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So, It seems that many here have built up lefty rifles with fabulous results. The idea seems like a fun long term project. I have built AR's before, but imagine that smith-work is required for large caliber builds?? What type of work do you guys do on your own and what do you send off to the smith? Also, I have never shot a Remington lefty, but have shot Tikka and liked it quite a bit and do have a Winchester Mod 70 pre64 7mm that has seen a lot of action. Is the Winchester action considered a good place to start on a build? I have heard there may be other better options. Any info much appreciated!
I am currently toying with a LH build idea now myself.

You can do a build out of any action. That being said if the build is a push feed action over the years I've seen more done on the Remington 700 action that any other. Supposedly it has more off the shelf parts and accessories available than any other action. I do not know this based on my own experience but have read it so many times from so many different sources I believe the statement to have merit. The Winchester Model 70 action is probably the most used controlled round feed action that I have seen builds done with. A pre-64 action is pretty valuable so I would think long and hard about doing the build with it. I don't ever recall reading about a build done on a Tika action. Call around to several gunsmiths and just throw out what you are thinking. Their insight is valuable. Good luck with your build and let us know what you decide.
I think part of that is born of necessity due to the Remington being in need of more work/refinement than say a Tika, Sako, Blaser, Sauer. I've been told that the metal of a Remington isn't as hard as some other makes, making it easier to work with.
My biggest concerns are flawless feeding and sure ejections. After that for smith work I'm only looking for accuracy and function, I have all the pretty guns I need. Squaring the face, re barreling, bedding the action, double recoil lugs, and I like a set trigger, preferably one that will not freeze up from dust or weather. That will usually bring a hunting rifle up to par.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
I think part of that is born of necessity due to the Remington being in need of more work/refinement than say a Tika, Sako, Blaser, Sauer. I've been told that the metal of a Remington isn't as hard as some other makes, making it easier to work with.
Oh Jesus H. Christ, Dick. If you don't know, just state you don't know, Dick. Don't feel compelled to just post some kind of ignorant bullshit because you think you need to "participate." It's the kind of moronic answers like yours that the internet acquires a reputation for dumbass information, a la Wikipedia.
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
I think part of that is born of necessity due to the Remington being in need of more work/refinement than say a Tika, Sako, Blaser, Sauer. I've been told that the metal of a Remington isn't as hard as some other makes, making it easier to work with.
Oh Jesus H. Christ, Dick. If you don't know, just state you don't know, Dick. Don't feel compelled to just post some kind of ignorant bullshit because you think you need to "participate." It's the kind of moronic answers like yours that the internet acquires a reputation for dumbass information, a la Wikipedia.


WTS: Triggers
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Am selling two triggers.

New takeoff Remington X-Mark Pro for a left-handed Model 700. -$36 shipped.
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From the Remington site:

SAFETY WARNING AND RECALL NOTICE
PRODUCT SAFETY WARNING AND RECALL NOTICE

REMINGTON MODEL 700� AND MODEL SEVEN� RIFLES

PRODUCTS: Remington Arms Company, LLC (�Remington�) is voluntarily recalling Remington Model 700� and Model Seven� rifles with X-Mark Pro� (�XMP��) triggers, manufactured from May 1, 2006 to April 9, 2014.
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From the guy trying to sell recalled trigger, and it's been pointed out to you, but you don't have the integrity to pull your desperate ad; for what, $30.? So we know your word isn't worth $30.00, just how cheap is your integrity? Twenty bucks? Ten?
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
I think part of that is born of necessity due to the Remington being in need of more work/refinement than say a Tika, Sako, Blaser, Sauer. I've been told that the metal of a Remington isn't as hard as some other makes, making it easier to work with.
Oh Jesus H. Christ, Dick. If you don't know, just state you don't know, Dick. Don't feel compelled to just post some kind of ignorant bullshit because you think you need to "participate." It's the kind of moronic answers like yours that the internet acquires a reputation for dumbass information, a la Wikipedia.


