#1959977 - 01/22/08 09:52 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Allen:
If you read the article, you'll see that I admit as much right up front. There's no need for this caliber. This is the result of a hobbyist scratching an itch for no other reason other than he wants to and can. No harm, no foul.
(Edited to add: There is no commercial upside intended or expected from this round. Mickey has the reamer if anyone wants to build one, but other than that, I'll be "in the red" on this deal in perpetuity.)
However, I must point out that the .338-.375 Campfire is about as redundant and as much of a waste of time as your favorite caliber (and mine), the .300 Winchester Magnum, was in 1963. At the time we had at least three greats: the .30-06, the .300 H&H Magnum, and the .300 Weatherby Magnum, (plus a slew of other .30s like the Norma, the Gibbs, etc.), and the .300 Winchester added nothing of note to the ballistic mix in this company.
About the only selling point for our favorite round then was that it offered a bit more punch than the .30-06 and the .300 H&H Magnum, and fit into a standard-length action.
Oh yeah, and it had the then-vaunted belt.
About the same argument can be made for the .338-.375 Campfire. It offers a bit more punch than the .338-06 and the .338 Winchester Magnum (especially with 250-grain bullets), and fits in a standard-length action, unlike the 340 Wby, .338 RUM, 338 Lapua, 338-378 Wby.
Oh, and it does away with the no-longer-vaunted belt. 
I don't intend or expect it to take the world by storm, amigo, but it was fun nonetheless, and it has as much basis in "need" or "logic" as any number of other rounds that went on to be quite commercially successful and, in at least in your and my case, even perennial favorites.
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#1960877 - 01/22/08 03:08 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Good post Rick...
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#1960936 - 01/22/08 03:22 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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The whole thing looks like a complete and utter waste of time to me........
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WTF?....You're not exactly the board pragmatist yourself.
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#1960990 - 01/22/08 03:36 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Some people just dont know how to have fun.......and wildcattin is fun.
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#1961332 - 01/22/08 05:38 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Any dissension when it comes to any discussion of any wildcat cartridge is sort of like getting between a dog and his bone. 
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#1965473 - 01/24/08 09:31 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Allen-
If we use the definition of dissension as partisan and contentious quarreling, then it offers little to what should be a recreational endeavor (discussing and learning from one another's experiences.) The fundamental point is that you pissed on Rick's project in a blunt and dismissive fashion. Moreover, you invoked "need" as the criteria for something being worth doing. But none of us "need" to hunt Africa--yet you have devoted much of your life energy to doing so. None of us "need" the refinement of a Echols Legend rifle--even D'Arcy has told me that some of the details are not "needed," he does them simply because he can. They are an expression of his craftsmanship, his knowledge, and his commitment. Rick did this wildcat project for exactly the same reason--because he could.
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#1965494 - 01/24/08 09:38 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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utah708,
You put that very well....
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#1965589 - 01/24/08 10:03 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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utah708,
You put that very well....
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#1965604 - 01/24/08 10:09 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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utah708,
You put that very well....
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#1965608 - 01/24/08 10:10 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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utah708,
You put that very well....
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$bob$ +3 BMT
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#1965742 - 01/24/08 10:56 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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utah708,
You put that very well....
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$bob$ +3 BMT +4
Shall we...?
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#1966418 - 01/24/08 04:05 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Sounds like a stud of an elk killing gun. I for the life of me can't figure out why this isn't the route Ruger itself took, oh well Ruger gives us two new parent cases to mess around with now.
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#1968430 - 01/25/08 09:12 AM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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I know, I'm politically-incorrect, I'm awful, and I'm just an all-around cade for bringing up any sort of common-sense, logistical issues related to this topic. Quite honestly, I despise wildcats and I make no apology for it, especially if said wildcat will accomplish absolutely NOTHING that cannot easily be accomplish with an existing, standard, SAAMI-spec cartridge of the same caliber, which is certainly the case here.
I've been through this sort of discussion many times before, and in a lot of ways, arguing about any wildcat cartridge is a lot like sitting around dissecting a project with brokers, accountants, and pettifoggers: Introduce common-sense objections that defy any of the numbers or the claims, and everyone on the other side of the table is ready to turpentine you and run you out of camp.
There's a monumental, night and day difference between arguing about the performance qualities of a given rifle from a mechanical perspective and the persepective of quality, versus arguing logistics when it comes to cartridge-selection. And anyone who has had lost-ammo/lost rifle problems on the other side of the world, as I have, or has had mechanical issues with rifles, as I have, would easily see where I'm coming from.
