In order to manage iron aperture sight and scope on a ruger no 1; keeping the iron on the rifle all the time or mounting it as a QD on the quarter rib base, which aperture sight system would you prefer:

NECG QD sight Vs Williams FP-RSS Receiver Peep Sight

Best choice could also allow to shoot with the narrow aperture off for low light and quick target acquisition (kind of a ghost ring capability).

Use without the aperture on the NECG is really not an option. Tightening the aperture on it is what locks the elevation adjustment in place.

I've got a NECG on my 45-70 Ruger. Great sight. Not as good as a tang mount, but Rugers are limited.

Thanks for those inputs.

I ignored the aperture had such a functionality on the NECG (In Europe it's sold as a Recknagel accessory).

Do you had to replace your front sight with the NECG ?

Anyone uses the Williams ?

I use the NECG on a 6x55 and use the factory front sight.

I have a "modified NECG" rear aperature and I did change my front sight. My modified NECG allows more downward vertical travel. The guy at NECG explained to me that Ruger uses the same height front sight regardless of caliber/barrel outer diameter at the muzzle. Sometimes you get a good bounce of combinations and sometimes you don't (caliber, load/bullet weight, etc). Mine is a .35 Whelen and I was shooting over 6" high at 25y with factory Remington 200gr Core-Lokts. Heavier projectiles brought the POI down about 3" at 25y.

So I guess my 300 winnie is going to lead the POI much higher ?

true that. I've got one, and have been thinking about adding a small set screw (drilling
and tapping) to lock elevation with, so you could use it w/o the aperature.
Don't have it in front of me right now, but as I recall it looked like a simple modification.

As for the front sight height, somewhere I've seen different height (and bead size)
fronts offered for the No.1 Thought it was on the NECG site, but???
I've had mine first on a 9.3x74R and the stock front was perfect, shot it quite a bit.
Have since moved it over to a 450-400NE and only shot it 3 times with starter loads @
50 yards, but it seems like it's gonna be fine too. Guess I just got lucky.

I too am interested in the NECG. Can one drill the aperature to a large enough size to be useful as a hunter? jqck

I will have to get mine out and do some "re-measuring"
as the old memory is pretty foggy. Pretty sure the thread
size is 7/32" (.218)

It came with two aperatures, and I've only shot it with the
larger one. In halfway decent light I thought it would suffice
to hunt with, but did think of drilling the smaller one out
as large as it could stand.

I'll try to get back with you on that asap.

I have used NECG aperture sights on two different Ruger's. I had to replace the front sight on both of the ones I had. One of the Ruger's was a #1. Tom.

I've only tried the NECG sight on two Ruger No. 1's, a .375 H&H and a 9.3x74R. Both worked fine with the standard front sight, but both were rifles with fairly heavy barrels, shooting moderate-velocity loads. No doubt things would work out differently with a 1A .30-06....

Well, I forgot to take any measuring instruments home with
me, but did get the rifle with the NECG peep out of the safe
and look it over last night.

To my eye, the larger aperature is somwhere around 1/8",
the smaller 3/32".

After looking at it, I remembered why I side-lined the
project. Adding a small #4 or so set screw to allow locking
elevation would be fairly easy, could come from several different directions, would need to either be brass tipped
or else be careful not to overtighten - I'm thinking bearing
against the dovetail part of the elevation slider would work
best, but wouldn't want to mar it up...

BUT - the kicker is that there is a narrow U shaped groove
in front of the aperature, in the main body of the sight
that in my opionion would need to be enlarged to make use
of any larger aperature than the large one provided.
Doing this would completely eliminate the as-provided
locking mechanism, no going back. And you would either have
to shorten the front of the aperature(s) or else make a
spacer for it, so as not to protrude through front of the
slide. Not a big deal to me, but more involved than I
first thought.

On a side thought, man - do you think they could have built
this thing with any more sharp, square edges on it?
Have been tempted to round off some of them, but then it
will need re-blueing, powder coating, something.

Has anyone used the XS sight? They supposedly offer one but when I emailed to ask for a picture, they could not supply one. If it were something like the Weaver back up sights at the bottom of this page it might be useful.

http://www.xssights.com/index.php?nID=sights&cID=Sights&pID=sights&sID=rifle

The thread size of the NECG aperature is supposedly the same as a those used on Williams sights so that the Merit adjustable aperature will work on them. It's kinda on my list because I am happy with the larger aperature as it is right now.

I did deepen that "U-shaped groove" on mine to extend the vertical height adjustment (in addition to some other things) because I was impacting way high and the sight will adjust further down past the white lines but that U groove blocks the aperature at the bottom of adjustment. I got the travel I wanted but then I did get a taller front sight as well. I am now centered in my adjustment with all the travel I could want vertically downwards. In the process of ruining the future sellability of my NECG, I also did a "melt job" to it, rounding off all the right angle corners. I'll try to take a picture and post it. It definitely feels less likely to bite me

Thanks, I'd appreciate seeing the rounding off results.

You know, it is all coming back to me now why I stopped short of modifying mine.
I got to looking at it, and even with a large peep all the "meat" on the sides blocks off
a lot of the target. I was thinking about wanting to hunt with it out of a treestand in thick
woods, of course dawn and dusk come into play there. I someday want to make sort of a ghost
ring setup for it, might be easier to buy one - I've seen several for Marlins, tactical shotguns,
etc. and adapt it to the Ruger mounting system. If I can pull myself away from all my other
projects long enough ha ha. Currently on a motorcycling kick, spend all my "govt. work" time
making bike stuff it seems.

