I wonder the percentage of the Australian population that:

1) Carries a handgun every day?
2) Has a gun (of whatever type) in their car while driving around every day, even if not on their person?

Please note I am not asking about people who have gun(s) at home, and just take them out to go hunting or to the range for a little target practice.

Do any of our Aussie friends know? Even roughly?

Thanks

Jstuart once told me the hoops one need jump through to obtain semi autos or handguns wasn't worth the trouble to him.

I met an Australian guy a couple of years ago in Europe, and he invited me out varmint hunting on his property any time. Varmints there are kangaroos, dingos, rabbits, etc. I asked him about firearms and he didn't think it was as bog a deal as we do. BUT, I didn't get into any details.

Hunting, pest control and target shooting, handguns, rifle, shotgun. Pump, bolt, lever, straight pull, for rifles....semi auto is heavily restricted, farmers or feral control where firepower is needed.

I don't know about daily carry or in car but about 28% of the population live in rural areas. Not sure what percentage of these would carry, and rural areas may not necessarily mean that firearms would be present.

I used to hunt deer on a property a fews hours drive out of Brisbane. The neighbouring property was owned by a group of greenies from the southern states who had it as a retreat and santuary or sorts. I think the deer used to feed on their property and then get shot once they jumped the fence.

1. Private carry, none
2. The only people that would bother to do so are those using them at work or for hunting...not much point otherwise.

The thing you fellows don't seem to grasp is that there isn't much point in walking about with a firearm on your person in Australia, as it is simply not needed.


Yes I am aware that some clown is going to huff and puff about "freedom" or some such...but the only pricks that want to carry here are want-to-be bad-arses...generally referred to as wankers.

Not quite, a pistol licence is easy enough for club use...just paperwork. Semi auto is more convoluted...I can get such put on my licence but have absolutely no interest in doing so.
Those who have a disability can, and to be frank that is the only reason I would consider one for myself.

Unfortunately here in the US there is good reason to carry a weapon in many places. we do not live in the ShangriLa Of Australia. Funny how freedom is not high on your list. Seems that the government you have is plenty of reason to be armed. I guess freedom doesn't mean much if you don't have it. https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/aus...-lockdown-in-sydney-covid-19-cases-rise/

License, interesting that your require a license. Why?

“Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose”…JJ

rickhead, how are the school shootings going over there? What's the count so far this year? Why don't the armed heros over there come out of the closet and protect the children? Too busy posting about their freedoms on the internet I suppose, or pussys deep down maybe?

Your freedoms keep you guys shit scared full time. The greatest amount of diatribe slandering of other countries is the result of deep seated fear and insecurity ingrained in alot of you guys. Maybe if you guys had a better standard of living, and life satisfaction, you'd understand.

If you believe all the bull Schitt put out by the media from any country you will be convinced the worlds gonna end.
I personally have no use for an AR platform rifle. I do have one though because some cockroaches in Washington D C don’t like it. Fug them we have a Bill of Rights.
As far as Australia goes I would love to go there but I’m not sitting on an airplane again.
Edk

Hi Blu-Cs, in answer to your questions.

1. The only people who carry a handgun all day are those in a profession.. Police, security etc and a very small % of workers in rural areas(some farmers can get a permit, maybe some remote area animal control officers etc). They can only carry whilst on the job. Even police in Australia are not generally approved to carry a handgun outside of work hours- their gun are locked at their stations when off duty, they dont take them home.

2. General carry of a long arm in a vehicle is only allowed if the person has a planned purpose- aka on the way to a hunt, to the rifle range, to a buddies property to shoot cans etc. You cant generally just ""put a gun in your car and leave it there permanently" is what I am saying. At the end of the purpose you have to lock it up in your safe or dwelling until next time.

Farmers or landowners or remote workers have more leeway eg they may have guns in the truck, ATV or boat for r remote work or opportunistic use. Technically all guns need to be locked up in a safe when not in use or at the end of a days use and they have to use all possible means to duplicate it( whether lock it in the cab etc)

So in a nutshell, almost no handgun for general carry.

And no long guns for general vehicle carry.

I dont agree with any of these laws, I see them as completely unecessary. The handgun laws in Australia came in about the same time the US gun control acts in the 30's came in( I think). I cant remember if it was anti-crime push like yours were(after al capone shot up too many fellas with short barrelled machine guns) or it might even have been anti-communist( some bizarre link between the communist party and handguns here)

The long guns in vehicles laws came in with the 1996 gun bans. Prior to that in most states you could leave your long guns pretty much anywhere you wanted.. Most fellas didnt have safes- rifles were left in sheds, barns, vehicles, closets or under your bed. You could drive around with one in a window rack of your ute( pickup) all day every day. Life went on, no one cared.

Much better days.

Oh good...fuck off and don't visit...problem solved.

Thanks for the answers so far!

I get that in Australia you need a "license" to own a gun of any type. And your average civilian (non-leo, etc.) will not have an EDC (odd to us Americans that LEO's have to leave their gun behind at their place of work at the end of their shift as the normal procedure for LEO's in the US is that they are expected to carry on or off duty), nor carry a long gun in a vehicle unless it is for going to and from the range or hunting etc.

Just to take things a bit further, what about ammo, or reloading components? Or reloading tools such as a press or dies? Do you need a special permit to buy any of that kind of thing?

Thanks in advance.

The firearms licence, or weapons licence, will allow you to buy ammunition and powder. Don't need the licence for anything else. They don't check the ammo or powder type against what firearms you actually own, just that you have a licence. The amount of powder you buy is recorded in a register that is meant to be used by the authorities to check that you're not buying an excessive amount, like a bomber might do.

The powder is classed as a type of explosive and there are restrictions on the quantity you can store at home. No limit to how much live ammo you can have. It's more geared around safety in case of a fire. Ammo just cooks off like fire crackers in a fire situation but the powder could do much worse.

There's also security storage requirements for the powder and the ammo - can't have them accessed by unlicenced persons. I think the details of the requirements differ between the states but are otherwise fairly similar.

Do primers require a license?

Ah yes, I forgot the primers. Everything that burns or goes bang.

Projectiles and cases alone are just metal objects.

OK, now that we have the importance of a license in Australia established (pretty important!) I wonder about the license itself.

In the US, at least for CCW permits we have "shall issue" and "can issue". Must you show cause (i.e. a good reason) why you should be issued a gun permit?

And does it make a difference whether it is a handgun or a long gun?

Cultural difference I guess, but JStuart?

Any guys like you ever wander back country for recreation, and find time to save the world from walnuts or hedgeapples using a .22 pistol?

Seems like, from what I've read in your posts, that you make your living in the back country. Do you prefer to find your recreation somewhere else? Or just don't get any recreational thrill from off the job trigger time?

I've had my licenses for 30 years now so I can only provide a short answer for what I have to do for renewals. For long arms it's essentially filling in the forms and paying the fees every 10 years, and maybe getting an updated photo. For handguns, or rather concealable weapons, the renewals are similar but every 5 years, and I have to submit a record of participation every year to our pistol club for when the police may request to check on the activity of members (there are minimum participation requirements to be met). The participation record is a small card that we fill in and get the RO to sign off at each match.

I can use any of my long arms for target shooting or hunting where ever it is legal to do so (rifle ranges, rural private properties with owner's permission, and some NSW state forests with additional permits). I can only use my pistol for target shooting at an approved range.


I'm not able to provide a concise answer for the whole process for new licenses since I don't know the full details myself but can provide some links for the QLD rules:


https://www.police.qld.gov.au/units/weapons-licensing

https://www.police.qld.gov.au/weapon-licensing/applying-new-firearms-licence-queensland

https://www.police.qld.gov.au/weapon-licensing/individual-licence-types


Someone with a better ability to summarise the requirements may be able to provide a better answer.

There used to be additional high power / low power longarm distinctions when I was in Western Australia but I went through the full rigmarole and got to where I wanted to be, and that was a long time ago. When I moved back to Queensland, the recognition and transfer of licenses was relatively easy. Licenses are state controlled.

Oh yeah, I used to have a revolving carbine that was illegal in NSW but okay in QLD.

As mauser9mm said generally the long gun licence application is as follows, and in my opinion quite onorous.

1. Do a govt approved safety course. Get issued a certificate of completion
2. Get a letter of permission from some landowner to shoot on applicable hunting land. Note this is not needed for future shooting or any other place you hunt. its a one off requirement so the cops approving the licence can see you have permission to shoot somewhere at least. Basically its an illogical superfluous requirement just added as a general embiuggerance to people applying and random landowners.
3. Pretty sure you also have to join a local rifle range these days to show proof or have financial membership with SSAA, like a watered down version of the NRA
4. Compile all with a sheaf of paperwork, passport photos and submit to the state police licencing branch
5. Once you have your licence you then have to apply individually for each firearm. This involves an online application, stating a genuine need( another illogical waste of words along the lines of 'target shooting"or "recreational hunting"etc and wait for a permit to be issued. This is then presented to a firearm dealer for processing your sale from them or between you and another gunowner. The permit is sent to state police so they can register the sale to your name.

Handguns
Same as all above except more stringent at No.3, you need to be a member of a handgun club and jump through more hoops. You also have to escalate your ownership from rimfire to centrefire by stages, you cant just buy a 45 colt right off. Also you have to attend several registered shoots per year, for each class of handgun!( rimfire, I think below 9mm and above 9mm). This requirement is another load of crap, basically a deterrant to those who want to own several hanguns as you are having to spend a bunch of weekends at so called "registered range shoots" to maintain the licence. This particular embuggerance was actually cooked up by shooters themselves trying to stay in the good books with the government. One thing our gunlaws taught as is there are no shortages of sheeple on both sides of the debate. A lot of the damage was done by our own side.

As to your earlier comment about suprise LEO's dont carry guns at home here. Possibly as Australia has both 5x less homicide per capita and 5x less incarceration rate than the US. In fact all the 30 x 1st world countries have about 5x less than the US in either statistic. For the record the US was actually tracking the same as the rest of us until 1960's/70's. After that for some reason you guys incarceration rate suddenly jumped 300-400%.

The Canadian licensing system is somewhat similar though a bit less onerous. Once one gets the possession and acquisition License (PAL) it is only necessary to renew every five years. So it's really kind of a tax grab. Handguns are restricted and the Liberals would like to restrict them more. Although it is not really allowed, I know people who often carry in remote areas; without permission. If the area is that remote, they are not likely to see anyone, are they? GD

One thing to add is that the police have a register of firearms that we own. The register is a separate document and they used to issue periodically to the license owner, usually after a purchase was made, or a firearm sold. I think they stopped sending the updated register through - I certainly haven't received a copy for the last few transactions that I've made over the recent years. They do keep a register though. I think it's like an appendix or addendum to the actual license - linked to the license.

