I order me a Timney trigger 3 lb pull for my number two Bushmaster AR. My primary Bushmaster AR has the Chip McCormick trigger and the Timney will have to be good to beat it. I do like the AR for a calling rifle when hunting Coyotes. I decided to use this second rifle more so the factory trigger had to go. Should receive from Midway sometime this week. Anyone else use this trigger?

I have one on my "hunting" AR and really like it. I would put one on my plinking AR too but it's chambered in 5.45X39 and needs a heavy duty hammer spring to set off those communist primers.

Terry

i dont have a timney, but do have a RR two stage.. i really like it alot.


peabody

Peabody,

I am really glad you brought that one up. After reading the latest article in Shooting times I was leaning toward the Timney on my still unfired DPMS but was concerned about the lighter hammer fall on this unit as reported by the nice guys here on this forum and verified by the ST article had me uneasy as I do have this DPMS in part as a rifle that could be a part of my familys home defense strategy in the event of a cataclismic economic collapse and want the rifle to be reliable as well as shooter friendly. Might quit trying to make this rifle fill both roles and just buy a CTME or other high capacity semi auto 308 but am wondering if the RR two stage is the more reliable option between the two. Any knowledge of its hammer strike force vs mil spec on the RRA setup?

The Timney is a very reliable trigger. Never had a malfunction or a misfire with mine. I would bet most of the naysayers don't have much if any real experience with them.

Terry

Light pull weight single stage AR triggers aren't my particular preference for much other than hunting. That said, the NM RRA doesn't enjoy the reputation of being the most durable trigger on the planet. The disconnector rivet is what is known to fail on them turning them into a heavy single stage trigger. This rivet can be replaced with a hardened steel pin in order to make a more durable trigger. Adco sometimes has these beefed up RRA NM triggers in stock. I've never seen light strikes out of either the standard or beefed up RRA NM's or the Geissele SSA's that I have.

You think we make this stuff up?
Lighter trigger pulls achieved by lighter springs are notorious for the loudest sound in the world...click!

As Hound said you can replace the rivet with a steel pin that is captured by the lower and make it a better trigger, still not the best or 100% but better.

The original brad removed and the longer SS pin

You can see the pin won't go anywhere as the sides of the lower hold it in place. You also need to cut the hammer spring back so it rides in front of the pin but is still in service.

I have a Timney 3# in a custom AR. I like it very much, it's my dogtown AR.

Tom, that's all real nice but it has nothing to do with a Timney trigger which is what I assumed this thread was about. The Timney is a pretuned selfcontained trigger system that has nothing in common with any of the pictures posted. I have found it to be 100% reliable and a very nice trigger.

No, I don't think you made anything up but I know you aren't talking about a Timney trigger system either

Terry

I had a Timney for several months in my AR, the skeletonized 3lb version and it was very crisp and very reliable. I agree with TC1 in that the Timney is not comparable to other triggers because it is factory pre-set and self contained. It is not a new set of springs or a drop in polished part.

Post #4 in this thread adds a new direction.

Well my post after specifically stated what I was talking about. And no, I never said either of you made anything up. But in post #4 a reference is made about the Timney AR-15 trigger having a light strike which is a statement I've found not to be accurate. I've had mine for over two years and have fired mil-surp, factory and reloaded ammo with it and have yet to pull the trigger and get a light strike. The Timney is a completely different system. To assume it has a light strike because others do is wrong. That was the point of my post which has proven itself to be true.

Terry

I also never had a light strike with mine, firing everything from Wolf steel case to Federal Lake City to commercial rounds.

OK, leaning once again towards the timney.....

I have never had a misfire with the Chip McCormick and it is a self contained AR trigger with a very light pull and it has never doubled. I believe the Timney will be as good or better.

TC, I'm not sure what you're so wound up about. My post specifically stated what I was talking about too. Notice I didn't say the Timney had light strikes. Also notice that in post #4 a question is directly asked about the RRA NM. Then you state "Tom, that's all real nice but it has nothing to do with a Timney trigger which is what I assumed this thread was about. The Timney is a pretuned selfcontained trigger system that has nothing in common with any of the pictures posted. I have found it to be 100% reliable and a very nice trigger." I'm not particularly saying you're right, wrong, or indifferent. Just answering his question about a particular trigger's reputation for duarbility.

I'm not wound up about anything. Tom asked if I thought he was making this stuff up and I answered his question. My reply was aimed only at the reference about Timney triggers having a light strike. I think you're trying to draw some emotion out of my post that just isn't there. I don't have a problem on this end, do you?

