Don't believe that the rear bridge was factory d&t on that gun....
Looks like a beautiful sob. Am I missing anything?
Not sure about the rear bridge myself, but I am not a collector, just a fan!
Nice looking rifle overall, I can understand the attraction!
Nice Model 70. I am not sure exactly, when the transitions was on the drilled and tapped, it does have the type 2 transition safety, 46 not sure but I do know that 47 were drilled and tapped from the factory. Beautiful gun, price they aren't making any more 46 Super Grades. To much or to soon is what I have always heard.
To Bad on the Pre War 375 H&H Super Grade with side mount,extra drilled holes in the receiver for $5000. That is a nice looking 75+ year old rifle.
If I had access to the shop I would look at this.
http://gobles.ca/gobles_media/2016/09/WINCHESTER-94-G0035316-2.JPG
[quote=Poconojack]Don't believe that the rear bridge was factory d&t on that gun.... [/quote
Transition rifles made after WWII were drilled & tapped in the rear ...
Looks like a beautiful sob. Am I missing anything?
Amen to that! Never owned a SG but darned if that isn't a perfect hunting rifle.
I never warmed up to the Super Grades in years past. A lot more money for not much more rifle. I recently came into two, a 300 H&H and a 220 Swift. Both very nice rifles and the 300 is wickedly accurate.
[quote=Poconojack]Don't believe that the rear bridge was factory d&t on that gun.... [/quote
Transition rifles made after WWII were drilled & tapped in the rear ...
It's good to know that possibly my super grade 300 H&H with serial number 57XXX was indeed factory drilled and tapped.
Now all I have to whine about is the recoil pad.
I love this place!
The grooved prewar style rear bridges were not factory drilled unless special ordered and you would need proof of that.
That being said yours looks like the smooth later style rear bridge and most were factory drilled. There are a very few smooth rear bridges with no holes or only one hole, but they are extremely rare and more likely to occur on H&H length actions.
From what I can see it is a beautiful example, original, unaltered,that has been used. I would be proud of that one myself!
Gunner my SG 300 H&H has a pad as well but it is what it is and the deer and the elk won't care:). It's a heavy sob and cumbersome in a box blind but I'm learning to live with it.
Rembo: That is a neat old gun - its not up to my "collector" standards so I am not interested.
The rear sight is questionable and it may or may not be missing the issued Super-Grade sling swivels?
Do you plan on "investing" in it or are you going to shoot it and Hunt with it?
I like that old Leupold scope and have several of that vintage.
Good luck if you decide to bid on it.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
I don't think a purchase of this one could be considered an investment.
Too much wear to be collectable.
It is an interesting piece for one who wants a shooter with a bit of rarity, there can't be many transition SG's out there.
Can anyone ID the mount? I'm thinking it might be a Tilden...?
For the price of a new Sako I'd rather have this.
I just came across it while surfing around. I see they have another SG in a Swift but no pics. A call to the shop may get you some pics.
The mount is an early Redfield.
I have a similar transition 300 h&h SG. It's a great hunting gun
Gunner my SG 300 H&H has a pad as well but it is what it is and the deer and the elk won't care:). It's a heavy sob and cumbersome in a box blind but I'm learning to live with it.
LOL, the 20 odd deer I've smacked with my old padded S.G. didn't register any complaints either, after carrying 36" barreled muzzle loaders and 30/34" barreled Sharps rifles my old H&H seems quite nimble in the woods or on stand.
Gunner, that is the way I look at my padded and scoped Pre war ..270 with some family history. Cousin bought an old family friend's guns when he hung them up about 1960. When Cousin died in an accident a dozen years ago, the family passed it on to me.
I once owned a nice all original 300H&H for about thirty minutes. Bought it for $500 sold it minutes later for $1150 in the mid 90s. Wish I could have kept it, but I was flipping guns to educate my daughters debt free. I thought there would always be another, as I had flipped numerous .375s, but never had a chance at another at a good price.