We have specific requirements for safe storage of firearms ie safes, and the police will inspect the safe and installation arrangements usually when we've move home. They'll also use the opportunity to check the safe contents against the register - or rather looking for extra or missing items.

Our firearms can be stored at other locations (eg friends house) but they have to be licensed and have a copy of a letter signed by the firearm's owner to say they have permission to be in possession of the firearm. This can happen for example when travelling to other locations for certain events. For example, Big Game Rifle match requires half a dozen rifles each and it's not possible to fit them all into the sedan with 3 or 4 passengers, so the guy with the ute or van or truck may end up carting a couple of dozen rifles or so, and well as storing them at his home leading up to the travel (assuming he also has the appropriate safe storage facilities at his home or point of departure - maybe starting from a club house with the larger storage facilities for example).

Question one...not legally we didn't.

Question two...I get my biggest jollies wandering over the sandhills on mine own two feet shooting rabbits with a 7mm Brno model 21, preferably without a scope...for a couple of reasons...shooting my model 21's at a heap of rabbits is lots of fun...and when a 7mm hits one of the little buggers I don't have to pick him up.

Win!

added, when I shoot deer I end up doing a shit load of unpaid work...and that is not my idea of fun.

self defense is where firepower is needed the most.

LMAO. Wife and I carry every day. Self responsible. We are scared of nothing. We protect ourselves and might protect others if it came down to it.

Of course I get it that most don't like life vests, fire extinguishers and AED either. Just prefer to risk it all.

I suppose the term brainwashed is rough. But really. What would you do illegally if you did and could carry every day? Nothing more.

As to the schools, a number of crimes have been stopped by armed citizens.

Australia has to be a cool place too. A shame its as far down the tubes as it is. I'm afraid we aren't far behind.

We don't have the option of owning guns for self defence, hunting and sporting use only.

I’ve never carried and never had any concerns about it – I feel just fine. You guys ever gone out without carrying?


I have a smoke alarm, fire extinguisher and first aid kit at home, and another set of the latter two in my car. I'm sure many others do the same.


I agree but seems some do carry and act illegally over there.


To add context, there has been 80 or so school shooting in the US so far this year – that’s about 80 or so more than over here. The number and ease of access to firearms to law abiding citizens doesn't seem to be a deterrent.


(You might want to sit down before reading this.)

You have that arse backwards in terms of quality of life. The US is slightly ahead of China (Australia ranking of 6, USA ranking of 20, China ranking of 23, according to US News. Other organizations have lists with similar results):

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country

(shown for headings:)


(applicable part of the list once sorted against US news rankings:)


Seems the US may already be in the S-bend.

I kinda think that we are best off not taking any quality of life advice from you guys.

You are probably correct...if you live in a cesspit.

I’m sure most of Australia is like most of the US. Safe and secure. Now if one chooses to live in a cesspool it’s your choice. I’ve lived in Ala ska and Florida and several other places. I have been living the country life back in North Dakota for about 40 years. I do visit other places but keep coming home.
Most of the school shootings you quote are actually drug shootings that just happen 5o take place near a school. NBN mostly. Does not affect most normal folks. Edk

Come on, people. No one is going to respond positively in a discussion when you insult their country. I wouldn’t and I don’t think you would either. Each country has its own quirks to include our own. This is the Australia forum. Why provoke citizens of the US’ best ally in the Southern Hemisphere?

The fine state of Illinois requires a FOID (firearms owners ID) for all firearms and ammo purchases. Thanks Chicago. It's been here since 1968, although there are hopes it will be finally repealed.

Not sure what to make out of the quality of life graph. I have been in small town Alaska for 50 years and like it. I have a good life going on and me and my wife are enjoying our retirement years.

Which country has the most people wanting to move to it and become a citizen, the good old U.S. of America. Our country is taking a hit because we refuse to control our borders and liberals use that as a way to get votes. The cost of illegal immigration will ruin us.

Most of the problems the U.S. faces are a direct result of slavery from our past, "libtard" thinking and a growing majority not wanting to work and wanting to benefit from the money the American tax payer generates. A big part of our country suffers because of the sorry over populated poorly governed cities we have on our east and west coasts, with Chicago, Baltimore ad a few others of note. No matter what any one does it will not be fixed, ever.

In a little while my wife and me are going shopping for grub and whatever. When we leave I will have my pistol with me. One just never knows what life brings your way.

It appears that you live in a more dangerous society.

This right here: ^^^^^^^^^^

NOT judging from this thread, just my life in general.... I think most people who have never been anywhere overseas in the USA think we are the greatest place on the planet, and forget their manners when speaking with people of other nations...

I lived for 3 years in Britain in my youth, when my dad was stationed there in the USAF back in the mid 60s.. I learned to respect other people and their countries, especially when I was a guest in their nation. At the same time, being only a kid ( 11 to 14), I wouldn't stand for anyone pissing on the USA....

But I can say, that being outside the US in just Canada and Mexico, I was embarrassed to be an American overseas, just by the way my fellow countrymen acted to those people within their own countries... We wouldn't put up with that here, so why do we expect them to put up with us looking down on them in their own countries?

And the way things are in the USA nowadays within our borders I don't see where we have much to brag about, to other nations.

I'll put it this simple way, that was SOP when I was growing up.... If you hated someone's guts, but you were a guest in their home, or vice versa.... you left it on the door step. Common Courtesy and Respect has gone out the window in American society in the last couple of decades or more....

When working in Canada, I would have Canadian mellennials act like asses to me, and I'd ask them did I do something to offend them... The normal response was that they just hated Americans....Always there was an older Canadian who would come up and apologize for their mellennials criticizing the USA, and how their generation remembered how the USA stood hand in hand with Canada during WW2. My normal response was that I didn't take offense to it, because even people of younger age, hate and criticize the USA at every opportunity within our own country.

I'll never stand up and piss on Australia, New Zealand, Canucks, British or most Europeans, ( except the French LoL).....

Where I lived in England, was not far from Cambridge.. and a lot of families in our neighborhood were from the Commonwealth Nations.. and I was friends with many of those kids in our neighborhood... I formed ideas about them in my youth, that was always very positive... and in my entire life none of those were every disproved.

What I love about the French they make Americans look better because NO ONE is more pompous and self centered and think they are the greatest nation on earth, like the French do....

you want to talk about Tolerance? I live on the border of California.....with I 5 a mile from the house....

well said and I even raised a post about this on the European forum. Despite Australia having fairly similar culture to the US and a lot better gunlaws and freedoms than much of Europe , Australian forums always seem to come under much harder attack by random US posters. I also pointed out on the other thread, European, Asian and even South American sub-forums almost never get attacked at all in 20 years of the internet!

Look at the threads and posts here by rickt300, shootem, bustem, rifleguy etc and similar lightweights. Its like a meeting for 2 digit IQ anonymous, every week we get a new one appear..

Its why Aus/NZ forums are almost dead across US sites these days.

10 years ago Aus subforums were pumping- despite our lesser gun freedoms, we have hunting freedoms most countries can only dream of. Game in plague proportions, no seasons, no bag limits, no calibre restrictions, small game through to thickskinned and you can shoot 1000 head of game a year if you want. Conversations of such hunting, volume culling and Australian opinions on bullet performance ( since we can shoot as much in a year as other countries in a lifetime) were once commonplace. Now we barely poke our heads in to our own forums to see if anyone is talking hunting or just the usual abuse.

One could write a book on the differences between Australia and the US as nations. It is wide apart culturally as countries, especially in business, but the people have more similarities than differences.

Americans that have never traveled are generally poor listeners, aided by the inability to ask relevant questions so I, like most Aussies, get pretty tired to the same off regurgitated "You gave up your guns" BS.

I never met or knew a single person in Oz that owned an AR and I don't recall seeing many or any at the public ranges I frequented 2-3 dozen times a year for over 25 years there. Let me qualify that statement..........

Most have seen the picture on the Net of the "purchased" firearms being piled up for crushing during the buy back. The fat guy in the pic overseeing it was my father in law. The company doing the crushing was Metal Recycler's in Chipping Norton in Sydney. You will note from that pic that there are "NO" AR's in that pic, not a single one.

My FIL told me that even though the buy back included all semi auto's and pump's, there wasn't a quality gun in the lot. They were all pilfered long before arrival and all Aussies know that Browning's were a hot item in Oz. None, Zip. Maybe they weren't sold off, who knows?

Handguns, were never common and were removed from common access after WW1 (I recall 1926) but the point is, the handgun culture never existed there nor a market for them. Also, there is no "Bill of Rights" the equal of what the US has in place.

Now here is the big one. There is a sleeze element in the US that is absent in Australia. Sure, there is a scum element like anywhere else, but it is few in populous and low in profile compared to in particular, the US as a %.

Most Australians not only have never been robbed, assaulted, had a car stolen, a house broken into or even know anyone else who has. In the US it is at levels that are so high and so frequent it doesn't make it as newsworthy. The level of sleeze though existing everywhere, is much higher in the US which is why Americans feel a need to carry and claim the right to as justification. I do too.

I used to take American visitors down the Rocks under the Harbour Bridge at night in Sydney. Never had a single one who wasn't fearful just looking into the dark. Made hilarious entertainment and a point of fun over a drink later on. Sure you can get mugged, but you'd have to go out of your way to very specific streets decades known, for bad behaviour and therefore easily avoided and excluded from your life.

One of the biggest differences between the 2 countries is that America developed its travel routes. Many towns are 7 or 8 miles apart as that's is where the stage coach stops were. I used to live near one in the Rockies, an old log cabin pub where there was still an employment poster on the wall asking for mail riders, preferably orphaned and over 17 years of age. That's America and its foundation. The country is the same size as Australia so this landscape assisted crime in that people could commit acts and move on so easily and "Scott free". Americans have evolved watching their backs in their own country. Aussies, not so much.

Australia is a far more arid nation by comparison, so expansion was restricted by constant drought, poor soil and no people to toil over the land. Hence properties are in acres per animals and not animals per acre as in the US.

The one value an Australian has that and American may never have is the vote.

American voting is voluntary so only a relatively small percentage of population decides who rules. That is why the process can be controlled and manipulated.
By comparison, Australian voting is compulsory, in person, on paper, and counted in front of opposition observers. The other value is that Aussies generally disrespect politicians almost as a culture, to the point of sacking them whenever the "Hip pocket nerve" is affected. It is political suicide to piss off a voter in Oz. In the US, they always miraculously find a van full of incomplete or pre-printed votes from several cemetery residents to get across the line.