But I know, this was all whupped-up in the name of fun & games, etc., so I'll shut up and stay out of it. I should have known better in the first place.......
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#1971427 - 01/26/08 05:16 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Rick....
Nice project. The fast .33's have a great deal to offer. I particularly like that ability to load up or down, depending on the game and range intended.
I have a .330 Dakota, that is still my baby after 8 years. Built on a Dak M97 action with a #3 SS Lothar Walther barrel, 24", cryo-treated, and a Brown Precision stock .... With Talley steel mounts and 1.5x5 Leupold, it weighs 8# 3 oz. I bought 200 cases from Dakota, and hope those will suffice for a long time .... their prices are exorbitant. The all steel bottom metal, w/ no effort to round corners or otherwise save weight, may be replaced with a blind box magazine and a steel trigger guard .... should pare about 5 - 6 oz.s off the weight. All said, it's a very nice rifle.
To the point. What is the water capacity of the .338-.375 case? The .330Dak case holds 97 gr.s, as you know. I'm curious about how close their capacities are.
With my rifle, my best Re-22 load averages 3015 fps with a Barnes XLC 225 ... with sub MOA groups. Recently, I've been hunting moose with Don's favorite H4350 and 230 Failsafe recipe .... averages 2895 fps with excellent accuracy. I'm looking forward to trying the new Hodgdon hybrid powder with 210 gr. and 225 gr. TRX's. Should be a natural for the fast .33's.
I had my .330Dak Magnaported to reduce the muzzle jump; very effective, allowing me to spot my own shots. Also installed a NECG front sight with a fiber optic bead to use with Talley's receiver sight. With the scope removed and the receiver sight on, the rifle weighs 7# flat ... and does have some recoil, but nothing intolerable or distracting. There's nothing and nowhere here in Alaska I wouldn't feel well armed to hunt.
Pics please.
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#1972968 - 01/27/08 12:15 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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I know this is off subject. Is the case length of the .375 ruger or .338-375 2.500"? Is the belt diameter the same as a belted magnum .532"? If so this could be a relatively huge breakthrough in case design. For the joe who wants a beltless magnum that will fit in a standard length magnum action. You wouldn't have to alter the bolt face or anything. A 7mm/.375 or .30/.375 Ruger would be a shorter version of 7mm and 300 ultra without that rebated rim. My understanding is there's already reamers coming out for this 2 chamberings.
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#1973060 - 01/27/08 12:58 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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Allen:
I respect your opinion, and agree with a lot of what you write, although I get the strong sense that if something doesn't make sense or doesn't appeal to you, you assume that it couldn't possibly do so for anyone else. I will only point out that a few months ago, when the RCMs were announced, you wrote:
I don't really care about new cartridges one way or the other, but I think that Ruger screwed up by not offering 300 and 338 cartridges based on the full-length 375 Ruger case.
For a lot of reasons, I hope these new Ruger short-mags prove to be a dismal failure...............
AD
I don't understand the flip-flop, as you obviously saw some worth in the full-length .375 Ruger case necked down to .338 then, and frankly am just going to move on in this discussion to those of us who do find the project worthwhile, or interesting, or fun, or useful, or logical.
I just think you like your calibers and don't see the need for anything else, an opinion I wholly respect and agree with. With a .300 Win Mag (or .30-06), a .375 H&H, and a possibly a .416 in your case, there's not much need for anything else, the entire .338 bore included.
I cede the point.
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#1973088 - 01/27/08 01:09 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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endgameAK:
The case capacity of the .338-.375 Campfire is virtually identical to the .330 Dakota. I had 98 grains and change with new, unfired and necked down brass, and 99 just nigh of 100 grains with once-fired.
Oaktona.
Ya gotta read the article on the homepage.
The case length is 2.590 inches.
The belt diameter AND the head diameter is .532 inches.
And yes, the fact that you can neck the parent .375 Ruger case up or down and use a run-of-the-mill, unmodified standard belted-magnum action is a beautiful thing.
Bolt face, and most especially, feed-rail geometry is spot on, no belt, no rebated rim, and loading, at least in the case of the .338-.375 Campfire, is as easy as running the cases through a neck sizer before loading ... an operation I do with new brass anyway to remove dents and flat spots.
I'll have a range report when the rain lets up. Right now, it's pouring.
rb
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#1973793 - 01/27/08 06:10 PM
Re: Ask Rick Bin Questions About the .338-.375 Campfire
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SKane:
PM me a number, and I'll see if I like it.
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