Folks
I'm going to buy a new trigger group for my AR build ( 20" Krieger Varmatch-223 Wylde -A2 butt. Krieger free floating hand guards ) . I called Geissele today and they suggested either the Hi- Speed NM model DMR or the SSA-E .
I plan to punch paper , non competitively and a little fox/coyote & groundhog hunting .

Wondering if any users of the above have any light to shed here.

Thank youall in advance for your time and help .
Semper Fi
Soup

I have two SSA-E's, and one SSA and love them. I have not tried either the Hi-speed NM or the DMR.

I've also got an SSA-E and that thing is as smooth as silk. Won't have any other trigger on my AR's.

If you want a "match" trigger, and the best AR trigger made, get an AR Gold. They make a non-adjustable and an adjustable version. For a defensive carbine, I'd rate the Geissele Super Dynamic Combat (I like the straight one) as tops. It has SOCOM creds, the select fire version does anyway.

For target shooting the Hi-Speed NM is the way to go. The second stage is set at about 1 pound and is very slick.

I have a high speed match rifle geissele in my ar. It has a 2# first stage and a 1# second stage. That is a bit lighter than the non adjustable aftermarket triggers out there including geissele's other models. That is about the ideal pull weight IMO for an all around rifle. you don't want the first stage any lighter because you want a distinct wall that is easy to feel. same with the 1# second stage. it needs to be around that so you can feel that wall. my trigger will go quite a bit lighter though.

if I was doing it all over again I would try a RRA VARMINT trigger, this is a different trigger than the national match which is what most guys have. The varmint is 3.5 # and honestly Its at clean as my geissele at least the one I played with was. they are only 89 bucks over at ar 15.com

I've got a the hi-speed triggers in my space gun and service rifle and as far as I'm concerned, they are as good a trigger as I've ever used including my PALMA and LR XTC bolt guns. Not as impressed yet with the G2S model even though it was half the price of the hi-speed, but the jury is still out on it.

I put an SSA-E in my Sig 400 Hunter. MAN, what an improvement; I love it!

I have two SSA-E's and am more than pleased given my needs. My son just bought one on Christmas sale from one of the mail-order places for $135 IIRC. A bargain.

Im very impressed with the high speed NM in my LR308. It is a very nice trigger.

You won't find better AR trigger out there.

SSA-E is simply awesome! A great improvement over the regular AR trigger and would be a great precision rifle trigger.

Save a few dollars and get a Timney.

Get what you pay for... RE a Timney

Had a Timney still have a Geissele

Of course I should add, Timney better than factory, and in the end, it can all depend on how picky you are.

Bill does great design work though and worth every penny and then some for what you get in return.

First thing I do to a new AR is install an SSA-E

I'm going to bet the $135 one was the G2S model, not the SSA-E. I just bought two G2S from Primary arms for $135 each and the SSA-E were about $190. I've never seen them cheaper than that. I would have bought the SSA-E but they were out of stock.

I have two Geisseles, they are very good triggers.

Only caution I would place on them is that they have very strong springs and so if you are using thin SR (Fed/Win) primers or LP/SP primers, you might get some pierced primers.

I was having a problem with pierced primers working up loads with my .338 Spectre and finally figured out it was the trigger. Switched to a lower with a Chip McCormick trigger and the issue disappeared.

Good to know.

I've never wanted to use thin primers... even in the late 80s thin primers and heavy springs didn't mix well...

Light springs give such a slower lock time that it bothers me. Probably doens't matter, but bothers me to be able to hear the difference.

That explains why I was piercing primers and ruined the FP on my match rifle with the Hi-Speed and Win blue box primers. Switched to Wolf SRM and no more problems. The Win primers work fine in my Sako .222 though.

Good trigger, good suggestion.

Great information here for a guy looking to build one soon.

Thank you all for the input.

I have an SSA-E. It is a world above the SSA. The second stage is about 2 lbs. It might have a tiny bit of creep but as soon as you start squeezing it to try to determine if you can detect the creep , it goes off. I personally think they are better quality and more durable than the Timney. I can't imagine a better trigger in a non bench rest gun. The SSA-E gives you the safety of a two stage with an excellent 2 lb second stage all in a non enclosed durable trigger.

I would be willing to bet that there are 5-10 Timneys out there for every Geissele.

So why are AR triggers most all two stage? Is it supposed to be safer than a single stage?

Jeff

I'll bet there are 50 Bushmasters for every Noveske.

OK now lets do Taurus 1911 vs Les Baer 1911.