SUMMARY
1. American's do not know anything about Australian Gun Laws or their history.
2. Aussie's have a history of blowing their stack if pushed too hard and that time appears to be coming.

The United States was born in rebellion. And yeah, many revel in outlaw culture.

We rail about liberals wanting to restrict 2A liberties. 120 years ago it was the conservative interest groups pushing to outlaw handguns in settled areas.
I have vivid memories back to around 1963 or so. And had family from Arkansas to Tennessee, Colorado, Michigan, and Texas. There were a couple of handguns in the family, but no one carried one from day to day.

And I think that when commonsense local ordinances ruled, people were more or less OK with things.

When states like New Jersey, and Illinois made relatively minor violations into felonies it created a backlash.

Gun owners were not happy with Howards '96 laws. There were protest marches by gun owners, lobbying, etc.

Sadly, many in the general public supported the new laws because they felt it would make for a safer society.

Safety concern, it seems, is a major factor for the average voter.

Not being gun owners, the perceived threat of 'guns in the community' tends to be blown out of proportion.

True, and the populous being mainly city dwellers means no rural roots or association. I walked those protests back then and know how many people were there but typically, the legislation was pre written and shelved until a time considered appropriate or winnable.

Howard knew he was [bleep] on Australians that's why he wore a bullet proof vest, something never seen in Australian culture before or since.
Australian politics revolves around getting your 2 elections behind you to qualify for a parliamentary pension. That's always been the motivation. The voter is just to tool to achieve that retirement plan.

Exactly.

Wasting your time here fellas...those that know understand...those clowns that have no understanding will never know.

I enjoyed this. Thanks for taking the time to put that together.

I disagree. I've traveled a bit and lived in 10 different countries than the USA. Granted I only lived in Australia for a year. My friend who lived in Australia most of his life had very high-end rifles which he was required to register and then had them bought out by the Australian government for less than 5% of what he had in them. Your generalizations show that you do not know near as much as you pretend.

What "high end" rifles do you mean? And when was this? Gun registration came with Howard's laws in '96.

Bugger,
Please quote my generalizations?
I spoke of what I know to be true first hand, after living there 49 years not being a damn tourist quoting second hand info at best.
Your fallacy of a 5% return under the buy back program is as genuine as your first hand knowledge. Full of soup.
I know more about that program than you will ever know because I was there and went through it, so I very sincerely and in the best of Australian vernacular request that you bugger off, as you bring nothing of value to this discussion and only generate unnecessary friction.
John Woods

Fugger, you type utter bullshit. You know 0% of what you say you do.

He hasn't got a clue.

None of them do they're trolling.

Says he spent a year here, so he knows more about it than those who live here and experienced what happened.

We're not Australians, but we did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. 😏

It's a shame so much bashing/trolling happens on the non-US boards. Gun/hunting culture abroad interests me a lot, but most of the boards are dead, aside from trolling.

Australia is a very isolated country not on usual travel or vacation routes, so foreigners have to go out of their way specifically to venture there.
This means that most information foreigners have is second hand at best, embellished either way to hell and back and then modded to suit their argument.
Because I live in the US now, I obviously know a lot of decent Americans who are very similar in attitude and decorum to the average Aussie but a dickhead is a dickhead and always was, no matter the flavour of the dirt under their feet. You will always know them on sight.

The only way to beat these idiots is to totally ignore them and let their thread or comment die right there. Hard to do, as Aussies are notorious for liking a scrap, but really is the best option.

Spend time talking or commenting with those that are like minded or helpful.
Cheers lads,
John

I'm not particularly well traveled myself, Canada is the only place outside the US I've been to. I would have liked to travel more, but life happens. My wife won't get on a plane, and I'm not terribly fond of flying myself. Call me crazy, but if I ever did go to Australia, I'd want it to be in the winter to see the snowy mountains or Tasmanian highlands. I'm very much a winter guy, and it would be a getaway from northern hemisphere summer. 🤷‍♂️

Sort of related to the topic at hand though, I was curious if rifles chambered in handgun cartridges are as strongly restricted as handguns there, or is it the firearm type, not the cartridge that matters?

Type of firearm rather than cartridge eg I have a 9mm carbine that I can take out hunting but a 9mm pistol that I can't.

Handgun cartridges generally don't offer any advantages for hunting under Aussie conditions so these rifles will only ever exist if at all, in small quantity. Ranges are mostly open compared to the US hunting conditions particularly in the east whereby the farm lands most Aussies hunt on have open areas which provide shots out to longish ranges. It depends on the hunter more than anything. Some guys like to hunt timber but open country adjacent to timber is more common there, so an open sighted lever rifle will loose a lot of opportunity. If the cartridge were any pistol option really, it would not offer anything to brag about.

Even when hunting the thick gullies in the mountain ranges after sambar, most hunters are scouring the opposite slopes so again, even though it is technically timber hunting, longer shots become available.

With excessive game numbers, there is also no special season for bow/muzzle loader/pistol and high seat (treestand) hunting is less likely due to size of properties and different tree types.
In most states it is pretty much open season all year around, no tags, no bag limits (on deer), no requirement to recover anything.

Pistol cartridge carbines are fun guns for pigging in swamps, not for hunting on most places.

A 9mm carbine has to be a sub-machine gun to come close to being useful, but not anyway that I know for sure. I've used 357mag out of a rifle on kangaroos and it's totally effective out to at least 70m, as far as I've shot them anyway. I was amazed it worked as well as it did. Hornady XTPs are brilliant.

I have to differ to the above comments at least in respect to my own state- 357 and 44 mag carbine quite popular in QLD, 44-40 not uncommon too. Lots of use in open forest, grassland, woodland and rainforest( of course). If you check gun classifieds there are always plenty going for sale. Some are cowboy action guns but a lot the seller specifies prior hunting use. Plenty of brands of hunting ammo for 357 and 44mag on shelves too, not an indication of obscure calibres.

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I shoot XTP's to 125 yards, they are good killers yep. A 357 in a 1894 or even better modern 1892 repro( which are as strong as some bolt actions) can push 158gn bullets towards 2100fps.

Thanks for the info. I was just curious as a guy who has little use for handguns, but loves handgun cartridge rifles. I've shot a few whitetail deer with a 44 Mag rifle in the past, and my go-to squirrel rifle the past couple years has been a Henry steel carbine shooting 32 S&W Longs.

I'm more of a plinker than hunter these days though, and I just love them for the negligible recoil and cheapness of reloading in comparison to most rifle cartridges these days.

Might have already been covered earlier but I think some landowners (farmers) may be allowed to carry and use handguns, but I've never seen it. I would think however that a 22 rifle at least would be found in most farm vehicles, but then again I've never asked.

I thought Kris Christopherson wrote that in ' Me and Bobby Mcgee'

Careful with studies. Note the things that make up "quality of life" by their metrics.

- Purchasing Power (including rent)
- Safety
- Health Care
- Cost of Living
- Property Price to Income Ratio
- Traffic Commute Time
- Pollution
- Climate

For the safety metric the US is #3 behind China and India - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/safest-countries-in-the-world (lots of odd info there but page down to the bottom of first section

And even that is kinda crap give their weighting criteria.

There are 23 different indicators used to determine how safe or how dangerous a country is. These factors are broken into these categories:

- Ongoing International and Domestic Conflict
- Societal Safety and Security
- Militarization

The factors used to compile this report include:

-Number of internal and external violent conflicts
-Level of distrust
-Political instability
-Potential for terrorist acts
-Number of homicides
-Military expenditures as a percentage of GDP

I think I'll stick with the US the way it is. Although, happy to visit Australia too. I'll try and buy everyone enough quality Australian craft beers to keep both natives and us tourists happy. I'll accept that the amount may be quite a lot.

Interesting. The 9mm kills deer here quite well. Dont' run far. Works almost as good on deer and pigs as our 10mm does. Of course deer and pigs are not hard to kill. I've bio clue how hard your kangaroos are to kill

Oddly, there are two places in the world where you cannot kill Kangaroos - Australia and France. (there is a small wild population of Wallabies in a forest in France which cannot be hunted because they are not on the list of approved game species).

In New Zealand, hunting wallabies is encouraged. They are an introduced pest.

Most hunting in Australia is Rabbits, Foxes, Pigs, Deer (6 different species), wild Cattle, Donkeys, Horses and Dogs, Asiatic Buffalo, Camels, and the top is Banteng.

Of these, only the smaller game live in places where the shorter ranges of pistol calibre carbines (357/44 Mag and 45 Long Colt/454 Cassull mainly) are both useful and sufficiently powerful.

Rabbits are scarce, decimated by calicivirus.

You can shoot them in Australia but you need a permit. Permits are not that difficult to get since the roos are prolific breeders and numbers can become overwhelming at times. The sides of our interstate country highways are testament to the numbers - drive across the Nullabor and there seems to be a stinking roo corpse every 10 metres or so

I did not know that the French had them over there. I guess that they would be a relatively benign introduced species.

Roos aren't that hard to kill. I haven't yet tried to shoot anything with the 9mm.

That's a good thing but I do miss them because there were fun to hunt. The ones that are still around seem to be extra jittery.

There is something amiss with the info in that section. A link to the Global Safety Index on that page shows a list of best to worst with Australia at 10th, China at 85th and USA at 117th.

Any sort of poll or analysis will always be subjective to some extent in regards to parameters defining quality of life and their associated weightings in the overall assessment.

Someone mentioned donkey hunting... are feral donkeys a big problem there?

Feral cats are a problem.

Not sure, haven't heard anything lately. Looks like they are somewhat in the remote regions. Most of the human population is on the east coast with relatively short travel to areas with pigs, foxes, cats, wild dogs etc so these are more commonly hunted. Camels were also a problem at one stage I thought but you'd have to be really keen, and well prepared, to visit the areas where they inhabit.

Check out the appendix in the attached report (it's 10 years old, so is out of date, but gives some sort of idea):




Pest Animals OzzieLand

At last, some common sense. The OP asked some reasonable questions, and they require reasonable answers. Apart from gun laws we have a lot in common with the US. We shared a few wars for starters. I've been a hunter and shooter most of my adult life, I'm currently a qualified Range Officer, and did my time in our Army. You get good and bad in any country, and when you consider the US population is over 300 million against our roughly 25 million, then realise Australia is roughly the size of the Continental United States. Then a little perspective creeps in.
Sure we don't have school shootings and we can't go into a gun store and just walk out with anything we want. But that doesn't make us subservient to our Government. I have no reason whatever to carry a handgun, or for that matter a long arm in my car unless I'm on my way to someplace I can use it. Guns are tools just like chisels and saws. I bet more people get killed by cars and sharp chisels than they do with firearms.
Yes, we have crime here, that's a fact of life. We also have what have come to be known as "home invasions" that can be dealt with using whatever happens to be close handy, like the shovel I use to pick up my dog [bleep]. Nobody wants to get hit in the face with that.