WTS: Triggers
Bricktop Offline
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Registered: 11/14/05
Posts: 7233
Loc: Pushing a broom at OU....
Am selling two triggers.

New takeoff Remington X-Mark Pro for a left-handed Model 700. -$36 shipped.
______________________________________________________________
From the Remington site:

SAFETY WARNING AND RECALL NOTICE
PRODUCT SAFETY WARNING AND RECALL NOTICE

REMINGTON MODEL 700� AND MODEL SEVEN� RIFLES

PRODUCTS: Remington Arms Company, LLC (�Remington�) is voluntarily recalling Remington Model 700� and Model Seven� rifles with X-Mark Pro� (�XMP��) triggers, manufactured from May 1, 2006 to April 9, 2014.
_______________________________________________________________


From the guy trying to sell recalled trigger, and it's been pointed out to you, but you don't have the integrity to pull your desperate ad; for what, $30.? So we know your word isn't worth $30.00, just how cheap is your integrity? Twenty bucks? Ten?
How damned hard is it to research the Rc value of a Remington 700 action, Dick? As opposed to just posting some ignorant-ass bullshit? Your ass just got handed to you and you can't handle it.
You get confused easily don't you. We're talking about you peddling recalled triggers, not that that sort of thing doesn't suit you. Most gunsmiths want to replace the Remington triggers and firing pin on the models that aren't being recalled, but theres bricktop, pushing recall junk.

The good news is by your always attempting to change the focus of the conversation it at least indicates you know you're not too bright. Hey thats a step.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
You get confused easily don't you. We're talking about you peddling recalled triggers, not that that sort of thing doesn't suit you. Most gunsmiths want to replace the Remington triggers and firing pin on the models that aren't being recalled, but theres bricktop, pushing recall junk.

The good news is by your always attempting to change the focus of the conversation it at least indicates you know you're not too bright. Hey thats a step.
Jesus Christ, Dick. Is that the BEST you've got? No wonder Rancho Loco and kamo_gari get in your ass on the surfing threads. You're nothing more than a patently moronic imbecile. You post blatantly wrong and mostly stupid data and take offense when your ass is called out and handed to you.

Let's recap what is being discussed here:
  • bigpapacow inquired about a left-handed rifle build.
  • You posted "I've been told that the metal of a Remington isn't as hard as some other makes, making it easier to work with" without any corrobrating data whatsoever and your ass was handed to you over that.
  • You're mad about that, so you're referencing an item that has no bearing on this discussion.
Take your Ritalin or whatever you "special" people take and focus on THIS discussion. Things will not go well for you on your present course, Dicky.
We all know about the recall.
The triggers are decent, buy them, send them back, and use them, at a cheaper price than pre recall triggers.

Your a knob.
"Heard" the metal is soft.
To the OP---

If you want to get into LH bolt rifles, and doing some of the work yourself, you might consider Savage as the place to start. Their barrel nut system allows you to set the headspace yourself with a headspace guage and basic tools, which you cannot do on a Remington or Winchester. Their triggers are better than they used to be and there are a number of specialty parts suppliers.

The Rem 700 is like the Chevy 350cu inch engine-an endless supply of aftermarket parts are available for itand a zillion "hotrods" have been built off it. Hard to go wrong with it, although by the time you get one fully tricked out, you are in the same price range as a Remclone custom action.

The Win 70 is not a great choice for a custom build right now because they have become so expensive (a good price for a standard boltface LH 70 is $1000.) If for some reason the price drops, then they might become feasible again. I think they are a great hunting action, but not worth a grand for a donor.

