Seller took this video (I guess he found it easier than photos). I'm not a 70 expert. I know just enough to be dangerous. Do you guys see anything in the video that causes you angst? I'm seeking an all original gun in nice shooter/hunter condition. I appreciate any and all comments. Thanks!

Model 70 youtube video

You're not getting any cherry.

Standard rifle, 270 Win, manufactured in early Feb. 1957. The rear sight (appears to be a 22G) is not original to the gun and has been put on backwards. Metal plate and front sight hood are pluses. Appears to be an all original rifle with honest wear. Not a collector, but it will definetly get the job done.

Poconojack-

Huh, besides the sight being backwards, I thought it was the right sight. What rear sight should it have?

My mistake....looked at the youtube video again and it looks like the correct rear sight (Winchester 22K) for the low comb stock on this rifle. Looks like it was reversed because it interfered with the scope.

Assuming the bore is pristine, that seems a very nice hunter/shooter. My extensive experience with these Std. .270s, is that they SHOOT and with 150NPs really do the business on about any game.

I dunno what $$$$ is involved, but, I would seriously consider buying/using it at any decent price.

Dang...what I've been looking for...my birth year....

That one would clean up really nicely.
That stock has potential to be something very nice if you had a professional re-finish it.
It kind of reminds me of my own .270 Std. rifle.

As the experts have opined, assuming the bore is good and there is nothing wrong they cannot see, that is what you are looking for, "all original in nice shooter/hunter condition."

It seems the owner was a little careless, as there is no reason to use a sling that continually scratches the stock. But, it isn't beat to hell either. The trick now is not to pay too much. But if it is what you want, paying a little extra will be lost in the noise, especially if it will shoot itty bitty groups.

Not only that, but Godogs57 is always your "safety valve" : )

I passed on the standard grades in standard chamberings. Of course the magnums are heavier.

The vid. was not easy to watch being so much close up.

The gun is all scratched up and it's always going to be a heavy 270.

Unless the price is very low I would keep looking.

Savage 99 is correct that the gun is scratched up and it is always going to be a heavy .270. As to the desirability, Savage 99 would not desire it, nor would most collectors. Even in great shape, it wouldn't interest many of the hard core collectors.

Are there lighter accurate rifles available? Absolutely, the Featherweights being only one example from back in the day, and now we have all manner of light rifles. But, if you want a piece of history, I would argue that the standard rifles in the common chamberings are the rifles that made the reputation of the Model 70. It certainly wasn't made with the expensive and relatively rare Super Grades, nice as they are. I don't think it was made with even the Featherweights. The thinner barrels are nice, but I cannot warm up to the aluminum components. (Admittedly, that's just me.) My point is that I believe the reputation of the Model 70 was made by standard grade .30-06's and .270's. These were the rifles Joe Lunchbucket owned, assuming he loved rifles and could scratch up enough dough to go with the Winchester. They were the ones that were more accurate than any other rifle in camp, and that fed and ejected like they should.

It makes sense the collectors want the rare configurations and chamberings. But I contend that if you want to own your own little piece of the legend, and one of the rifles that did the real work creating the legend, don't be ashamed to own a heavy (Savage 99 is right about that) standard rifle in a common chambering.

Having said all that, Winchester offering an affordable .375 did some of the heavy lifting too!

If that .270 were mine, I would clean up the stock a little bit. It might take some of the collector value off. But a little TLC, even with most of the character marks left, would improve the looks a good bit.

Gun looks original and not shot nor carried much..buttstock has taken a beating lately..no need to refinish stock, IMO...

You don't state the price but if $900 or less you didn't go wrong...

Yep.....if you don't want it, lemme know what he'll take for it...

Someone ought to teach that guy how to operate a video camera. Man...

OP, what is he asking for it?

This is definitely a shooter rifle (not a "collector") but it's in better condition than the other '57 that was posted recently and probably shoots! You could refinish the stock like some suggest, or just hunt it. $700-750 sounds right to me.