That didn't stop the French from getting all bitter and twisted when we cancelled the sub deal!

I’m a wanker… I have a pistol with me at all times. G20 in a 10mm in my center console. Now with that I been to a few countries South Korea for one I wandered Seoul with my buddy going places where average American soldiers didn’t go, not once did I feel like I need a firearm it was just a safe city. I’m sure one could find trouble. I’m sure Australia is the same, here in America seems we have a higher number of unhinged people. To the point I hate going to our local City of Anchorage, bunch of weird SOB’s wandering that whole city. If I lived in a country like Australia or Canada I would definitely have no need for a pistol.

Horses, donkeys, wild cattle and several deer species can all be found in woodland or close bush as well. Of those horses, deer and donkeys are doable for a stoked 44 mag or 45 colt with the right bullets. 44-40 high power loads as well.

To the other fellas question, donkeys arent a major problem . Not sure of their range but they are shot quite a bit in my state. They are considered tougher animals than horses too.

Very interesting. It's just very strange reading deer listed as a pest animal, as someone who lives in a state with an extremely short annual licensed deer season. We only get a 7 day firearm season for them.

I know feral cats are a big problem in cities here in the US, and feral hogs are thick down south. Where I'm at, coyotes, ground squirrels, groundhogs, and raccoons are the worst pest animals. Feral hogs are beginning to trickle into the area, though, so I'm sure they'll become an issue sooner than later.

Agreed - their criteria for safety seems kinda wonky IMO.

I live very near Baltimore, a truly unsafe city, but we've had virtually no violent crime near me in 20+ years. Property crime yes. The US, just like Australia I expect, has its pockets of crime that are generally easy enough to avoid. That being said, the only time I was confronted with potentially violent crime was in a very rural section of Washington State. I had a Colt 1911 that prevented it. That was over 30 years ago.

crime and murders are where you find them. Thats EXACTLY why we carry 24/7 as long as its feasible. Like you can't on a plane, but can in the airport etc....

Not having the self responsibility to protect yourself is just nuts.

There are "rumors" a few have been killed near a friends house. His property is within a mile of large sections of the Shawnee National Forrest. I'm really hoping they don't get established down here. Fortunately, there are a couple big rivers in the way of their northern migration.

It is challenging to comprehend that Australia is roughly the same size as the "lower 48" but with a population roughly equal to the greater Los Angles area. Then factor in something near 85% of the population lives within 30mi / 50km of the coast. That doesn't leave much for in the middle. I thought rural Nevada was sparsely populated.

Hoped I'd get the chance to visit when I worked for Peabody. They flew nearly every other engineer down there to visit a mine. I did find it amusing that one of the few Aussies I've worked with hadn't heard of Steve Irwin until he lived in the States. He also told me Aussies normally don't drink Fosters. I don't remember if it was him or someone else that told me XXXX got it's name because guys from Queensland can't spell beer. I believe he was from Perth. I assumed that was something similar to how Southerner's make fun of Yankee's here in the US. Personally, I'm a James Boag fan, when I can find it.

From what I've read/seen/heard, the history of wildlife in Australia is complicated. Lots of opinions on native, non-native, and feral species. Opinions of fox, hogs, rabbit, cane toads, and cats alone could generate pages of discussion. But, I live half a world away and I'm probably wrong.

Yes, but not as bad as the camels. There are estimated to be over 500,000 wild camel in the deserts of 3 adjoining States. Fences are no barrier they just walk through them, knock over water tanks and trample native scrub. I was on a 1 million acre cattle Station (ranch) in Western Australia once and the owner showed me a place where he had shot a heap of camels. It looked like a dinosoar graveyard. He used a Winchester mod 70 in 270.

Pest animals are "invasive introduced species" by definition. I guess that there could be "non-invasive introduced species" but don't know what they are. Deer are a non-native animal of Australia. According to the report deer may carry exotic disease and are a general threat to the biodiversity. Australia has many unique, small animals that are sensitive to the impact of these larger introduced animals and the effect that they have on their habitat.

I was wondering about the 158 XTP reference. They have a great reputation. A really good shooting and handloading writer, Brian Pearce, is very complimentary of that bullet and the .357 from carbines and describes loads similar to what you mention. In his estimation, at appropriate ranges, the practical performance of the .357 from a carbine is similar to that of a .30-30. IMO, that’s pretty high praise.

Yeah, I understand the reasoning for it, just really stood out while reading since deer are the premier game species here in the US. I know the U.K. is having issues with those little muntjac deer being quite a disruptive invasive.

Even here where deer are native, they can become a serious nusciance when unchecked. Back in the early 2000s when I was living in Minnesota, deer hunting was actually allowed in certain places within town limits for a few years because they had gotten so thick a bunch of people were hitting them with cars in residential neighborhoods.




Hard to go wrong with .270 for a medium game round. I used one for whitetail deer quite a few years myself. Mine was a Remington 7600 pump, though.

There were some feral camels in the southwestern US that got loose from an experimental Army camel corps in the late 19th and early 20th century, but they never got well established and had all died off by the 1940s.

Id sum up the main differences between US and Australia as follows

US has far more guns, gun rights but so many hunters per game it has strict regs and seasons to manage them.

Australia has plague proportions of at least a dozen major species, my state alone has the worlds largest population of wild pigs, they outnumber people by a million or so, wild cattle, wild camels( well it shares them with a couple other states), wild donkeys and probably wild horses. Also have wild dogs, goats and cats but not sure how we rank numbers wise. In Australia you can shoot most gameno bag limits or seasons, day or night, from vehicle, boat, bike or helicopter, blast away until your barrel melts and leave it to rot. Dedicated hunters here have kills in the thousands.

However....there is an important caveat most Aussies dont mention. There is very little public land available for hunting anymore. You usually need your own land or permission from another landowner to shoot anywhere, and as farmers/landowners are worried about the vandalism, carelessness and liability these days, its not as easy as it used to be to get onto land. There are some states which allow hunting in state parks and have programs to cull animals in protected areas, but by and large Australias greatest surface area is permission only hunting these days.

That's a bummer about the land access issue there. It's becoming more of an issue in the eastern US, but it doesn't sound like to near as badly a degree as there in Aus.

Is the closing of public lands to hunting a fairly sudden recent development there, or was it just a slow progression?.

Not actually sure, I started shooting in the late 80's and by then our national parks were non shooting areas. I seem to recall the early 80's the national parks laws changed, so it might have been something sudden around then. The 7 states and territories of Australia may be different from each other as well. Need some older fellows to weigh in on it

I must the the same vintage as you - similar type of experience.

I just want to add that I don't recall hunting state forests ever being allowed in QLD although some are in NSW but a proficiency test must be passed beforehand and then the particular forest booked. The border is not that far away but I've never done the test or hunted state forest in NSW, although I have hunted on private property there.

Thanks for the insight, guys. Always interesting to learn new things about places I've not been to.

There's just a distinct lack of public land in my state, less than 2% of the total state acreage is open to public hunting, and you have to get special permits to hunt on it. With the demand so high vs number of permits available, the odds of drawing one are extremely slim at best on most of the areas.

Same issue as you all with private land, it's hard to get permission these days. I used to have 3 places to hunt, but now I only have one. One of the others was sold to someone who doesn't allow hunting, and the other had a house built on the neighboring property that is closer than the minimum legal distance required for shooting. The land I do my hunting on now isn't particularly good hunting ground, but it's still a lot better than having nowhere to go.

I guess I'm lucky to live in the part of the state where the majority of public ground is located. I'm 10 min from Sahara Woods which is 4100ac of state ground and 15 min from the Shawnee National Forrest which is 265k acres of Forrest Service. There are certain parcels of state ground that require a special permit or are a limited draw for deer hunting. Almost all of state ground requires a "window card", which is free. I think parts of Pyramid Park require something, Sahara Woods does not, neither does any of the Forest Service (that I know of). Down side is, it can get a bit crazy and crowded on public ground. There are a good number of "city folk" that head down to the sticks to kill a deer. They are why I only bow hunt on public ground and I'll never do opening day of duck season on public ground again.

Shawnee is like a 4 hour drive for me.

I work a couple miles from a small patch of public ground. I have a window card for small game hunting out there, but it is closed to small game during deer season, which is a shame because it is chock full of squirrels.

With this year being so warm, I haven't even been out there yet, since the leaves never dropped before deer season opened. I'll hit it a few times after archery closes next month.

Makes it hard even to plink or load test. I remember shooting in the early 80's as a kid on my grandfathers 10 acre block. It was on a road down to a local beach, not built up, but not remote either. Most of the blocks were between 1/4 acre to 10 acre allotments. We were just plinking paint cans and trees for fun with 22LR, shotgun and 30-30 mostly. Looking back it must have created a hell of a racket, as at least a dozen houses were within rock throwing distance. But shooting noise back then was just considered regular occasional background noise, like dirt bikes or kids on ATV's. People thought, well those young fellas are shooting again, just as long as they dont keep it up all day its fine. With the world we live in now its hard to remember how well it worked before. One shot within earshot of that beach these days and ten folks would consider it civic duty to call police.

yeah mate, I guess it could be googled, to figure out the date land became national parks, i didnt have much luck. I do remember they used to talk about '' crown land'' in the day, and the hazy recollection was you could shoot on crown land as long as it wasnt yet declared national park( aka totally protected). I know a retired parks officer in his 60's, will ask him next time I see him

No mate, they don't. You have to show your license when you purchase ammo, but not for components. Some Australians have a somewhat different sense of humour to a lot of Americans. So you may get a few smart arse (ass) comments from a few of my country men. We often talk to one another as if there's an issue of some sort. It's just normal conversation here.

I'm pretty sure you do, I can't remember though (I usually buy multiple items when I shop and there's always a flash of the licence required, no overly memorable event). Also powder is classed as an explosive and, in addition to showing your licence, it goes into a register that you have to sign off on - the authorities are meant to keep track of how much powder you may have, or rather if you appear to be buying excessive amounts. There is a limit of 15kg (I think) maximum stored at a domestic residence here in QLD. I don't know how closely anyone actually looks at the data and I've never been visited or asked to show cause, but I typically don't buy large quantities of powder all that often.

I used to burn at least 30 pounds a year when I lived there. Powder was always coming home with me and no license was required. Had a mate who also bought it in barrels.
Even in the 80's and 90's we bought brass by the shovel full on scales. I can still clearly remember Peter Abella shoveling cases into a box on scales in the middle of his shop floor for me. I gave it all away when I moved and somehow its like coat hangers, the damn stuff breeds on your shelves.

mauserand9mm is correct, primers require a licence these days. Only inert components( brass, bullets, wads, hulls etc) do not.