But if they make a Tikka in the cartridge you are interested in, they are hard to beat as a turnkey option. You just won't get to learn much home gunsmithing on them because there is not much to do.
Originally Posted by utah708
The Win 70 is not a great choice for a custom build right now because they have become so expensive (a good price for a standard boltface LH 70 is $1000.) If for some reason the price drops, then they might become feasible again. I think they are a great hunting action, but not worth a grand for a donor.
YAWN. MRC actions cover that "void." MSRP on CM actions is $745 plus shipping and MSRP on SS versions is $809 plus shipping. They are currently one to two weeks out on these and both are available in "short" and long versions. Ruger Model 77 MK IIs and Model 77 Hawkeyes are the next most feasible route into a left-handed CRF action.
Great insights there, couldn't have said it better than Utah did. smile
I'd add, savage rifles/ parts are very reasonable $ for what they lack in "sexy".
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
You get confused easily don't you. We're talking about you peddling recalled triggers, not that that sort of thing doesn't suit you. Most gunsmiths want to replace the Remington triggers and firing pin on the models that aren't being recalled, but theres bricktop, pushing recall junk.

The good news is by your always attempting to change the focus of the conversation it at least indicates you know you're not too bright. Hey thats a step.
Jesus Christ, Dick. Is that the BEST you've got? No wonder Rancho Loco and kamo_gari get in your ass on the surfing threads. You're nothing more than a patently moronic imbecile. You post blatantly wrong and mostly stupid data and take offense when your ass is called out and handed to you.

Let's recap what is being discussed here:
  • bigpapacow inquired about a left-handed rifle build.
  • You posted "I've been told that the metal of a Remington isn't as hard as some other makes, making it easier to work with" without any corrobrating data whatsoever and your ass was handed to you over that.
  • You're mad about that, so you're referencing an item that has no bearing on this discussion.
Take your Ritalin or whatever you "special" people take and focus on THIS discussion. Things will not go well for you on your present course, Dicky.


Mad? I'm not mad dumbass, just Momma taught me not to pick on the helpless kids, so a little guilt I guess. Soft metal, that according to Kenny Jarrett; but with you handling asses an all, guess Jarrett couldn�t possibly know what he was talking about, huh genius. Better stock up on bubble gum, your ass kickin skills aren't too good.
Maybe in your ad you ought to mention you�re selling recalled merchandise. Better yet, why don�t you send it back so you can sell an honest one. You know, that Remington stuff that's so good. What a wank.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
You get confused easily don't you. We're talking about you peddling recalled triggers, not that that sort of thing doesn't suit you. Most gunsmiths want to replace the Remington triggers and firing pin on the models that aren't being recalled, but theres bricktop, pushing recall junk.

The good news is by your always attempting to change the focus of the conversation it at least indicates you know you're not too bright. Hey thats a step.
Jesus Christ, Dick. Is that the BEST you've got? No wonder Rancho Loco and kamo_gari get in your ass on the surfing threads. You're nothing more than a patently moronic imbecile. You post blatantly wrong and mostly stupid data and take offense when your ass is called out and handed to you.

Let's recap what is being discussed here:
  • bigpapacow inquired about a left-handed rifle build.
  • You posted "I've been told that the metal of a Remington isn't as hard as some other makes, making it easier to work with" without any corrobrating data whatsoever and your ass was handed to you over that.
  • You're mad about that, so you're referencing an item that has no bearing on this discussion.
Take your Ritalin or whatever you "special" people take and focus on THIS discussion. Things will not go well for you on your present course, Dicky.
Mad? I'm not mad dumbass, just Momma taught me not to pick on the helpless kids, so a little guilt I guess. Soft metal, that according to Kenny Jarrett; but with you handling asses an all, guess Jarrett couldn�t possibly know what he was talking about, huh genius. Better stock up on bubble gum, your ass kickin skills aren't too good.
Maybe in your ad you ought to mention you�re selling recalled merchandise. Better yet, why don�t you send it back so you can sell an honest one. You know, that Remington stuff that's so good. What a wank.
Don't get mad because your ass got spanked this morning, Dick. You were just wrong. Just like all the other times you choose to post. Which is why so many other people stomp your ass in these discussions. The Rc value of Remington 700 actions are fairly easy to find, but why bother with facts, huh, Dick?