Eric

I need to start shopping where EricM shops! : ) If I walked into my LGS and that rifle was $700-750, it would likely leave with me. I don't need it, but . . .

Back on topic, does it come with the scope and what is it?

Thanks for all the help. I think I'm going to go ahead with the purchase. The rifle comes with the Leupold M8 scope and sling and I'll be into it for about $1000, after shipping.

Excellent decision...

I agree with balltownbob. $1000 in the door is plenty good. If it shoots like many of them do, you will feel like you stole it.

But lose that damn sling!

Backtobethel: I am happy for you on your decision to purchase this nifty older Rifle!
It sounds like you are more of a Hunter than a collector and this Rifle WILL be a fine Hunting rig for you.
I have a very similar Rifle that I used to Hunt with and it has been a success on many a Mule Deer, Antelope, Blacktailed Deer, Elk, Black Bear, Mt. Goat and Whitetailed Deer Hunt!
I retired this Rifle from all Hunting about 20 years ago.
I prefer a heavier Rifle when shooting afield, myself.
It tends to enhance my field accuracy!
Don't let ANYONE try to talk you out of a full sized Rifle for Hunting Big Game!
I have been using full size sporting Rifles for Hunting Big Game for 55+ years now and like I previously stated I actually prefer them.
I did go through a "ultra-light phase" about 25 years ago but those Rifles are seldom used anymore by me!
By the way I am impressed by the apparent excellent condition of your Rifles metal.
Good for you.
A tip for removing and then re-inserting your Rifles rear sight if you choose to do so.
Get a piece of leather (buckskin works well!) and pry that sights rear leaf up by hand and carefully remove the sight elevator!
THEN insert the leather under the sight at its bearing point with the barrel - then tap the sight out with a heavy hammer and a soft brass punch.
This is best done with the action out of the stock and the barrel supported at the sight boss against a vice or heavy object - again with the barrel being protected by buckskin under the sight and at the point of contact with the vice.
This may take "four" hands to do but I have done it MANY times without harming the Rifles finish.
Then reverse the sight and replace the leather so it won't marr the barrel when the sight is re-punched back to the correct position.
Enjoy your new Rifle!
And again, good for you.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

It is unquestionably worth a grand and with a 4x Leupy, more so.

Get a Micky EDGE stock, use Talley SL-QDs, two sets of rings with two identical scopes and load 150 NPs to about 2950 and it will be lighter, finely balanced and kill game deader than Hell!

Ignore the moron, S-99, his posts reveal a truly monumental level of f**king pig ignorance.

backtobethel,

We probably neglected to tell you this, but all the good advice (from the true experts, not from me) is not free. It is now time to pay up. In order to do so, you are required to:
- Take and post some good pictures of the rifle when it arrives.
- Keep us apprised of how it shoots.
- Continue to take and post pictures if you decide to restore or refinish.
Not truly required, of course, but we do like to participate vicariously.

Gun Doc

You did fine at that price and if the time comes you want to sell you may even make a couple hundred. Especially so if it shoots well. If it does and you clean up the stock it is almost guaranteed.

Congrats on the rifle!! Let us know how it shoots for you!

Eric

Yeah, $1,000, including a Leupold--good price. Bottom metal looks clean.

Varmintguy gave excellent advice on correcting the rear sight mis-position. I might add if you don't have a vice, try this (takes another pair of hands):

After removing the elevator as VG instructed. lay the gun on carpet with your helper firmly holding it against the floor so the rifle cannot move, using a flattened piece of deer antler for the pusher, tap the rear sight out of the dovetail, remembering to go left to right to remove it.

You will not mar the metal with the antler and it is amazingly tough. You should have no issues with the sight being difficult to remove. Sights that have sat in the dovetail since new can be a bugger to remove sometimes. That is not the case with yours.

Enjoy that new rifle!

Thanks guys. I'll post some pics when I get it.