Question for Aussies:

Does anyone think that your more restrictive (as compared with the US) gun laws have reduced crime? Did the laws passed in the 1990s (including confiscation) cause any reduction of crime? Or were there demographic factors involved.

Here in the US, homicides by ethnic group are 19.8 per 100,000 for blacks, 6.4 per 100,000 for Hispanics, and only 1.7 per 100,000 for whites. The 1.7 figure is lower than most European countries.

Been to Australia 3 times your standard of living and satisfaction isn't any better or higher then the u.s
I wasn't overly impressed

Your strippers however are top notch they are cheap and easy

I( have been arguing for people to carry in schools for a long time now. Some states are allowing it and some aren't. Seems the ones not allowing it are the ones having the shootings. The big problem here is Democrats and week Republicans. Teachers and teachers unions are another. They prefer throwing rocks or balls and arming with clubs than really doing anything to defend kids.

Forgot about this thread.

I could much dig the remoteness of the wilder areas of Australia. I don't have to have mountains or oceans, or any specific landform or feature. I treasure aloneness.

I do appreciate the lawful liberty of most Americans to be armed as they live life. But I also get it that in a land the size of America with the population density of Australia, that the imperative to be armed is less of a deal.

If my fortune took me to Australia, I'd adapt and be happy. I'd never culturally be an Australian, but I'd enjoy trying.

Firearm related deaths were on the decline since before the tighter restrictions were introduced, but any real effect of the restrictions would only be speculation since we don't have a "control" group to compare against.


https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=new-firearm-related-death-data-proves-nfas-real-ineffectiveness


Might want to search for other related documents here:


https://www.ssaa.org.au/news/research/research-archive/


We don't really have the social racial segregation that the US has - I think that most of our firearm violence is crime related without any racial factors. It's more a case of "Where's my money? I want my money!"

I just looked this up for another post.

Generally, in the lower 48 you cannot get more than 115mi from a McDonalds (as the crow flies). Might even be less these days.

There is a great deal of Australia's empty country that is more than 300mi from a McDonalds, and a reasonable area of the Western Desert which is more than 450mi from the nearest McDonalds. Given the poor road system in remote areas, the driven distance is much, much, further.

Plenty of space to forget other people exist if you want, but don't think that you are that alone. Many of these areas still have good populations of the traditional owners, Australian Aboriginies, and they pop up in the oddest places when you are in the middle of nowhere. Usually very friendly, always interested in you, and if they are not helpful it is because you are asking for something against their belief system (like directions to a sacred site, etc.).

Also, plenty of Camels in those areas. The big bulls are nearly a ton in weight.

As mentioned earlier, Australia has the only population of wild camels on the planet. Yet, only really two predators of note, the Dingo (Australia's equivalent to the Wolf) and the Saltwater Crocodile (a sneaky ambush predator). Unlike the US where you may be confronted by a possessive bear, or hungry Lion where you may need a handgun, such a thing is unnecessary with Dingos, and worthless with the Crocodile.

Salties are sneaky.
https://www.facebook.com/630105451/videos/pcb.10159595513490452/10159595510815452

The outback is beautiful during Autumn, Winter and Spring, but can be extremely harsh over Summer. Harsh, as in pack up and go to the coast for a few months.

They claim its about the same or a small drop. The background factor is Australia has doubled police per capita(twice as many cops on the street) since the 90's and the incarceration rate has also doubled. Thats not a net positive effect, except for a dictator in a banana republic maybe.

laws brought in for massacres are an argument full of holes anyway. A massacre as bad as it sounds is just 40 people shot up every 20 years or so. Meanwhile there are a steady 600 killed in regular homicides every year in the same time.

All the billions spent in weapons registration and extra police salaries, claiming to save 20-40 folks from a potential massacre when 15.600 still got murdered.

Interesting. My experience of growing up smack-dab in the middle of the states (Iowa) is about the same. NW Iowa is semi-rural, neither unpopulated or densely populated depending on one’s frame of reference. In the ‘60’s growing up before I could even drive, I’d carry my dads single shot 12 ga through town to get to the railroad tracks on the south edge. The ditches there held pheasants. I was always walking around with an air rifle shooting rabbits even before that. My home town was mostly made up of socially and politically conservative Dutch farmers and the like, mostly only a couple of generations past their forefathers immigration.

It’s a very heterogeneous town now with a small church-affiliated liberal arts college with its own self-appointed elite winking at our now annual Gay Pride Day.

I bet a kid wouldn’t get very far down the very route I took before being met by a lot of stern looking men with badges. Shy of breaking any laws, I’d almost like to test the proposition. 😉

I think the fifties, sixities, seventies was the golden age in Australia.....

Sad but rings true.

The slide downhill started in the 70s. I had the same interests as my father and I was born 1948. In the 60s I could do anything my father could do when he was late teens and early 20s.

With guns in Australia I think 158XTP has covered things well. Actually I think the basic difference is Australians are shooters, seen in our main gun magazine, The Sporting Shooter. Australians talk about going on a shooting trip next week. Non shooters will often day to you "when are you going shooting"The volume o shooting is extremely high compared to America. In general smaller calibres are used. A lot of shooters will use the 22 rimfire and 22 magnum on everything. 223 shooters will use them on anything that moves.

so you supported the gun bans and confiscation. No one is surprised

Haaaaaahahahahaaaa ! LMGDMFAO !

Anti gun, loves the Mrna vax and supported shutdowns for a big hoax. Typical dumb boomer

*******

Australian Gun Law Update;
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria.....alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....'
You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it's too late!
FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON 'T STAND FOR NONSENSE
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

You really need to check your facts.

Or are you uninterested in the facts when they don't support your fantasy?

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/re...n-aussie-gun-laws-misses-the-mark-again/

or

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...ew-gun-control-laws-were-introduced.html

or

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

One thing I would agree with is that the 1996 buyback of outlawed guns in Australia would be ineffective, not because of the keyboard warriors who say they would refuse, but because the borders are less secure than the relatively isolated nation that is Australia. Then there is the legitimate domestic production for export which is likely to be redirected in part.

Guns weren't outlawed, only semi autos. There is category that permits farmers to own self loaders for the purpose of eradicating ferals, etc.

I guess you can whip a few young thugs with your bare hands.....it must be nice to be a bad ass. I prefer to be a safe "wanker" anywhere I go. I'm too old to fight but I still want to protect myself and my family. That's why I like that "freedom" you scoff at.

So how do the Chippendales rate?

Interesting. Here our wankers are the ones who want to stop others from owning / carrying guns and the wanna-be bad-asses are the ones boasting 'bout how they don't need guns. We seem to have just the opposite situations from you. Glad you have Australia and I have the USA. Neither of us would fit in very well in the other place.

Nothing is that simple.

It seems that there are quite a few weak and stupid people in Australia as typified by JSTUPID. Too weak to defend their rights, too stupid to know what to defend. Imagine someone breaking into your house at night while your asleep, you defend yourself and your family and then get charged with murder by the police and then get locked away for 8 years!!!!

We had some of the largest street protests ever seen over the '96 gun laws. And if you imagine yourself, were you in that position, taking up arms against your government, initiating a civil war, you are dreaming.

I sleep in my underwear with the bedroom windows open at night during summer, if that helps anyone out. Still continue grocery shopping while unarmed. I can't imagine the anguish that this thought may cause for those not living in the first world.

I have told people many times that if it comes to going to jail and losing your family time and job over guns that most people will oblige the government. A few may not but most will turn them in.
Don’t let the news media convince you guys in Australia how bad crime is here. If you delete the minorities we would have one of the safest places in the world. The blacks and such mostly kill each other. No down side to that. Edk

The USA is in the same boat. Same problem.

Wether it be in the car on your person or even in your home if it’s there for protection you’re in deep [bleep]!! We don’t even have castle laws here in Australia you just can’t use one with the intent of protection if you have time to load and use you had time to escape is there logic , I know one bloke who had a home invasion at 3am one morning, he had a handgun and just happened to be cleaning it at the time , two years in court and big $$$ he won and finally got his kit back but the cops hassled him all the time after that with random visits etc
, he only wounded the meth head he didn’t kill him

Thanks for confirming that youre an anti gun beta male

unholy fkn hell !
these Austards will make up any excuse for not having guns for self defense

Just admit it ya libiot pussies , YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO !

you pissed your guns away years ago

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No crime at all in Auatralia?

No rabies?

No feral dogs?

The ignorance shown by some of the American posters on here regarding firearm laws in Australia is beyond belief. You'd think that if someone was going to criticize a country's firearm laws, that they would at least have some idea what they're talking about.

The latest Global Peace Index for 2022 places Australia at 27 and the good old USA at 129. That's right, 129, far worse than many 3rd world countries. The simple fact is that in Australia and New Zealand (rated 2nd safest country) people don't need to carry a firearm for self defense because there is no threat. I'm 70 years young and have never known any member of the law abiding public who has needed a gun for self defense and I was in law enforcement for many years.

tell us about Australian immigration laws lol. yes your ignorance is showing

Australia is one of the most racist countries in the world


can you legally purchase a semi auto pistol, rifle and shotgun in Australia?

Aussies actually brag they have no freedom of speech and no self protection laws and embrace firearms bans

dumb and dumber

Of course, being an ex-police member, you have the attitude that only police should have guns and the general public should be completely defenseless. If a house invasion is happening or a group of African youths are attacking someone, then the victim should just call the police, and the Police will come, half an hour later. Zeissman do you also think the Police should be disarmed?

The COVID beatdowns told me all I needed to know about AUS/NZ.
The Chinese will take over AUS/NZ within the decade.
They have no defense and no allies who'll take on the Chinese.
You'll see RED DAWN in Sidney sooner than later.

AND then there is the Muslim invasion.
Four striper Muzzy in AUS Navy.

he's an anti gun racist cuck who luvs facism

your justification for banning firearms is laughable boot licker

Idiot

America would be in the top three safest countries in the world if the black population's violence were not part out the country's stats. Too bad Abe was killed, he would have solved this problem for us.

The public is armed if they want to be and I fully support that. Try arguing with a 12 gauge shotgun, even an old side by side, loaded with buckshot.

I doubt that very much. It's not just the blacks; you have millions of illegal aliens, no doubt many who are criminals, from south of your border roaming your cities and towns.

A typical low IQ response similar to what the little tyke ribka would come up with. 129th in the world for safety! Something to be really proud of. I suppose you're really proud of your current commie president too?