And why is it you don't post pictures of anything you've done? As near as I can tell, you're the Larry Root of surfing. You're just over-matched by everyone, Dick. And you're grabbing at nothing right now trying like hell to come out ahead. Just face it, Dick, you're always going to come across as half-assed, because you are half-assed. But I'm pretty sure you're putting your whole ass into it.
Originally Posted by splattermatic
We all know about the recall.
The triggers are decent, buy them, send them back, and use them, at a cheaper price than pre recall triggers.

Your a knob.
"Heard" the metal is soft.


So you think all metal is the same, and I'm a "knob"? Maybe you could explain to all of us how all metal is the same, enlighten us.
Not at all bricktop, you're the one that feels the need to make every thread about you. Why the backup, can't handle things by yourself?
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by splattermatic
We all know about the recall.
The triggers are decent, buy them, send them back, and use them, at a cheaper price than pre recall triggers.

Your a knob.
"Heard" the metal is soft.
So you think all metal is the same, and I'm a "knob"? Maybe you could explain to all of us how all metal is the same, enlighten us.
Maybe you could explain the "soft" metal in some sort of verifiable quantity, Dick.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Not at all bricktop, you're the one that feels the need to make every thread about you. Why the backup, can't handle things by yourself?
Don't get mad, Dicky. You got your ass spanked. Now go ride your little horse and play with your Nerf board.

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Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Not at all bricktop, you're the one that feels the need to make every thread about you. Why the backup, can't handle things by yourself?
Don't get mad, Dicky. You got your ass spanked. Now go ride your little horse and play with your Nerf board.

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Uncanny resemblance:

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No need to share your photo album, pretty obvious where your interest are.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Not at all bricktop, you're the one that feels the need to make every thread about you. Why the backup, can't handle things by yourself?
Don't get mad, Dicky. You got your ass spanked. Now go ride your little horse and play with your Nerf board.

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Uncanny resemblance:

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No need to share your photo album, pretty obvious where your interest are.
Come on, Dicky, is that the best you've got?

So why don't you post any pictures of anything you've done, Dicky? Too busy riding that horse in the other photo? Or were you floating on your Nerf "surf" board in the kiddie pool?
Wow! I didn't know winchester prices had gone that high. Thanks for the thoughts on the different actions to all of you. I do already have the winchester. So, are you saying used rifles in decent shape are bringing in a grand?! That's more than I paid by about double. If that is the case, I may just sell that and go one of the other routes with the seed money
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Not at all bricktop, you're the one that feels the need to make every thread about you. Why the backup, can't handle things by yourself?
Don't get mad, Dicky. You got your ass spanked. Now go ride your little horse and play with your Nerf board.

[Linked Image]
Uncanny resemblance:

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No need to share your photo album, pretty obvious where your interest are.
Come on, Dicky, is that the best you've got?

So why don't you post any pictures of anything you've done, Dicky? Too busy riding that horse in the other photo? Or were you floating on your Nerf "surf" board in the kiddie pool?



The obvious question is why you would have pictures like that; the answer is just as obvious.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Don't get mad, Dicky. You got your ass spanked. Now go ride your little horse and play with your Nerf board.

[Linked Image]
Uncanny resemblance:

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No need to share your photo album, pretty obvious where your interest are.
Come on, Dicky, is that the best you've got?

So why don't you post any pictures of anything you've done, Dicky? Too busy riding that horse in the other photo? Or were you floating on your Nerf "surf" board in the kiddie pool?
The obvious question is why you would have pictures like that; the answer is just as obvious.
Don't play coy, Dicky, I got that from you.
very reveling, looks like it came from your kiddie porn collection. You been in trouble for that kind of thing before have you?
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
very reveling, looks like it came from your kiddie porn collection. You been in trouble for that kind of thing before have you?
Yes, Dicky, I'm sure you are "reveling" in that photograph.
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
very reveling, looks like it came from your kiddie porn collection. You been in trouble for that kind of thing before have you?
Yes, Dicky, I'm sure you are "reveling" in that photograph.


