So I took the wife to a range today. We shot revolvers, in which my Servic Six trigger locked up.


But anyway I went to shoot my AR's. The Colt a4 worked great, nothing serious just shot a few rounds at 50 yards.

I got out my Serenity Arms Texas Patriot rifle. Load 5 rounds. 1,2,3, then burped out the last 2. I thought what the hell. Loaded 2 rounds, they singled just fine. Loaded 5 rounds. 1,2, the burped out the last 3.

Now this rifle came with a 3 to 3.5 trigger installed..

What do y'all think could be the problem?

Trigger

Well that's good to know.

Fishy sounding rifle sounds fishy. Never heard of them before.

Possibe bump fire?

Could be bad disconnector or disconnector spring installed incorrectly or the whole trigger assembly.

Need more info on this part.

WHAT trigger? Thats very typical of someone that thinks they can take a stock trigger and tune it with some polishing and a set screw or so.... eventually they all go the burp route...

Getting a SAFE 3 pound single stage trigger without a drop in unit or going 2 stage just ain't going to happen on the AR.

The info I have reads 3 lb trigger group. That's all I can tell you.

I"d call them, and see whats in it.

Your reason is exactly why, on the cheap, the ONLY way to get to a 3 ish pound trigger is run RRA Varmint 2 stage.. you WILL learn how to deal with the 2 stage part.

We've shot them off and on so many years, its like driving a stick... you don't even think about it...

A complete trigger replacement and I bet your problem goes away. If you or a friend has a spare change it out and test.

Otherwise troubleshooting your unit may be cheaper than buying another trigger.

Check to see that the disconnector spring is installed large end down. If not correct and test.

Second if spring was correctly installed, replace disconnector with another of known value and test.

Last option is complete replacement of whole trigger unit.

I agree with what ROST said above.

Sorry for the cut to the chase response but a 3lb trigger is the problem. Unless it's a canister trigger or a 2 stage which I'm sure you'd of said, it's going to need replacing. Way too many things can be done that can't be undone to try and diagnose over the internet.

Buy a good 2 stage trigger of your choice and move on.

This^^ Happened to me! Very small spring either missing or installed incorrectly!

You don't need a new trigger man!! geezz

bump fire, replace the trigger with a LaRue or Geissele 2 stage.

Just saying....

From December, 2014

So you are good with a 3 pound single stage "factory" trigger that's been tuned in an AR15?

Yeah, when I posted, I thought to myself,; Blue mentioned something like that. The salt stings a little.....

I would order a new Ruger two-stage or a Rock River.






Dave

I will look into that. La Rue might be an option, they're like 5 miles from the house.

La Rue won't be cheap? RRA varmints were under 100 some time back... Don't let me be too much of an influence.

Though I still would like to catch them at 62 each like they were

Just looked, they need to do that one in 3 or 3.5 in a drop in, single unit, and drop the price to around 100 bucks or so( I only looked at price at Rugers site...)

I'm saying before you go drop a bunch of money on a new fcg check the disconnect spring!

CDNN had them for $99.99 so I grabbed one.



Dave

And I'm saying a 3 pound doctored factory single stage trigger that doesn't work right is the BEST thing to ever happen, so that it gets junked and replaced. Not fixed. It'll keep doing it over and over again eventually. Not something I want in one of my guns. YMMV.

For a single unit thats nto a bad price. I bet I could figure out how to make it into a 3 or 3.5 pound trigger with a bit of looking... but you need 4.5 or more to pass weight... I think you got a decent price for sure.

I got another one from Trigger Tech coming that I'm going to put in my other Colt. We'll see how it do.




Dave

A gunsmith friend of mine back in Dickinson ND, said he used to install light triggers. PIA he said, guys would bring them back after double taps and triples. He said they get out of adjustment.

He said on Gunbroker there are triggers made in AZ. Velocity triggers. They are modular just like the Ruger.

Anyway Serenity Arms left me a message today. He said he would pick it up and fix it.

I would NOT let him "fix" it, it will happen again.

I'd make him replace it with something reliable.

Just IMHO.

Heck buy a RRA Varmint, and I'll put it in, its not rocket science. But it is 2 stage

Just got of the phone. He will replace it with an better trigger.

Good news.

Got one in a carbine I have. If you're a single stage guy, I think they're a good option. Quick and easy to install and so far after a couple thousand rounds, no burps.

I'm going to put another one in my current build.

Do not return to the range with that thing until you get it fixed. At least twice I've read of guys who got in dutch with the feds because their guns did exactly what yours did. Even though both were genuine malfunctions caused by mechanical failures, not garage tinkering, the feds came down hard on the owners. Even if you don't end up in the pokey, you probably will lose the rifle, and spend money on lawyers, if they get involved.

I understand that is a problem with ALL light single stage AR triggers, even the cartridges.

If you want an install and forget about it trigger, get a 2 stage.

How do you guys eliminate the primers from being the problem without asking how they are loaded. Maybe a dumb question or a simple answer that I haven't thought out.

How could the primers be a problem?

I have 6 TIMNEY 3lb triggers and never had a single problem.

Yeah but the timneys I've pulled had enough creep in them to make them safe....

If it were primers, don't ya think the whole mag would have emptied out?

I've seen probably who knows how many millions of AR rounds fired... literally, lots of matches... and I"ve seen 2 slam fires that might have been primer related.