The Australian laws and NZ laws do not allow you to be armed either in public or in your own home. It is illegal to have a firearm for self-defence and any attempt to use one for such purposes will land you in prison with a hundred thousand dollar legal expense and your gun licence cancelled. Firearms must be locked in safe's and so does ammunition in a separate locked facility. There is no way that anybody during a home invasion could have a firearm ready for a home invasion and not be committing a "crime". And you know that.

Stats prove what I said. Illegals now could be part of the issue also, but I have no information on that.

C'mon man - you can't be that naive, surely. Who would be stupid enough to choose the potential murder of themselves or their family members over the fear of a potential fine for legally defending themselves - using whatever force necessary to defend their lives.

Safes are used for storage of firearms and ammunition BTW - investigate what that means.

You are not allowed to have a firearm for self-defense, it is illegal for you to have a firearm immediately available in case you need it for self-defense, you are highly unlikely to know that a home invasion is imminent so that you can take it out and load it and use "self-defense" as a legitimate reason for using it...so if you have a firearm ready in case there may be a home-invasion and you use it, the chances are that you will be up on a murder charge and other charges and immediately thrown in jail. Now were you to take a firearm into a public place, even if it's in a bad part of town at a bad time (night-time) and you used it for self-defense, you would be up on a murder charge as well as all the other charges, and you would be thrown in jail straight away.

Bullshit. Don't go full Ribka on us now (you never go full Ribka, ever). Only a prize cunt would jeopardise their family safety to avoid facing possible legal ramifications of some error of judgement. Better to face a court that attend a funeral of a loved one, especially if you had the means and ability to try and prevent it.

No, everything I mentioned is completely true. Your argument that someone Down Under wouldn't jeopardise their family's safety to avoid facing definite legal ramifications may be true in many instances, but that doesn't change the legal ramifications of all those individual acts and what I said is completely true. So don't try and talk your ass out of it with your misguided loyalty, like you always like to do, because you can't.

Ring any bells?

"Resistance to gun reform in Australia had been fierce in the years leading up to Port Arthur. In 1987 two massacres in Melbourne left a total of 15 people dead and placed the issue of gun control firmly on the national political agenda. But the firearms lobby and lawmakers in gun-friendly states like Queensland and Tasmania worked to frustrate efforts at federal reform. Part of the problem, and an obvious point of similarity with the situation in the United States today, was that guns were mostly regulated by the states, which made reform dependent on national coordination...."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...n/australia-mass-shootings-guns.amp.html

Well, you just keep studying for your law degree, and maybe do another driving test to make sure you are up to date - leave what we may do up to us. She'll be right mate - you don't need to lose any more sleep over it.

Hey there Mauser9 and DBT, are you 2 friends of a "Molly Meldrum" by any chance? (Yes, the whole world saw how you greet people) And where was my "Welcome to country"?

As I said, the Chinese will fix all AUS/NZ problems when they take over.

So tell me mr macho Aussie, how many loaded 9mm Glocks with 15 round mags (plus extra mags) you keep in the house, ready to be deployed in a seconds notice for self defense and family protection ?

How many AR-15's with 30 rounds mags ya got in the house ready STAT ?

Who, me? None.

Right.

good answer

you wouldn't want the coppers out checking your house now would you ?

Ok then, I fully agree with your last sentence ...

I'm curious what "loaded ready for defense" firearms you have in your house .... this does not include "stored" guns & ammo in separate safes/lockboxes etc ...

And of course you would think that the dumbasses would have learnt something over the last 124 years with the various wars they were involved in. In the Boer War a good percentage of the Australian participants were from the country and had skills in rifle usage and living in the "bush". They were quality troops as were a reasonable percentage of the ones who went off to fight in WW1. By WW2 there were still a lot of quality people. Besides the fact that many of those quality people died in combat and couldn't breed, with a consequence that many who were left who did breed were garbage as they were too weak/unsuitable to go off to battle, very few now have the skills necessary were there to be an invasion. So the present situation is that you have garbage people bred from weak garbage parents who have no skills of living off the land and using firearms, so the country could not defend itself if it needed to. If they were too stupid to look and learn from their own situation, they could have easily learnt by looking at how the Finns held off the invading Russian army in and around 1939.

Blowhard yanks who are blind to the state of their own society and nation while they point their fingers at others.....

Are you on an invalid pension too, like many of your countrymen? Or did you manage to convince everyone that you have 1/10 native ancestry?

They have checked it out and it's all good.

None. I still manage to sleep really well at night though.

I think I have a Japanese sword in the top cupboard in the main bedroom - not a Hattori Hanzō but still pretty sharp from what I recall.

another migaloo mugilah.

Funny how these AUS/NZ guys forget who saved their sorry butts from the Japs in WW II.

Back then at least they had guns and a Navy. Now disarmed and no WMDs to threaten China/Indonesia.
Either of those countries could walk over AUS/NZ in 2 weeks. No one will go to war to save them. Heck NATO can't even hang together to frustrate Russia.

The Japs almost did it, next time it will be a piece of cake.

lol.

Keep laughing Aussie. Your grandkids in the labor camp will be speaking Chinese b efore they are organ harvested.

Blowhard Yanks, are you aware of the state of your own nation, with a vegetable for a President? How are things going for you? What are you doing about it?

Funny how these AUS/NZ sheep can pick on senile Joe while ignoring the threat next door (Indonesia), The Muslim invasion and the Chinese buying up the country.

Small countries w/o WMDs are easy prey. Ask NOKO why he built nukes. Lesson: Gooks are smarter than Kiwis.

typical facist bootlicker, brags about giving up his firearms and taking a toxic ineffective vaccine lol


Did the covid shot prevent covid? what a clown

lmao

Where did I do that, little ribka? Put up or shut up.

Freedom is often ugly and messy, however a cuckhold slave like you wouldn’t know that….. or what freedom looks like.

You keep cowering and caving and don’t worry about us. There’s is nothing we need from the Island of Misfit Toys.

Only a question of who takes over ---- the chinks or muzzys.

It is interesting to see the different attitudes of people in different countries. Usually, the opinions voiced regarding the practices in another country come from ignorance, rather form any real knowledge. The concept of having to carry a gun everywhere you go seems to be uniquely American; although there are certainly people in other countries who feel the same way. In general though, better life choices make a great substitute for being armed. If you are not involved in the drug trade, the chances of being shot are drastically reduced. If you are not a belligerent, aggressive driver, the chances of being shot are drastically reduced. If you do not belong to a gang dedicated to trying to piss off another group, your chances of getting shot are drastically reduced.
In North American, there is a long tradition of hunting for sustenance and for sport; this forms a large part of the basis for the right to firearms ownership. Of course, the other supporting argument for firearms ownership stems from the perceived necessity to protect individual freedom FROM THE STATE. The greatest threat to liberty is seen to be one's own government. This contention is demonstrable worldwide, so there is certainly a point to it. It is only in recent years (say the last forty years or so) that so many Americans have begun living in fear of violence as an everyday situation. In essence, many citizens have chosen to raise the stakes for everyday interactions. At the same time, the general breakdown of social etiquette and respect for others, has exacerbated the problem.
I was born in the great state of Idaho and spent my years growing up in Idaho, British Columbia, and Alberta. I was educated in both countries and served in the US Army. I have travelled from coast to coast numerous times. At the same time, I have no personal knowledge of Australia and have never been there. This lack of knowledge doesn't seem to hold anyone else back, so I'm going to jump right in too.
The impression I get, regarding Australians, is that firearms were not as central to their lives, in frontier times, as they were to Americans. People were more widely dispersed and the challenges were different. They didn't have large herds of buffalo or other game to hunt. They had no large predators to defend themselves against. All in all, their challenges were more along the lines of getting enough water to make a living, and a gun didn't help a lot here.
In Canada, things were more like in the US in many respects. Hunting was a way of life for many. There were (and are) plenty of large predators around, and the carrying of a gun (rifle or pistol) was prudent.
I have, for most of my life, usually had a rifle in the truck. This is not for protection against criminals but I have put it to use against predators or to dispatch injured animals along the highway. I almost always carry a rifle if I'm in bear country, and I just like carrying a rifle; I always have. I like a rifle over bear spray. A sprayed bear might still bite me; a dead bear won't.
I strongly suspect, if push comes to shove, it might turn out that Australians are a little better armed than many might think. Rural Australians, like rural Canadians and Americans, are a pretty independent lot. I think they are more inclined to act, when necessary, rather than bluster when it is not. GD

"Being armed" won't save them anymore than it did the French/Dane/Norwegians etc when the Nazis rolled in.
No WMDs equals NO Defence.
Two weeks to surrender at most.

Take a good long honest look in the mirror, Ace. Look at the state of your own nation before you hurl your cowardly insults at people in other nations, because it appears that you are blind to your own folly and have no understanding of the situation in Australia.


Are you aware of the constant encroachment of legislation in your own nation, a slow but steady eroding away of your freedoms?

Of course you are, yet you do nothing about it.

Abusing others on the internet doesn't resolve the issues in your own nation, Ace.

Your vile attitude toward others doesn't address what is happening in the USA.

Which just makes you a helpless blowhard yank spewing his bile on the internet.

Have a nice day, Ace.

"Being armed" won't save them anymore than it did the French/Dane/Norwegians etc when the Nazis rolled in.
No WMDs equals NO Defence.
Two weeks to surrender at most.

Refute that

Most Australians, like you, embraced the fake pandemic and all of the shutdowns, gun confiscations and stated the experimental shot stopped the spread of covid. lol


Here in the US when they pass gun grabs our sheriffs refuse to enforce the laws unlike facist Australia

You didn't answer the question, ribka. You deflect. And it seems like you feel entitled to insult others but whine when you get it thrown back.

They didn't teach history in your school? The US didn't enter the war to support us against Japan. The reverse was the case: your country was attacked by Japan, and Australia was one of the first to declare war on Japan in response, to support you, our ally. The same as we declared war on Germany in 1939, to support our allies, when the US largely sat on the sidelines, and made a fortune.

Australian forces were also the first to defeat Japan in land battle, and stopped them and turned them back on the Kokoda Track. Australia committed far soldiers as a percentage of population than the US ever did.

We have supported you in wars ever since. Even when it was your interests and not ours that were served.

dan, can you legally purchase a Glock 19 in Australia?

lol

fully simped

you are a joke for supporting the complete ban of firearms and free speech.

what a dumb vile ball less cuck


can you provide the vax data dumb facist cuck?

what a dumb anti science weak beta clown you are. no shame. you should just get a tranny operation. lmao

A dedication goes out to the trolls:

love to see the vax trials dumb beta cuck



go get your 8th booster little vax nazi. lol

Look in the mirror, little ribka, you are the one hurling insults, you are the one who initiated this exchange, you are the one spewing bile.