Terry

No problem here... Just correcting an incorrect assumption and trying to stay on the same sheet;)

No incorrect assumptions here. You're only reading the parts you want to. Nobody here seems to have a problem with it but you. I'll try to help you out and quote all of it so maybe you'll get it this time.

I wrote:

Then TRW wrote : I'm pretty sure this was a reply to my post.

Then I wrote a reply to his post which was respectful:

Then you got involved and it's done nothing but get petty from that point on. Go ahead and have the last word, I'm finished with it.



Terry

I should cancel the internet.

Terry, you sir are correct I have never seen a Timney for an AR but I have owned a few Jewell triggers that are thought so highly of and did have light strikes. Even seen light strikes with reduced power springs. I would be surprised if Timney got a better trigger pull without lighter springs but I could be wrong. I have tried a 700 Timney and was not impressed with the cheap aluminum housing or anything else about it. Every brand of match trigger with the exception of Geissele has had problems when ran hard and long enough.

Anyway post #4 leaned towards HD or TEOTWAWKI use and I will never reccomend a "target" type trigger for hard use except for the Geissele maybe. Even my "has to go bang" gun has a factory Colt trigger in it. My other 2 run the improved (?) RRNM as I showed and was asked about, they are for hunting.

I told you before to state your opinion, I'll certainly state mine. Just please don't take it personal, it's not meant to be.

I don't know I went in so many directions trying to be respectful that I didn't make any sense. The fact that my 4 yo granddaughter is in my lap now tells me this stuff ain't important. sorry.

One upside to the Timney is that if it does break, you knock out two pins, put in your spare (you do own a spare right? ) and you're back to shooting. No springs to adjust or chase around the range. Try that with any other trigger.

I didn't take it personal and knew you didn't either.

I think (could be wrong) that Timney is able to get this trigger this light and crisp because they control the entire workings of the trigger system because they supply the housing, instead of trying to get a trigger to mesh up on a million different receivers. Think about it. If you are 100% sure of the sear engagement it's not a problem to have much tighter tolerences and a much lighter pull without sacrificing usability. I actually like the remington 700 Timney and really like the Timney sportsman for the M98.

I Personally don't have have problem with the aluminum housing, it matches the rest of the rifle

Terry

Both of us may be interpreting what was asked in different ways as it seems what I quoted is not what you quoted as important points in the thread. Different perspectives. Nothing to be particularly petty over.

That is a good point. Perhaps I will get a spare when my cash flow is better as a spare Timney would indeed be a quick R&R in a pinch.

I think I will get the Timney for my DPMS and see for myself how it works. Not too far down the road will hope to add a high cap .308 in all stock configuration to the arsenal. M-14, CETME or AR-10.

Not meant to dig on anyones trigger choice but here's a good look at several triggers and pay particular attention to the guy from Timney's words about light strikes. If you don't want to read it, the tester had light strikes and was told the trigger was never meant for miliatry grade ammo but if you intend to use it, buy the AR10 version. I can't say it any better.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=12170
Also pay attention when he says "the pins could fall out" KNS pins would be a must for this trigger.

Again not meant to dig but good info I thought should be shared.

If there was the slightest chance of the pins falling out the guy didn't have the trigger installed properly to begin with.

I've shot a lot of Mil-Surp ammo with mine and have yet to experience a misfire. Of coarse this is just my own first hand personal experience with the trigger in question.

Terry

If I wanted to buy the Geissele trigger set up, where would I go to do that?

Terry, screws do come loose... just saying.
I'm also glad you haven't had any light strikes or problems at all with yours. Doesn't mean the next one will perform the same.

Safariman, Brownells has them in stock. Geissele does make a non adjustable trigger but they are hard to come by being $100 cheaper.

that's true, but second and third hand parroted info from a guy that calls himself Septic-Tank doesn't prove anything either. I'm absolutely sure I could come up with a bunch of quotes from people that are very happy with thier Timney AR triggers.

As far as the loose pins go, I stand by my statment. If the pins were loose the unit needs attention. If it moves in the action that could very well be the reason for the light strikes. If it was correct there is no way the pins could ever come out and the screw shouldn't back out on is own.

Terry

On the Geissele triggers, cost aside which is the prefered model, Adjustable or non-adjustable? I may give one a try.

Terry

I only have one AR with a Timney and I think it is fixed at 3lb, It has worked as expected, I also have a jewell that has never failed and several RRA that have been tweaked.
I have a NM in my M15T from Armalite and I would put it up against all the others I own, it is smooth and very crisp.

