Can somebody recommend a good one?

It will see a lot of rounds. 11.5" barrel is what I'm wanting.




Travis

pistol caliber or 223?

I wouldn't know either way, but figured I'd ask so I can note the replies.

Yes. .223/5.56.

THE cartridge.



Travis

https://danieldefense.com/firearms/mk18-pistol.html

Colt 6933

I need something a little...less expensive.



Travis

Yeah. That's what I'm trying to achieve.



Travis

http://palmettostatearmory.com/catalog/product/view/id/2109/

Plus BCG, CH, Lower & Parts, & Stock & buffer tube.............

MM

Yeah. I was hoping to buy the whole enchilada.

Maybe I need to dig up some Bluedreuax threads and have 'Flave Precision build it for me.



Dave

Buy a complete upper, build the lower, probably the most cost effective route, depending on how high you want to go on the top end.

PSA's got a lot of fairly low priced uppers..........just don't forget that for the most part, you get what you pay for.

MM

Gonna suppress it a lot or no?

Also, brah, SBR it.

When they have sales on lowers and bcg's ~$600

here ya go, 6mm whisper , barnes varmint grenades at 2400fps or 105-115 Bergers subsonic, right hand never leaves the grip.



Santa hat not included.

Good God man.



Dave

I want to have some time with that barrel length before I determine. This would be a less-committed/expensive means of seeing if it's worth it.

I kinda gave up on the idea but then I watched John Wick again so now I'm back to trying one.

But to answer your question it will primarily be ran without a can.



Travis

Check this out Flave.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?33743-Best-Suppressed-SBR-Ever

Good read.





Travis

Use an high quality adjustable gas block.

MM

Recommend a high quality adjustable gas block please.




Dave

Syrac ordinance!!

Reminds me of a calico cat

For the gas block?



Travis

I've got an SLR adjustable gas block that I just started messing with and so far I don't have any complaints.

What's your budget?

SLR Rifleworks
JP Rifles
Seekins Precision

Make sure you know where the adjustments are & that they are accessible through whatever rail/handguard you are going to use.

Seekins are around $100 & JP is about the same as I recall.

SLR goes for around $175 or thereabouts.

MM

The simple button is to buy a BCM 11.5" upper with BCG and GFCH for $510 and put some $30 Magpul handguards on it. BCM generally ports their stuff correctly and I'd completely skip an adjustable gas block.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Standard-11-5-LIGHT-WEIGHT-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-car-11lw.htm

I don't know about the lower with the pistol buffer tube. I'm assuming it's a standard length tube. I'd start with a Sprinco white spring and an H2 buffer and go from there.

I looked around and didn't see a lot available for 11.5" barrels in the budget market. If it were me I'd start with Faxon and Rainier's budget line. I haven't used either but have heard enough good stuff to try them. They both publish the gas port sizes for their barrels and you could get an idea if an adjustable gas block would be needed.

The SLR can be had for around $100-$120.

If you build I'd look at ALG's new LPKs that come with a trigger. And if you go FF rail I'd look there too. I got an ALG rail recently and really like it a lot.

If you want to go balls out I'd get this....
BCM 12.5" barrel with carbine gas, but a fixed front sight post at the mid-length location so rails and hand guards will fit. It's $560 of Awesome+P.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-12-5-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-m4-12%20kd.htm

http://www.syracordnance.com/products/gen-ii-750-adjustable-low-pro-solid-gas-block

How bout a SIG PM400 Spartan 5.56!!

I don't have a budget. I just want to try an 11.5" AR so I can determine if it has any utility.




Dave

Was that so fugking difficult?

Thank you.



Travis

I think those are piston guns.



Travis

your thinking 516, the PM400 is DI plus its a weird color!! I don't know about the SIG's, never owned one I just saw the thing on gun broker with its embossed spartan helmet, and thought it looked cool and all.

Uber!

Well, KISS is usually the best plan but I suggested the adjustable gas block to allow for more flexibility if you were going to use it with & w/o a can.

MM

The Sig 400 is nice. I was looking at building a short .300 and walked into my local Crack dealer and he had the Sig sitting on the counter. Has backup sights and the Sig brace on it for $1300. Hard to build one with quality parts for that. Thinking of picking it up and getting the SBR stamp and might as well get a .30 suppressor while I still can use my trust the easy way.

You might be onto something with that one.




Travis

Same gun was $1150 at LGS

Clark I looked at it again, then I called SAG. They claim a melonite barrel but it looked bare steel to me

What the hell is melonite?





Travis

A word you use so apple-nanny spell check does not change Nitrided into Intruded

Melonite = salt bath nitriding.

I have a SIG 400 with a 16" barrel & bolt that is nitrided.

The finish of melonite is dark gray to black depending on the alloy & process, but is not as coarse a finish as is standard manganese phosphate which is used on many steel AR barrels & bolts.

Melonite is much tougher & provides a hard wear surface.

MM

does your barrel and chamber look "shiny"? I like how SIG tech tells me they only use chrome on the military intended guns and nitride on the civilian intended guns...Just sayin is all.

Flat black.