I had the same problem, so I cobbled this one together from an X/S Weaver back-up sight and a Burris Ruger to Weaver adapter. I have it on my KM77 RSI 7x57, but it will work just as well on a #1. I am going to make up another one specifically for my #1's. It does necessitate a taller front sight, but as straight as the buttstock comb is on Rugers, this sight lines up perfectly when I bring up the gun. It is still much lower than any one inch scope in the lowest possible rings.

Now that's what I'm talkin about! Nice, and really like the
rifle also.

Nice job. Can you detach it easily or is it supposed to work as a permanent sight ?

It detaches easily with the small torx wrench that comes with the adapters. On and off in about 10 seconds. You can put loctite on the screw on one side and that way it goes back to zero when removed and replaced.

Thanks, this gives an advantage on the XS sights ruger backup.

I have an NECG sight on an NEF handi-rifle, 45-70. Works just fine at the range. Haven't hunted with it yet. At one point, I had the sight on a Win. Model 70 in .375 H&H. I could get it to shoot to POA only with the 300 grain bullets. Lighter bullets shot unacceptably high, IIRC.
Pete

rj308,

Have you ever fired that Ruger 77 with that sight on it? It looks like the bolt handle will hit the rear sight. Call me skeptical.

If the bolt handle's move is the same as the one of a win 70 bolt, after the handle reaches the horizontal position the bolt moves backward while the handle continues to rise, so this gives some more space for a sight, very small space but space though.

RJ308, I like that front sight, what is it? I "need" one.

Thanks

My bad, it looks like the one in the xs set.

RJ308

I just looked at the Burris site and didn't see an adapter for a #1. Is it the same one for a 77 and a #1?

Gentlemen, I will answer a few of your questions. Yes I have fired the gun with this sight installed. Before I installed the front sight, I sighted it in using one of X/S's plastic "try" front sight posts, that you start very high and clip off segments until you arrive at the correct height. Then you measure the height of it and order your new front sight accordingly. Yes, there is plenty of bolt clearance. I made sure of that when I put it together. The Burris adapter that I used was the lower one of the two in the M77 set. There was a lot of filing involved, but it was worth it to me. With some 140 grain Hornady loads (7x57 Mauser) I fired a couple of 3 shot groups with this sight set-up that measured 1.25" and 1.4" It surprised me with my 63 year old eyes, but I have X/S ghost ring sights on many rifles and I am quite used to using them. I have shot some game with them also and I especially like the ability to see the game well as I align my sights to make the shot, as opposed to the the target and/or surrounding area being blotted out by the sight base and aperature as with the NECG sight. I also own a couple NECG's and now use them only occasionally for target shooting on my #1's

I dunno... that's a REALLY TALL front sight.

What is your height over bore? I'm guessing you are over an inch.

To an extent it doesn't matter how tall the sights are unless you are trying to shoot a snake in the eye at 2 feet. Shooting something even a few feet away, the most your bullet will be low is less than an inch if you are sighted in for a hundred yards.My sights are MUCH lower than a one inch scope in the lowest possible rings you can buy for, not just a Ruger rifle, but any rifle. If you want low sights then get a NECG receiver sight and not be able to see your game when the shot is available. As I said in a previous post, with the high comb on Ruger rifles, which is designed that way for good sight alignment when using a scope, it is difficult, unless you have a very skinny face, to get your head low enough on the stock to use the factory iron sights. Therefore the extra height of a set of sights like I have on my RSI, allows for perfect position and sight alignment for me, being of average build.

Here are the two at Midway:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=178948

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=855239

The set that fits the M77 rifle,(not M77/22) is the set that I bought and I used the shorter of the two bases to make my sight.

Another Alternative for a Ghost ring receiver sight on the Ruger rifles, which is also an X/S product is their Ruger Back-up receiver sight. However you will need two holes drilled in the scope rib and one of them tapped for 8-40 threads. I have them installed on my 77/22, 77/357 and 77/44 rifles. They are the same height as the sight I made up for my RSI and they require only one screw to install or detach. When removed and scope rings installed, the rear scope ring covers the two inconspicuous holes (one in the scope ring lug cut-out and the threaded one behind it), so you cannot even see the holes. These sights are very small and look good on the rifle. Another great feature of the X/S ghost ring sights is that you can get several different size apertures for them, even one that is threaded to install a small peep disk for target work. Next week I will post a pic of one of these rifles with this sight installed.

This is not a very close pic, but this is an X/S Ruger Back-up sight installed on my M77/22. I have removed the aperture and I can mount a scope in low Ruger rings and the tube will still clear the sight base using the forward of the two rear scope mount locations for the rear scope ring.

just some follow up pics

This week, I am going to start working on another detachable receiver sight for my #1's. Since I don't have to worry about bolt lift on the #1, I can make this one about .100 lower.

OK, here's another rear sight peep option.

I am actually ashamed that I did not think of it sooner

You can just use the rear sight from a Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle - grind off the ears if you find them objectionable!

Is that part availabe apart from the rifle ?

That's fine if you don't mind drilling and tapping your receiver. Those sights mount by a screw into the scope rib. Also it looks taller than my sight!