Everything you say applies to you.

And you still haven't supported your claims or accusations.

Nor is there a 'complete ban on firearms or free speech.' Take your meds and have a nap before you blow a gasket.

Aussie strong!!!

Funny how the Roos and Kiwis have failed to answer my question.

""Being armed" won't save them anymore than it did the French/Dane/Norwegians etc when the Nazis rolled in.
No WMDs equals NO Defence.
Two weeks to surrender at most.

Refute that"

Guess they know they are toast if the Muzzys or Chinks ever decide they want AUS/NZ.

As attractive as our wide brown land is, I think the problem is that we have way too many poisonous snakes, like Taipans and Copperheads (the real Copperheads, not the limp dick Copperheads that are found in the states), and nobody's got time for that. We have also got lots of bats. I know the Chinese love bats but they are smart enough to avoid them for the risk of Hendra Virus.

So I guess we'll keep dealing with our Chinese trade partners in the meantime, just as the US continues to owe China lots of money. Save the nuking for another day.

Nothing is that simple.

I posit that Ribka and his ilk are but juvenile Sontarans posting from mummy's basement. Anyone?

That's the impression I get.

I get the impression the down under crowd has never read any world history.

It is "that simple".

AUS/NZ are the Poland of the 21st century.
China or Indonesia are the Germany

But it's even worse as England or France (or anyone else) will do anything to stop the takeover.

I'm sure they make a gallant stand with their Muslim infiltrated police and military.

2 weeks to surrender at most.

You need to get together with your other sockpuppet mate, UpThePole. He was into WMDs and 2 week surrenders too. Can we nickname you "Larry"?

Only in your imagination.

Looky looky....






Larry = MrMuskie = UpThePole

Can we nickname you beta Mary, anti gun NAZI?

Australia

"I'll give up all of my guns for a cold virus"

lol

Yes, I think you are right. Hard to take them seriously, and easy enough to ignore.

A lie. Poor little Tyke can't distinguish between truth and lies.

While the law says it is illegal to solely have a firearm for self defense; a firearm can be used for self defense. Yes, you're right in that firearms and ammunition must be locked up. However, I know there are people who don't do that. Regardless, it's just not necessary as the threat doesn't exist, with the odd very, very rare exception. House thieves don't carry firearms and will bolt if they're disturbed. The rival criminal gangs shoot each other now and again, all most always over drug control such as meth. The public don't seem mind that at all.

OOPS I see more gun bans today in Australia and you keeping endorsing them like the Covid cuck you are lol

Poor little Ribka makes a comeback! Must've shit his pants AGAIN!

Is this you Ribka?:

"Endorsing them" is a lie. Which makes you a liar. Get your nappies changed.

Waste of time feeding the trolls DBT.

You’ve stated in the past there’s no need for people to own semi auto firearms.

Another Aussie anti gun clown simp

Go get your 6th booster. Covtard

Bullshit. I said no such thing. You lie. Prove what you say....but of course, you can't.

You can't because you lie.

All of your posts praising your facist govt when throughly abused civil rights of Australian citizens


Show some pics of your glocks, ar 15s. Or any semi auto rifle or shotgun. Lol

You lie. A shameless liar. Prove what you claim....but you know you can't because you know that you are lying.

You have the mind of a toddler, saying anything to get a bit of attention.

Good post that makes a lot of sense. NZ early settlers had hostile Maori natives to contend with in some areas of the country so invariably farmers and small communities were well armed in those areas. No dangerous animals, however later on, during the 1930s, 40's and 50's introduced red deer were a real pest and out of control and put many farms in jeopardy by emerging from adjacent forestry and eating pasture. Even though the deer numbers are well down on what they're used to be the Department of Conservation still considers deer a national pest to be destroyed on sight and you can hunt them every day of the year for free. Then there's the rabbits and brush tailed possums.

When I was a in my mid teens it was normal to go anywhere with a firearm over your shoulder. I used to bike to various forestry blocks and farms to shoot deer and rabbits. Nobody blinked am eye. Nowadays, in town, if you walked down to the letterbox with a rifle slung over your shoulder some nosey woman neighbor is bound to call the police, "help, help, I just saw a man with a gun". My, how times have changed and now we have all these woke, PC idiots to deal with as well.

In his defence, he believes that there was bloke born over 2000 years ago as a result of immaculate conception with god himself, who is in fact worshipped by him and his kind as a god, in defiance of the one god that bloke 2000 years ago actually worshipped. All of course written down by a bunch of self-interested men 500 years after the fact, and versions that did not follow their storyline had a shorter half life than Putin's original claims of successfully invading Ukraine.

Oh, and he is a Trumpist fool who believes that the 2020 election was stolen by a complex conspiracy of paedophiles (almost certainly related to the descendants of those self-interested men 1500 years ago) and mainstream news media (the censor team) that no-one can actually identify and who have achieved a code of silence that the mob would admire.

For these reasons him/her/it has no idea what truth is and should be allowed some leeway in their relationship with complex concepts like hot and cold, light and dark, true and false. Poor RIBKA probably doesn't even know enough to identify as male/female and wonders if the boyfriend will make him/her/it pregnant next time he unloads a shot up their arse.

Poor ribka, I should feel sorry for the little muppet, but nah, he can't help himself.

criminals definitely dont they all got handed in back in 1996. NOT

I didn't mean to post this twice

definitely not the criminals they handed all their guns in back in 1996. NOT

So can you buy a Glock 19 in Australia?

But you can still double mask.

clown world down under lol

yes pedohilia is very popular down under

and no one is shocked

Little tyke ribka pulls out yet more from his precious private collection

Little ribka really loves the gay scene. Probably thinks about it all day and dreams about it all night. Ribka, gay as they come, pink ribbons, lace underwear, it's the whole shebang for that little rascal....

So you praisegun bans , hate Christians and embrace pedophilia?

You’re quite the intellectual. Lol

Little ribka, a child, a liar and a buffoon.

Where can I buy a semi auto shotgun or Glock inAustralia pedo? lol

Grow up. Get a life.

Might be one in here:

https://usedguns.com.au/search-resu...nditions&gunsStates&keyword=Semi

But I don't think they would sell anything to a fuckwit like yourself.

True...we have standards.

ok dummies I don't see Glock 19 or any AR's or Ak or SKS.

You sure love your gun control cucks

Oh, oh. Well maybe fuck off then.

Cock-head ribka.

Ribbit is a Russian Operative

direct drive is a pedo tranny drag queen operative

ok tranny worshipper. Just exposing what a left anti gun country Australia really is.

No, just reiterating what a lying fuckwit you are - you proved that a long time ago. I guess it takes a while to sink in.

You are a Sad Little Sook.

every day gun in Australia?

A rubber band

You are the one with the fascination for the unusual gay fetish material - I'll bet you wear a rubber band on your cock while you are searching and reviewing those videos as you build up your collection and fill hard drive after hard drive.

What's that smell? Oh, it's just little ribka with his soiled nappy.

FFS man... oops, my apologies for misgendering you .. It/thing , there , better now ?

anyway, dude ... (sorry again IT) you got trolled so good that you inexplicably shared some really personal shyte we didn't need to know about ya ... GD, ya fkn sicko

LMAOWDB

Something with your issues wouldn't be able to hold a firearm licence here so we do have that going for us.

Every day gun use in anti gun Australia is turning in your neighbor for possessing a child’s BB gun then getting your 13 th covid booster to celebrate

What do you expect from a racist inbred prison colony?

Poor little ribka - did you snap your rubber band?

You should seek professional help. Seriously.

SwampButtKaren, I think you are over-thinking it you sick fuck.

while viewing the soiled pages of his Tom of Finland comic collection....

Here, get out of that...I had to search that up. How the hell did you even know that existed!

Hey, I apologized for the misgendering, sorry again, ok ..

and ... all the stuff IT posted came from it's brain , nobody elses

The advice was that you seek professional help - this doesn't appear to have happened yet.

You posted that random perverted stuff in a hissy fit moment when you lost your Skittles

Stuff from your mind ...... YOU posted ... just scroll up and double check ...

I'd advise the neighbors keep their kids away from you before you snap, seems all this friendly back n forth banter is pushing you over the edge , mental health issues always surface when someone uses the wrong pronouns when addressing you, it's a good thing you don't have any guns, we've seen what you trannies do when you get guns

Just calm down man ! oops sorry, Ma'am !

Seriously, get the professional help you need.

Of course, we fought England and won our independence. Somewhat unique to the other "colonies". There is mistrust of government, therefore our founders made a constitution preventing said government from disarming citizens. Our 2nd Amendment. That's freedom! Unfortunately we sometimes have a cost for that freedom.

The whole relationship we have with the United Kingdom is largely misunderstood by Americans. They're useful to us and that's why we keep them around. As for the royal family I think most most of us in this part of the world consider them as a bit of a joke. The government is only for three years between elections and if they piss off too many people, which includes many gun owners, they don't get reelected. I can understand a government banning or wanting to ban assault rifles, because they're primarily designed to kill as many people as possible (bombs, mortars, machine guns and RPG's excepted) in the shortest possible time. I don't think it has anything to do with preventing a rogue government from trying to destroy our Bill of Rights or other democratic legislation.

Thanks for your view. It works for you guys. It is oposite in the US by the majority. The thought that a government would have the power to disarm the people is a big issue. And even the term "assault rifle" is part of the disarm process. Any semi-auto? And here they are used by many hunters (hog, etc) and most of all property defense. Military weapons are "assault", fully auto. And after all, isn't all firearms originally designed to kill people. Sounds like our resident gun-banners to generate media sensation.

What a phagg lol. So freedom makes living scary for the poor little aussie boy huh? Freedom isnt easy so I get why you vag tightens up by the sheer mention of it

Lolol…the fact that they actually think and believe that is proof of how completely ignorant they are. In every discussion that they participate in here, without fail they are always WRONG. They have 1 or 2 sycophants but aside from them the rest of the membership here finds them universally wrong.

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”
Patrick Henry

“ The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”

Mark Twain

+1

Grow up. Childishness displayed by adults is not a good look. Once more, the vast majority of gun owners did not agree with or support the gun laws of '96.

Well look at that, another way to spell 'fuckwit'.

Wasting your time as the fuckwits won't listen.

I'm not about to attack the someone's nation or state in a wholesale manner.
It's bad form, and makes the attacker look stupid.


Attacking our obsession with freedom and keeping the government in check
just shows a lack of knowledge, foresight, or the ignorance of the already
submitted.

Freedom is not always pretty.
It is a constant struggle, as the default position is to control or submit.
Even the fight for freedom is a variation of the default.
Two sides, one wanting to control the other, the second wanting their rights
to control themselves.