The Timney trigger will be used for hunting coyotes on my AR . If the rifle was for Military use i would keep the original trigger because you don't need a 3 lb trigger on a Military grade AR. I want to shoot small groups not small people. The factory trigger isn't all that bad for hunting but it is hard to shoot 1/2 or smaller groups with a 5 to 6 lb trigger. I like the self contained trigger on the AR because they are straight forward and can be replaced in a hurry if you need to. As far as the pins falling out i had to use a punch and small hammer to take the McCormick out and to put it back in the receiver. The pins fit very tight.

Terry, did you even read the link?
First he said "if" the screws cae loose there's nothing to keep the pins in place.
Second call Timney yourself and prove the guy wrong, speak with Jason Mladineo and ask him if he was misquoted, ask him if the trigger was designed for mil surplus ammo.

As for which Geissele is preferable, you will have to decide for yourself my reccomendations would only be "parroted".

I never said the Timney was commando approved. Only that it was a nice trigger worthy of consideration. I stated my own personal experience with it which includes shooting lots of mil-spec ammo though it and as usual some seem to have a problem with that. If he only said "if" that would pretty much make it a non-issue and not even worthy of disscusion. For someone who doesn't want to dig on anyone's equipment choices you sure seem to be putting a lot of effort into this.

As far as parroting info goes, it's the Internet. I can find a post to back up any point of view I care to take. I'm Going by my own experience not what septic-tank thinks about it. I'm sort of surprised you went there.

From your last statment I can only assume you're taking this personal and will end this here. There are already enough people on this thread that confirm what I've said about the trigger.



Terry

"I never said the Timney was commando approved."

Then why did you argue when it was suggested it wasn't?

"If he only said "if" that would pretty much make it a non-issue and not even worthy of disscusion."

a direct quote; "My favorite drop in trigger was a tie. I liked my CMC two stage flat trigger as much as any I tried, but the JP unit was right there alongside. All proved to be great units, but if you consider the possibility that the screws that hold the assembly in place for the JP and Timney could back off, you could have a problem. In the case of the Timney there is nothing to stop the pins from falling out should the screws loosen, however a set of KNS pins would remedy the issue should you choose to employ that kind of contingency. The JP does have pins that screw together, so even if you lost the tension of the assembly screws, you could conceivably stay in the race unless more problems arose."


"For someone who doesn't want to dig on anyone's equipment choices you sure seem to be putting a lot of effort into this."

Not anymore.

I have the Flat CMC Trigger in my #1 AR and just wanted to try the Timney in my 2ND one. One other thing i don't like two stage triggers for hunting. I read the article and it was very informative . I may replace the pins for the Timney with the KNS pins just to eliminate a potential problems. I have tried the RR Two Stage Match trigger and it is one great factory trigger but just prefer single stage for the field and calling . The two stage Bushmaster sucked. This is the AR with the CMC Flat Trigger Single Stage.

Safariman, shoot me a PM and maybe I can help you with the Geissele.

Jason hasn't worked for Timney for quite some time so the information is rather old.

Timney does address any problem which might or does come up. The screw backing out was never really an issue if they were installed correctly, but was addressed by supplying the trigger with the 4 screws, 2 set screws to be used to set the install screws. The spring ratings were also addressed and they brought out the AR10 for the crappy imported 308 ammo that was hard to ignite.

Hound Va,

Sent you the PM. If I could get a Geisselle for less than the national debt would be really cool.

Side note, after getting used to the AWFUL factory trigger DPMS sent with its rifle (Why?) and shoot a couple dozen moly coated rounds down the brand new tube I was able to put three Moly'ed 60gr V-max's into a nice little cloverleaf at 100 yards. This rifle definately warrants a good trigger to see what it will really do!

I have an ar 10 with a Timney trigger installed. I am having trouble with this trigger set up. It will shoot match ammo with no hiccups but put ball ammo in it and it doesn't hit the primer hard enough to go off. The web site for timney doesn't have a "contact us" option. Does anyone know if they sell stronger hammer springs, or have any advice?

yes they do.

number is 602-274-2999

I don't have an AR, but now I see how wars get started and we may need one...

im running timneys and chips now never had a problem with either, i also have a couple of bill springfields trigger jobs that are very nice for the $54 that they cost i dont run any mil ammo in anything that i shoot its all handloads never had a misfire due to weak springs Ron

I have 2 AR's and have a Timney 3 lb. skeletonized trigger in my scoped Bushmaster HBAR Match rifle. It has been great with no problems so far after about 500 rounds fired. My other AR (S&W M&P15A M4 style) has a GI fire control group and every time I use it I realize how spoiled the Timney in the Bushy has made me.