+1!

backtobethel, never said what the scope was beyond Leupold. With the med high rings and length I'm thinking it is a M8 6x36? The rear sight was put on backwards simply to keep it with the rifle, helluva lot better than an empty dovetail in my opinion. It looked like it might have cleared the scope but certainly not with the scope caps used. Looks like an honest gun to me, back then a lot of guys, ex military put military style slings on their rifles because they were taught to shoot with them. They also had the mindset that a gun was a tool and used as such, not going to any great pains to spare the stupid marks on them. With a 24" barrel that 270 should produce the kinda ballistics that built the 270's rep. $1000? looks to me like it will be well spent. That's an example of value in excess of the norm for greenbacks today. Goodluck. Magnum Man

FWIW, the military style sling on that particular rifle was put on backwards. The end that comprises the shooting loop, which can be adjusted to the individual to use as a shooting aid, should be on the front swivel. The tail piece, which adjusts the length of the sling for carrying, goes on the rear swivel. A properly installed military style sling will not mar the stock finish. A classic shooting sling for a '57 M70 might be a Whelan sling,or possibly a Brownell's Qwik-Set Latigo. Both have front loops that can be adjusted for size for use as a shooting sling. A nylon version of the Brownell's is the Outdoor Connections "Super Sling", or at least it used to be.

backtobethel, looking forward to nice pics of your rifle!

You done good! If you decide you are not happy with this gun I will take it off your hands! very best winpoor

Mr. backtobethel: Just wanted to congratulate you on your purchase. I believe that you will fall in love with this rifle. For about 30 plus years now, I've hunted almost exclusively with various pre-64 model 70s. Most have been either re-barreled or re-stocked or both. However about 10 years ago I acquired a standard grade .270. It is definitely not a collector with shortened stock with pad, missing rear sight and front sight hood. However, the action is all original. I gave the stock a re-finish job. The old Leupold 2-7 sets in a Redfield jr. mount. I think total weight is just under 8 3/4 lbs. I did re-bed it. It has become my most used rifle and has accounted for almost all my coyotes as well as occasional whitetail. It shoots very well. All I use is 130 Nosler BTs. Personally, I think many folks make way too big of a deal over weight. There is no doubt in my mind that a heavier rifle "holds" better, both on the bench and in the field, at least for me. I've contemplated putting a set of Talley aluminum one piece mount and rings on it to lessen the weight just a tad. If I were to use it for mountain hunts I'd probably do that. So again, congrats. I would go slow to make major changes like another stock. Put a good quality small power variable or fixed power 4 or 6x, shoot it, and go from there. H4831 has become somewhat a standard for the .270 for good reason. I know that's pretty old school thinking, but it has worked very well for me.

Well, finally picked up the rifle. I'm a sucker for period optics, so I scoped it up with a Hensoldt Dialytan in Buehler mounts that I've been holding for a Model 70. Not really happy with the sight blank, but it's all I had. I like the way the scope looks and, needless to say, I'm very happy with the rifle. I would say the metal is about 95% condition and the wood is about 85-90% (accounting for the scratches) with nice sharp checkering. Thanks again for everyone's input.







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Very nice and well bought....

My friend , you may not have knocked it out of ball park BUT you hit a triple on that one! My offer stands!! very best WinPoor

That's sweet and a .270 to boot.

Nice gun!

backtobethel,

In your original post, you stated:
"I'm seeking an all original gun in nice shooter/hunter condition."
IMO, you could hardly have ordered up a better one.

I remember the original scope was an M8 Leupold. What power? I might have stayed with that, but I'm not into period optics. Having said that, your choice certainly makes the combination look nice.

Glad you lost the sling, or if you keep it, at least put it on correctly. Don't loose track of that correct rear sight!

Keep us posted as to how it shoots.

Great looking rifle and IMO a very fair price. Shoot it an enjoy!

PS _ put he M8 back on!!!

backtobethel,
I don't think you done bad at all. The bluing looks good and I'll bet that stock would clean up nicely. Checkering looks good, too!