planted in the right place
[Linked Image]
I personally would choose to FLATTEN the face of that round bead,against glare on one side pulling one's sight picture off.Hell, I'd use IVORY. Fun being able to say at this point I'm just the mechanic grin
[Linked Image]
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: Remington #1 Build. - 11/29/15
Dazzled here, very nice work underway!

D
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/08/15
[Linked Image]
Mack5511 and OIDabble rolled in Saturday, and after a Sunday breakfast at the local cafe we did a little visiting /hanging out.Put a mechanical wind zero on the roller. Yesterday was a get 'er done clinic,....annealing, case forming, loading,...etc. Mackk5511 will mebbe have some pics of alla' that. On the way back to their digs they piced up a smaller bead, which we fitted this AM
[Linked Image]
Suitably coffeed up, we hit out for the S.V. Range,....and spent one of the more enjoyable days I'll remember,....The rifle's just a real pussycat and refuses to foul or misbehave. The "tight bore" aspect of the Getz barrel did raise some minor PITAS,...simple ones related to forming dies and cleaning jags on hand being spooled up for the standard .450-4585" dimensions,....
[Linked Image]
We got right after shooting at longer ranges, and found that 500 yards was a bit beyond the elevation available with the Receiver sight fitted,....so we pulled in closer to 300Yards and went to work on a
12 X 12 plate. Garnered great response to corrections, on a rare calm day, tossing 550 gr Leeth Gordon bullets in sensible mid 1100s velocity range.
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
We moved in to 50 yards,.....and I shot some of those brutal full house loads that I didi the initial shoot with,....
Minor tweaks to the final mechanical wind zero ensued
[Linked Image]
Fussy job,....but worth the time,....Tomorrow AM I'll hit the sight with some Green Loctite, and make a witness mark,....

A compendium of OLD match ammunition lefovers were obviously making for some vertical stringing, ....but the target called out not to worse horizontal,...I would have RATHERED a post, the glare off the bead in late afternoon desert Sun made for a sketchy, one sided sight picture.It WILL be cat's anus in low light and dense cover....

Mack5511 is going to be a holy TERROR with this rifle,...we moved back on out onto that 300 yard plate, and I walked him in,....making 2 or three corrections,...and after that he put 4-5 into a very tight KNOT,...threw a couple off,....but called his misses well.I was at that point feeding the rifle with HOT ram loads, and he just soaks that recoil up like a post. Rugby player, dontca' know.


Tired here after a LONG day,....THANKS for a fine feed at Ricardo's fellas'

More soon.

GTC


Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/25/15
Tried my hand at creating a video from some of the video shot on the range day.



Still have more pics from the trip to go through.

Mack
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/26/15
Mack,.... Says," Sign in" ???

Okay,....so how the HECK do we view this ?

Merry Christmas, Old Timer !

Greg
Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/26/15
Greg,

Sorry I had to change a setting in youtube as the music I used was copywrited. Should be able to view now.

Mack
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/26/15
Good thing there's no audio,....that too tight wiping stick had a fella turning the air blue, for a while there IIRC.

...that "tight bored" barrel sure does shoot like a house afire, though.

Watched all the dark low cumulus that's now blizzarding NM pass over last night,into a VERY dark dawn,...an "Arch" formed NW to SE, and the sky cleared,...one can smell the Polar bear pizz and seal dung in the N X NW wind that's up now.

....this ain't an Az., "Warm Cold"

Cheers!

GTC

Posted By: mack5511 Re: Remington #1 Build. - 12/26/15
Audio wasn't to profane but with all the other shooters in the background I thought music would be a better background plus I was trying to figure out the whole video editing software I was using. Now if I could figure out on the audio track to just mute the loud "bangs" and not the voices I would keep it. You passed along some very valuable information in that shooting session. I have a almost an hour or more of unedited footage that could be split up into more manageable chunks.

I will see if I can put some more together in the rest of my downtime.

Although I am trying to pin Dan down for a beer or lunch Mon or Tues. I will pass along your well wishes Greg.

Mack
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Remington #1 Build. - 01/04/16
A rather final evolution,...Packing one up RIGHT

The bottom of this box was made up of clear kiln dried pine
planks, 1 X 8 and 1 X 6,...the rest, odds and ends of good material, with LOTS of wood glue and Torx head screws. You could block up a truck with it.

[Linked Image]

"Pool Noodles" are on sale every Fall, Early Winter here, at giveaway prices... as well as being the BEST pipe insulation going, ...you'll never work with a better material For packing a long arm,...Bubble wrap has it's place, too,...that stuff is damned sure getting SPENDY, though. There are longitudinal and transverse wooden cleats, and some well padded tying wires holding the whole shebang in skew

[Linked Image]

Some ossified, splintery old Fir 1/2" ply suffices for a lid, again LOTS of screws.

[Linked Image]

You CANNOT ship a wooden box, bare, anymore. The shippers and freight outfits want cardboard or heavy paper covering em'. Get your box / crate sizing calc'd right, and that part becomes fairly EASY....bang, zoom, done.

[Linked Image]

Another "Adios'" in play here,...wishin' I'd gotten in more time behind this one,....the weather simply hasn't cooperated.Things work out right, I'll be seeing it again, though.If it turns up at one of your gatherings, grab ahold of it, swing it around a bit, bum a round or two of good BP ammo from one of the main perpetrators and ENJOY !
© 24hourcampfire