So you have been in trouble for kiddie porn. I'm not surprised at all.
Posted By: Bricktop Let's identify your rifle... - 07/31/14
Originally Posted by bigpapacow
Wow! I didn't know winchester prices had gone that high. Thanks for the thoughts on the different actions to all of you. I do already have the winchester. So, are you saying used rifles in decent shape are bringing in a grand?! That's more than I paid by about double. If that is the case, I may just sell that and go one of the other routes with the seed money
You referred to your Model 70 as a "pre-'64" in your original post. Is it a pre-'64? Or is it a left-handed Model 70? They're too vastly different rifles. If it's a left-handed Model 70 in 7mm Remington Magnum, it's worth around $1K; 0.473" bolt face chamberings are bringing slightly more.

If it's a pre-64 Model 70, then that's another matter entirely.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
very reveling, looks like it came from your kiddie porn collection. You been in trouble for that kind of thing before have you?
Yes, Dicky, I'm sure you are "reveling" in that photograph.
So you have been in trouble for kiddie porn. I'm not surprised at all.
Your vocabulary is nearly as strong as your grasp on Rockwell hardnesses, Dicky.

CLICK D LINK, DICKY

So why don't you post any pictures of anything you've done? Aside from that disturbing photo of you on that horse.
To the OP: The first question is do you want a left or right hand build ? IF you are O.K. with a RH build, the Winchester is an O.K. place to start. You already have it. And the one Pre64 M70 I have owned (purchased used on GB) was one of the smoothest actions I have owned.

If you want a Left Hand build, the Pre-64 M70 is a good piece to sell to generate cash. If it is in reasonable condition, you should be able to land within $100 +/- of a decent LH custom action (MRC or Stiller). As stated above the Rem 700 wins the after market parts availability hands down for "options". the stiller is a Rem 700 clone. So most 700 parts interchange without issue.

IF you want CRF, MRC actions are Win M70 clones (+/-) and depending on the phase of the moon, anywhere from a little less expensive to a LOT less expensive than a true LH Win M70. But, if you luck into a true LH Win M70 for a reasonable price, it's workable for a build.

Personally I act as a "general contractor". I do simple work like swapping stocks, scopes, mounts, bottom metal, and Rem 700 triggers myself. However, I have had a professional gunsmith re-barrel every rifle I have changed the tube on. Remington and Winchester generally require some amount of lathe work to properly fit and chamber. I am not going to change enough barrels to justify the cost of lathe and then learning to use it. Easier for me to job it out. Cerakoting and hydrodipping I job out also.

The only caution is ... beware ... it is addicting ...
Somehow I don't think you'll be around when Rick sees the kiddy porn you're posting on his site.
Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Somehow I don't think you'll be around when Rick sees the kiddy porn you're posting on his site.
Oh Dicky, you do so amuse me with your stupidity, limited vocabulary, and juvenile tattle tale antics.
I doubt too many amused with your taste in porn. 99% of us wouldn't even know where to find crap like that; but you do. sick bastard.
I must have been confused on the pre '64 action then. I thought it was on the hangtag when I bought it about 10-15 years back. It is a lefty mod 70 in 7 mm rem mag.
Originally Posted by bigpapacow
I must have been confused on the pre '64 action then. I thought it was on the hangtag when I bought it about 10-15 years back. It is a lefty mod 70 in 7 mm rem mag.
It was CRF, which is similar to the pre-'64 Model 70s, and Winchester/USRAC capitalized on this in their ads. But it's not a pre-'64 by any stretch of the imagination.
That makes sense then. Thanks for the clarification on it.
Posted By: MOG Questions on project rifle build - 07/31/14
Hey mate,

Maybe just start with a restock and see how you want to go from there?
There will be guys no doubt queuing to buy it if you do sell it though.

I like the win 70 action and reckon its a great place to start. If you are only going to do it once do it right first time. Spend heaps of time looking at what you want and the features that are important to you.

Good luck and don't rush! If you do want to sell I will take it haha!

Regards,

Mog
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