Go

I got a Les Baer too. Never had a Taurus

I'll bet there are 20 members here with nothing to contribute for every 1 whose posts are worthwhile.

I like the 2 stage SSA-E, Never had a pierced primer in a thousand + federal #205 primers in my DD 5.56 pencil barrel upper/LMT lower, got another thou to go will report back. I have 3 of them no problems so far.

I think most members with a brain and whom are willing to use it will get the coralation between the timney geissele ,bushmaster noveske ,taurus Les Baer

All serviceable products but some are just better.

which model? got a picture? How does it shoot? How long have you had it??

[quote=j_elky]So why are AR triggers most all two stage? Is it supposed to be safer than a single stage?

There is more to the story, but in general- yes.

The last thing I want are unsafe firearms in my gun safe.

I looked and there are no safely precautions included within the Timney packaging.

Please explain.

after shooting an AR quite a bit lately. I have become a huge fan of the 2 stage trigger. I just hit with it. I don't know why anyone would put a single stage trigger in an AR especially one that is supposed to be an upgrade.

I just switched to a single stage from an SSA-E. For fast shooting at around 100ish yards I found the two stages messed up my timing.

Up close they're equal. At distance the Geisselle was the clear winner. But in the middle the single stage has been better for me.

TTT

The Timney trigger adjustments are known to come loose if proper precautions aren't taken. The jam nut comes loose and the set screw comes loose rendering the gun inoperable. Make sure they are tight,locktite,and a dab of epoxy over them

Folks,
I thank one and all for your input and knowledge sharing . I called Geissele and they suggested the DMR model for my use . Right now they are scarce but I can wait . I did see one at the Oaks , PA gun show yesterday but it was previously in a rifle and no paper work . Plus the dealer wanted nib list price- I passed .

If anyone uses a DMR for other than competitive shooting please let me know .

Merry Christmas to all.
Soup

Yes, I have and it's a fantastic trigger. I've never felt a better one for an AR.

You need to go to RAINIER ARMS and order that trigger. If you buy it there they will include all the extra springs for free. You will essentially have a Service rifle, DMR and NM trigger in one pack. They are in stock too.

Just my thoughts.

For a do all AR trigger I've been completely pleased with the SSA-E. I'm just getting into 3 gun but am impressed with the S3G single stage for all the reasons Blue mentioned. My precision AR has the SD-E straight blade and again I've got zero complaints.

All of mine came from Rainier Arms as they are 15 minutes from me.

Folks,
I received an email from Geissele to let me know the DMR is now available
. Called them but they are unable to take a phone order from an individual at this time and requested I order thru their web site which I did with no issues . They ship Priority Mail at no charge . Hopefully I'll have it Monday .

NOW I'm in the market for a Leupold scope . I'm thinking a varible -matte finish and I would like to try a side focus -the key word is TRY . What I saw were very expensive . Anyone with some personal input here ?

Thank you in advance for your time and help.
Soup

Folks,
I received the DMR yesterday and installed it with no problems . The kit is complete and instructions clear . Compared to the stock trigger I had in the rifle it is fantastic . You can feel the 1st stage end and the crisp candy cane like break of the second stage is fantastic .
However the instructions state that you should adjust it , I like it just way it is . Has anyone installed a DMR and shot it just the way Geiselle set it up ? I figured I would wait to shoot it a bit before I did any adjusting .
Good shooting,
Soup

No, because it has an adjustable sear and I wanted to take full advantage of that feature. I also like like running the the NM first stage spring with the DMR second stage spring. Last but not least the second stage poundage is adjustable. I like mine to barely touch the second stage wall but still be able to hold there without the rifle firing. Between the 2nd stage spring adjustment and the adjustable sear engagement, I can achieve the perfect (for me) trigger.

Now, if you like it like it is then by all means, stick with it. The sear might be set up perfectly already.

Below is a link where Mr Geiselle himself walks you through the installation and adjustment process. It's a little dry but worth the time if you own the trigger.

TTT

I have the match rifle version which is I think the same trigger just with different springs. its capable of being geissele's lightest trigger. I too just installed the trigger as is and liked it where it was set. The problem is I got a double tap with it like that. I think another problem I had was my pull weights were inconsistent as well, sometimes it would be a 14 oz 2nd stage other times it would be 6 oz. It was difficult to shoot it like that. so on mine I adjusted the pull weight up so it was a full 1# second stage. Then I adjusted the sear engagement which IMO is a little difficult to get just right and may require some experimentation. The way mine is set at the moment I would actually probably like less sear engagement. your dealing with such small tolerances perhaps it might even change a bit after the trigger wears in?