Enjoy,
Jack
I disagree with the notion that the gun isn't collectible. The gun is 71 years old. There are many of these pre 64 rifles that have been cut for pads, refinished, and reblued. IMHO, a model 70 which has had a pad added is absolute garbage. I have a 1949 30-06 that has significant finish loss and hunting marks, but ya know what? It's original- there's something to be said for that. Whenever I browse these rifles online the very instant I see a non-authentic pad I exit. A cut stock is garbage and totally undesirable. I dunno why so many people took it upon themselves to ruin these guns. The bigger magnum calibres came with them, no need to put one on a 30-06, 308 or 270...as if you would notice the recoil shooting at game. I've even seen otherwise perfect 243s outfitted with pads.
I couldn't find the listing on that site so it must have sold, but I view it sort of like collecting coins, a vintage super grade is a "key date" of sorts, and this is far from a "slick", this one will do until you can find one that is closer to Gem Brilliant Uncirculated (MS63-MS65).
Also, if you've looked at Shuman's gun list or any other seller, super grades in the high 90% are exhorbitantly expensive... most people aren't wired to spend 3-5 grand on a rifle.
btw, I didn't see what the asking price on the gun was? 3 grand?
I don't think a purchase of this one could be considered an investment.
Too much wear to be collectable.
It is an interesting piece for one who wants a shooter with a bit of rarity, there can't be many transition SG's out there.
Can anyone ID the mount? I'm thinking it might be a Tilden...?
For the price of a new Sako I'd rather have this.
I just came across it while surfing around. I see they have another SG in a Swift but no pics. A call to the shop may get you some pics.
Rembo, you never did tell us the price....... It all depends on the bottom dollar, when considering whether it is an investment or not: I believe that rifle would be one if it is bought right. Like all pre 64's, it's going to go up in value. That rifle is pretty clean and looks to be all original. Not too sure about the rear sight though. There's always a market for a rifle in that condition (sub par collectors territory), if it's priced right.
Per the yellow tag in pic#1, the asking price is/was $2195.00....
Per the yellow tag in pic#1, the asking price is/was $2195.00....
If it's all original, that's not a bad retail listing. Especially, if the seller will wiggle 10% or so on the price. The rifle looks to be all original finishes, which preserves a lot of its value.
The only issue I see is that rear sight is a Lyman 6W, which is not original to the gun. That sight is period correct for the year of the gun, was only available on rifles chambered in .375 H&H. Easy enough to deal with, though.
Cheers
Justin
Per the yellow tag in pic#1, the asking price is/was $2195.00....
Thanks Pocono. I had to zoom in on it and I also see it's on consignment. Usually the seller adds wiggle room on consignment deals. I've asked gunshop owners to call the seller and submit an offer and usually they bite. I'd offer $2,000.00 and know I was getting a hell of a good deal on that rifle.....
Also regarding the rear sight, that's an easy fix....
The rear sight is superior to what the gun originally came with. That gun has fair amount of field use wear. I would look for non-salt wood FN Browning Safari Grade Mauser long extractor. It will cost you less and the firearm is equal if not better what you see there.
In general used American firearms are less expensive to buy once US border is crossed. I remember when guy from New Brunswick Ca bought Czechoslovak ZG-47 in very good condition for around $700CDN. The same gun in USA would cost 2000USD or more. Guns are very, very expensive in USA.
The rear sight is superior to what the gun originally came with. That gun has fair amount of field use wear. I would look for non-salt wood FN Browning Safari Grade Mauser long extractor. It will cost you less and the firearm is equal if not better what you see there.
LOL. I'm not sure you quite get it, Slavek; this is a Winchester collector forum. There's nothing untrue about what you have written, but it is heresy to someone who looks at a Winchester rifle from the perspective of a collector. They are not interested in superior, but incorrect sights. And they certainly aren't shopping for the best performing rifle... unless it's another vintage Winchester. I'm afraid your thoughts will fall on deaf ears here.