Totalitarianism is more orderly.
The selected pass laws, the underlings obey.

It would seem that except for some Former Soviet States, the whole world
is trending towards the default.

Political freedoms are evaporating from most countries.
The only ones expanding are ones endorsing immoral or other undesirable
behavior.

The US is behind the curve in some of this,
but has been racing to get the lead.

Who is doing the attacking?

Exactly what did i sat that wasnt true? Dont get your panties in a wad just because you didnt like what you heard and i wasnt bagging on you fyi. I was addressing the little dick weed who was talking chit on being free

Wanna do a "He started it"?
Or "Two wrongs dont make a right"?

Guess I'm crotchety today.

I bet a free ice cream cone could start a pissing match anymore.
Over size, color, or seconds?
Probably all 3!

LMFAO….you justifying the confiscation of your firearms and the loss of your rights doesn’t reinforce your manliness, it does the opposite, it reinforces the fact that you guys are sheep….pussies….which by definition makes you gals the fu.ckwits. Congratulations? 😂😂

It’s an interesting observation but I have noticed that the sheep mentality is strong in you “guys”. I suppose any self-determination or “rugged individualism” has been totally bread out of you by now, if those traits were ever present in the DNA of the original castoffs in the first place? Your need for the “support” of your fellow mates is cute but telling. It’s also interesting that virtually any “support” that you clowns get is relegated to only you girls, rarely does anyone else agree with your nutter opinions and retarded beliefs.

If the choice is befriending fu.ckwits that are self-reliant, FREE and capable of defending their family….or…..befriending fu.ckwits that voluntarily give up their rights, cower to their government, mandate and forcibly require that others get injected with an unproven experimental “vaccine” and then instead of STFU about their obviously stupid behavior they double down. They refuse to acknowledge their behavior had significant consequences not only to them but to society at large.

I’ll take the free fu.ckwit over the ignorant fu.ckwit that voluntarily surrendered their freedom and now demands all the other sheep do the same.

LOL!!! Aces and BumChamp have gone on a bitching bender. Cheer up gals, I'm sure you're doing great in your own minds. You should stop partying with tyke Rikba. LOL!!!

I don't want to do anything. Someone is on the attack, but it's not me.

Are you aware of the antics of ribka and co? Seems not, so all the good 'ol American boys are presumed to be innocent as new born lambs, yahooing and back slapping all around.....

We all laughed at you beta Aussies when you enthusiastically turned in your firearms. And no one was surprised when you enthusiastically got the experimental mrna vax, that never worked or was tested, and you cowered in your bed rooms for two years. lol

Hows it goin there in commieland? Bend over and grab your kankles because Im sure you got another f uckin coming from your gov haha

Poor tyke Ribka, I'm sure you'll get better

BumChamp, I bet that's what you say often to your mate Ribka, literally... LOL!!!

Ribka, gunchamp & co seem to be obsessed with the Gay. Not to mention blind to what is going on in their own nation, which they are powerless to change....

There seems to be a lot of this here:

You need to fill it out. Roll up your sleeves and set to work.

All you have to do to appreciate the freedoms we have in the US is to travel to another country and observe the way / where they live, the cars they drive and their gun culture, for better or worse. We have tremendous latitude in almost every aspect of our lives here in the US, sadly, there are many in DC that would like to change that for us. There are certainly things we can do better but our country is diverse in land, people and culture more so than any other country I can think of.

I recently returned from Scotland where I put 772 mile on a rental car seeing the country. My observations reminded me of what we have at home. All of the cars are similar in size and style with some fancier than others but not unlike. Virtually no trucks seen with the exception of a couple Ford Rangers. Most of the cars are in like-new condition, no old clunkers or modded-out rigs and certainly no trucks with jumbo tires about. The drivers I observed were professional, none of the BS you see in a typical day running around town.

Most of the population lives in two major cities, very few own guns or hunt for that matter. All of the private land is owned by roughly 1,100 people so little access for most common folk. Hunting is mainly for population control purposes and the meat can be sold in stores for general consumption.

I can see how this may work for a small country with a long history but we in the US are much different, we began with a country with almost unlimited resources in land and raw materials, what we lacked were people and we eventually solved that problem. I grew up running airboats in the glades, buggies in the cypress and fishing and diving offshore. My trucks, when I was younger, had mud tires and lifts and wouldn't have it any other way (my current Chevy is running factor rubber and not about to change that). I've owned more guns of all varieties than I would ever be able to count, pistols, revolvers, semi-autos, bolt actions, etc. Most have been sold off, I've got more than I can use presently but that's ok.

I'm sure people are generally happy in various parts of the free world where they live but I can't imagine changing my American experience knowing what I know today, just doesn't fit what's important to me. For those who may be critical of our way of thinking, they should be reminded that we have paid with our blood and treasure for a couple hundred years and counting so we may be a beacon of freedom around the world.

I was in Sydney, Glasgow and NW Queensland for about a year. I met only friendly people there. People that diss Australia likely have never been there, I believe.

With the nitwits we have in the executive branch in the good old USA, we don’t have a lot of room to point fingers.

Sure their football is all wrong and they put “beet root” on their hamburgers but there’s a lot of good people, scenery and things to do there. I know that I’d rather has an Australian fighting with me than people from most countries.

OK, I met a cranky guy from New Zealand there, but what the hay.

Look at the reprobates other countries have in office. I am not sure where I’d start pointing fingers. I know that living in the rural area is the best in most countries. I’m blessed to be living in South Dakota, USA. I was offered a job in North West Queensland and that would have been not bad.

Good to see some common sense posts in this forum instead of the childish nonsense that has made up the bulk of the posts. Whether American, Australian, New Zealander, Canadian or Brit"s we are brothers. We have been side by side in many battles and had each others backs and shed our various nation's blood for freedom and to fight oppression around the world for over 100 years. We all come from wonderful, freedom loving countries that have paid dearly in blood for that freedom.

While I'm a country person and have been brought up, hunting and fishing and would never live in a large city or even a very small one, I can appreciate those that like the sort of things that cities provide. Sometimes we forget how lucky we all are because we have the freedom to choose.

Our primary concern, as it should be, is with those who want to try and trample on our democracy for their own ends. It sickens me to see how these people are trying to redefine what a male and a female is and promoting homosexuality to school kids as if it's something to be proud of. Our woke, Prime Minister was asked at a press conference recently, "what is your definition of a woman"?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/amLibEgaqSs Didn't want to upset the so called "rainbow community" in case he lost some votes.

To be blunt?

Numerous folks are acting in ways that their Momma would have beat their ass for.
Or, the didn't have parents who raised them?


Notice I didn't specify which country,
or defend anyone?

So, “What is the every day Gun use in Australia?”

I suppose I’m hijacking the mudslingers needs to post their opinions.

I was referring to the antics of ribka & co and anyone else who slags off. And in case you didn't notice, this is the Australia sub forum....but perhaps you refer to Norway, Brazil or f*cking China?

Hunting, feral control, target shooting....

I was in the gunshop yesterday - there's one 5 minutes away. Being a Friday the place was quite busy. My mate was telling me about the new revolver he's just bought. I'll go to the range later today to check zero on a couple of my rifles. I'll be going hunting deer on public land later in the week, for a few days. There's no closed season and no bag limit. That's more or less everyday gun use here.

When I went to school in Hawaii I had several friends from Australia there. For some unknown reason the Australian girls liked me. I asked one why once she said they just like strong men who acted like men were supposed to. They said I was what they thought yanks were supposed to be. I liked my aussie friends enough I considered moving there for a bit.

However these days I think the aussies are being pushed hard by the globalist leftist movement. Seems like they experiment on them to figure out the best ways to bring us to submission. I also think the smaller town rural aussies are different then their urban ones.

We hired a guy a dozen years ago from Australia to run one of our divisions. I hated that guy. I couldn't stand to here his voice. He was arrogant us he'll, dishonest, cheap, took credit for others work. One of the few people I actively campaigned to get fired at that job. Ultimately he left and stole a bunch of our intellectual property and tried to open a competing business that failed. A year or so later I saw where the FBI had raided his house and found tons of extreme child porn. He evaded them and is still on the run. He was aussie but from the city and a leftist and pure scum of the worst kind. But we have those kind of people in our cities too.

It feels to me like Australia and New Zealand have both moved much further left the last 10 years. It's pretty sad for the people over there that like freedom but it's happening here too.

The guys from the Austrailian agriculture division of the company I worked for used to come over and go to our trade show with the golf division guy. They said they Australian government was putty their farmers through hell basically trying to run them out of business. They also have big trade problems with China.

Bb

I'm off to the range tomorrow to muck around with my 35Rem. The 22 always tags along.

Are you bringing your Glock 19 and Ar15 too ?
or nah ?

What's that smell?

They come in air soft now? No wonder they’re legal

The dumb anti gun Aussie owned again lol

Can you use an AR 10 to hunt deer?

We just got double the stench.

Yeah, Ribka just floated to the surface again

does your .gov allow you to look at pictures of Glocks or is that too scary ?

maybe if you close one eye it'll be only half as scary ?

Pheeew, there's that the stench of rotten mouldy swamp.

SwampTurd and RibkaTurd - the dynamic duo that can't be flushed

Floaters for sure.

Are you guys gaining any ground on the feral cat problem? Between the cats, pigs, camels, rabbit and fox you seem to have an endless supply of varmints to eliminate.

I was really hoping to get the chance to visit when I was working for Peabody. My intern got sent instead. When I was at an Echo Bay/Barrick mine I did work with a really nice guy that was on lone for a year from Kalgoorlie. Still have a shirt I conned him out of. 5

Plenty of ferals in the outback, foxes and cats in the bush, but rabbits were decimated by calicivirus but apparently still to be found in some areas.

LOL!

There's that fishy smell again, it has to be little ribka.

... what is it with the sheep genetics of the Commonwealth colonies? ... Canada is headed down the same road with gun owners bent over with pants down around their ankles waiting for Trudeau to screw them dry

What is it with how the world is going, be it Australia, USA, Canada, Britain, Europe....?

... I was frankly surprised when the Aussis lined up like sheep on shearing day to turn in their guns ... Crocodile Dundee must have been an only child

You lot, hero's that you are, would of course storm the whitehouse, take on the police and military and start a civil war if the same laws were brought in the US. Keyboard hero's, more like it. All tough talk, piss and wind.

Seems like they let Biden steal the election and continue to do nothing about it.

pricedo, you may also be frankly surprised to know that Crocodile Dundee was a fictional character played by Australian comedian/actor Paul Hogan.

If that were the USA, there would be outrage over the black man behind the fence............

The other stuff, hardly a mention..........

Sadly!!!

Aileron

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