MM

then the Spartan PM400 I looked at in the chamber was "defective". It did have a nice spartan helmet embossed on the lower and came with a coupon for a lifetime supply of Trojans.

I need to build another AR so I like these threads.


On topic though you could always be the Campfire test dummy for one of these.

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-805-bren-s1-pistol/

The SIG I have is not a Spartan PM 400.............just a regular SIG M400 Enhanced model with a 16" barrel.

Like this one.

SIG M400 Enhanced

I don't use Trojans & I don't rent out pigs either

MM

Turns out to be the P400 Elite http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/pm400-elite.aspx

I will let you know how it shoots in a few days. I told him to hold it for me. I am going to do the stamp to SBR it and go ahead and pick up a suppressor while I can still go with my trust. Yeah I know you still can after June but I don't want to have to send in photos and prints for my whole family. Now another topic for advise. Which .30 can? I shall start another thread

A quick update:

I acquired a stripped lower and decided to move forward on this. I already had a Sig Brace I found in a clearance bin.

I tried to order what Blue recommended but they were all out of them so I went with this:

http://daytonatactical.com/collecti...a2-sight-tower-with-quadrail-no-80-lower

I have never heard of, or seen a Daytona Tactical but I can tell already this thing is going to be the most awesomest gun in my armory.

I cannot wait.




Dave

Always good to choose a company at random. That's living on the edge!




Travis

IPA and the Internet can lead to some strange places.

Fingers crossed.




Dave

My choice
http://www.apfarmory.com/apf-pistol-5-56x45/
With a couple upgrades

That could win bigly.




Dave

Let us know how it works!

I have always been partial to these:

Pink Pistol for Deflave.

They still have not worked out the suppressor issue which is their big draw back.

My UBER build digested 70 rounds without flaw.

All cases were dumped at the 1 o'clock and this thing is looking UBER.





Clark

I'd run a bigger bit in the gas port and see if you could get it to throw the cases at 12:00....







Jimmy

This thing is soooooo bigly.

Getting hundreds of PM's asking for pics. Standby.




Clark

Christ this thing is bigly.

What ammo did you use?

FYI, it's not as horribly obnoxious as I thought it would be as far as noise and muzzle blast. We wore inner and outer ears and had no issues.




Travis

My standard reloads:

75gr Hornady BTHP

Remington 7 1/2

Bigly amounts of CFE223

LC brass.

Holy fugk this thing is winning bigly.

I may have to SBR it and try a stock.

I wish Blue would give me affirmation of its awesomeness.




Dave

Why SBR vs the sig brace? I'm looking at building a 9mm AR for the spousal unit, 7 1/2" barrel with a suppressor. 2 stamps SBR vs just one if I go with the sig brace.

My Sig with a couple of Rugers

More flexibility.

I am kicking around the 9mm idea myself but not until Blue praises this build first.



Dave

That's pretty bigly.

But mine is better.




Dave

but the .300 Blkout is much more uber

Thinking either SBR or this: http://www.alloutdoorstech.com/news...als-adjustable-pistol-stabilizing-brace/

Blackouts suck.



Dave

Fixed it for ya

If you say so.

But I usually wake up in County and have to spend a schit ton on legal fees.




Dave

Is it really ejecting at 1 o'clock?

A Sig Brace owner is one over zealous ATF agent away from a felony charge.

Yesh.




Dave

2 o'clock might be a better description. I wasn't wearing a watch.




Travis

You should see the size of my right forearm.




Dave

Only if he has a warrant





and ignores my trespass warning at the end of my private road

As they ram your door down with a Striker vehicle"

Use your left hand for awhile. LOL

Yeah. That'll work.

.625" gas block? I've got a spare adjustable gas block if you wanna try it out.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, there Blue. I wasn't complaining. This thing's awesome!



Dave

They better have sense to bring something bigger than stryker

Have any of you losers tried a 7.5" SBR?




Dave

YouTube and Facebook have caught lot's of felons...

It's not a felony to build an AR with a Sig brace.



Dave

15 years ago I bought a Para Ordnance Carbon Fiber Type 97 AR15 pistol [before Bushmaster bought them] for $1000.
I shot it twice, and took it to the pawn shop and sold it for $850 on consignment.

I normally never sell guns, but I wanted to get it away from me. It was too loud and the flash was too bright, and I could not hit anything with it.

I trust you used that $850 to build another custom.



Dave

It might be amusing to have an AR pistol, Brace or not. But an FAL pistol would still be more Uber

I need to know what 7.5" is like before I place another order.



Dave

Whoa

Too small?



Dave

Sling the sig brace and go with the blade. It even comes with the ATF ok letter

Will do!




Dave

did you get a temporary case of PTSD?

I never fought in Viet Nam. I had a college deferment and a high draft number.

I own my weight in handguns. I am attracted to them. Especially Colts.

1) But the noise from the AR15 handgun was coming through the hearing protectors AND the ear plugs.
2) At the range, the employee would run to see what was causing the flash.
3) I could not keep the groups on the paper.

I was repulsed by that hand gun.
Three strikes and you are out.