Mind you I don't use federal or WW primers for the AR, but even then this is a trigger issue. Not a primer issue, 99% sure of that.

None of mine have creep either if they did I wouldn't use them.

Send one this way, I"ve never felt a timney without creep. If I did, I'd have bought some.

But i'm pretty picky now... I mean I can feel creep otehrs can't... probably due to hundreds of thousands of competition AR rounds downrange....

Well, I think.

And then my brain tells me that primers weren't the problem.




Dave

Agree completely.

"They're just as good as" is the common thing I hear from guys buying cheap crap, then later wondering why their DPMS/Bushmaster/mossberg doesn't run right.

Going cheap is a false economy, if you actually plan on shooting more than a couple hundred rounds a year through an AR.

When you get one from a company with decades of experience building guns for the military (Like FN and Colt) odds are the little extra you spent will result in a higher likelihood of having a rifle that will continue to run for a long period of time.

And most claiming "just as good as" have nothing to compare the cheaper ones with.

It's always funny when someone's eyes are finally opened...

Some people's stinginess prevents them from ever truly getting their eyes fully opened.

MM

And the other stingy ones realized its not rocket science and have assembled their own since the 80s without any issues. LOL.

You can generally almost never go wrong with respected brand names. Thats a given.

The flip side was years ago before all the options I bought a colt RE above comments, IE buy known.. and then took it apart and put all the service rifle stuff on it to compete. Had a colt lower and buttstock left, and a few of the internals, but new trigger. Had a colt upper left, with FA and dust cover and flash hider left.

Just made no sense at the time.

But now, there are so many good ready to roll options by good names and thats good.

And the cheap stuff, well you takes your chances..... my nephew has had good luck with some of the cheap stuff, even to the point of accuracy. Others not so much.

Back in the day we had Colt,Armalite, BM and Oly along with a few others but that was about it for a factory gun.

Colt went through a period or periods where their QC didn't exist.

Today's Colts have been refined just not much interest in match guns so it depends on what you're after. I can feel the difference from the pull of the charging handle to the recoil impulse on my 6920.

But then going full custom with better parts makes a difference too. Quality just doesn't come at entry level prices.

Oly, that just still gives me shivers. I'd forgotten about them. The only factory gun I've ever had issues with.

Sorry to remind you of them. Seen lot's of problems with them.

Hell you and I would have nothing to talk about if all there were is oly and colt.....

For anyone interested the name of the 3 pound trigger was Dark Sky.

If you want to stay with a single stage on a budget, I highly recommend the JMT Tactical Saber. Very nice cassettes unit with a pull around 3.5 #'s, minimal creep and includes both set screws and antirotation pins for install am deathly runs $100. It's not on par with the high end Elfs and Geisselles but my example is better then anything I have tried under $200.

Do you really think there's that much difference between triggers? Most of what I've seen is feature differences that are more a matter of preference than any real "shootability" difference.

In terms of results on target for 95% of shooters I do feel there is a potential advantage myself included. For the maybe 5% of the premier shooters out there that can make any gun shoot to its full potential all the time, well then probably not.

There is definite differences in design, looks, feel etc which of course leads to personal preferences and if a guy believes in his weapon he is likely to shoot it better in my experience. I do agree that most "advantages" are more perceived then real world.

That said, those with above average abilities can shoot just about any weapon more then adequately.

I've shot winning scores at Perry with a malfunctioned M1A trigger that we hit with a strip of emory, and I shot for 2 weeks at over 8 pounds...

I've lost with finely tuned barely passing weight triggers too.

Good shooters overcome.

That said, there is NO doubt its easier to shoot with a finely tuned trigger. No doubt at all.

As to feel, I also think that there is a personal ton of difference there... not that you can't get used to whatever, see all the I can't shoot 2 stage threads and well.... they are WRONG.

Yeah, Mallard Addict, but don't you think that just about all these aftermarket triggers that are better than the "tuned" GI triggers are pretty darn good?

Just seems to me like what Jeff said... any 2-stage under 6ish lbs or single stage under 4ish lbs and relatively crisp can't be all that bad.

I just really haven't got hold of what I'd call a "bad" aftermarket match trigger. I think I could shoot pretty good with about any of them. I'm not a big fan of "roll" triggers, but I'll bet most people could even shoot those.

You'd be amazed at what you can learn to shoot well.

Not that I enjoy the feel of some types of triggers, but what the hey, we just both got used to a glock 20 recently here.... can kill deer at 50 yards pretty easy with it now too with irons... its sure not a 1911 trigger.

Hmmm...how did I miss my favorite discussion! I've learned over the years that triggers are a tremendously personal choice. My preference is crispy two stage triggers. The trigger that delivered that the best is the KAC aka Stoner. Beyond that, they all can be good. I've won stuff with an RRA and with a Geiselle.

I know of some shooters way better than me that like what is commonly called a "roll trigger". Miles of creep. Like I said it's a personal choice.

I've had a bad aftermarket trigger. My first AR trigger was a CLE (There were only two choices at that time, and Charlie was backordered and stopped answering his phone). That trigger was unpredictable bordering on unsafe. I like Frank White, and I like anything else he makes...but not his triggers.

We've come a long way since then. There was a time when I could speak with first hand knowledge about near all of the aftermarket options. I don't think I get to first base even nowadays. These are great times for AR trigger choices.

It's all good, Now.

SERENITY NOW!