#1951886 - 01/18/08 08:20 PM
6.5 Creedmoor ?
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GuyM
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Anybody try the 6.5 Creedmoor yet? Is it even avail yet?
https://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=763
Looks like an alternative to the 6.5x47 for target use - and likely does away with the problems some guys have had with the .260 Rem.
Curious... Guy
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#1951912 - 01/18/08 08:31 PM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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I'm not impressed. I can't see where it offers any improvement over rounds in the 6XC, 243, and 6CM class, expecially when those use 107 of 115 grain bullets. As much as I respect Dennis DeMille, Hornady seems to be on a roll bringing out new cartridges with no discernable improvement over old ones.
It won't fit in an AR15, will it?
What problems with the .260 Remington were you referring to?
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#1952446 - 01/19/08 07:29 AM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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Have read about and spoken with a couple of the guys, dissatisfied with the quality of Rem .260 brass, tried necking up very nice Lapua .243 brass and ended up having to do a lot of neck turning etc - not what they wanted to do when loading for a high volume game like highpower.
I'm stuck in the dark ages, happily shooting my .308 match rifle, but strongly considering a 6.5 of some type for a replacement barrel. The .260 remains an option, some of the guys who were running it here have since sold those rifles and barrels. Maybe they just hadn't hit the magic load? A number of local competitors here in Washington turned to the 6.5x47 recently with excellent results so far.
So, just when I'm about to follow along and get myself setup for 6.5x47, out of nowhere comes this 6.5 Creedmoor from Hornady, which looks like another decent option - but other than Hornady's info and a little article from Zak Smith - I haven't seen any info on it. Wondering if anyone here has messed with it yet, since it's so new.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
Regards, Guy
Edited by GuyM (01/19/08 07:36 AM)
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#1952545 - 01/19/08 08:19 AM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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Is Hornady using off the shelf powder for those numbers?
They have a habit of not using them, making it difficult to reach the same numbers.
I'm not a competitor in target shooting but am interested in it, I have a question. If a 28" barrel was used on a 260rem would the velocity be the same as the numbers in Hornadys advert for the 6.5 Creedmoor? I would think they would be. NOT being a smart azz, just very curious.
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#1952613 - 01/19/08 08:50 AM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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Somewhere in all that info I read that Hornady is even publishing the load they used, which I believe was H4350. Yes, a .260 can likely muster the same ballistics. I believe what Hornady is claiming is a superior brass case. Beats me. I'm just reading and learning at this point. Still have a LOT of life left in my .308 Krieger, and have a fresh .30 cal Obermeyer Palma barrel in waiting, so it's not an urgent quest for a new barrel on my part.
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#1952924 - 01/19/08 11:11 AM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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Nosler and Norma make 260 remington brass now. I would be surprised if the Hornady brass were better quality than these two. How do you think the overall quality of Lapua brass compares with both Nosler and Norma?
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#1953139 - 01/19/08 01:08 PM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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gerrygoat - good thought. Perhaps the Nosler & Norma brass will solve whatever problems guys were running into with their .260's.
I use Lapua for my best .308 loads, and Norma for my best .300 WSM loads. Both have proven to be excellent quality brass.
What kind of brass does Black Hills use with their match-grade .260 ammo?
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#1953326 - 01/19/08 03:03 PM
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IMO, Laupa brass is absolutely top notch!; Norma is a very close second. Hornady and Remington are tied in third place.
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#1960320 - 01/22/08 12:11 PM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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Didn't I read somewhere here in the last year suspicions that Norma was making the Nosler brass?
I bought a 6.5x55 (hunting rifle, not match) five years ago instead of the 260 Remington - one reason was that Lapua made brass for it and not the 260.
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#2152748 - 04/16/08 01:03 PM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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If Laupa would turn out .260 brass I think Hornadys new round would sit on the shelf. I was not real pleased with the Remington .260 brass and lost the primer pockets after 3 loads of below max charges.
what I do like about the round is that Hornady is willing to offer factory support for a compedative endevor, Remington has done everything but kill the .260 since its introduction.
Edited by varmintsinc (04/16/08 01:04 PM)
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#2153077 - 04/16/08 04:04 PM
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Guy,
I saw an excellent comparison of the 6.5x47, the creedmore and the .260 somewhere....if I can find a link I will post it. I personally have a fondness for the 6.5x47 case and use it in a couple of variations....6mmx47 and .22x47 as well as the 6.5x47. I like the small primers and the fact that this brass is just tuff.
If your going to run the 123 class of bullets the 6.5x47 will run right with the others granted it is running higher pressures. Even running higher pressures I still can use my brass until the necks needs annealing as the primer pockets just do not ever loosen.
The 6x47 running 115 bergers or dtacs at 3100 doesnt give up anything to the 6.5s at 1K and is as accurate as the 6mmBR IMO. I have heard of some guys fireforming 6x47 brass in the 6xc and having good results, but cant speak from personal experiance.
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#2153191 - 04/16/08 05:21 PM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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Yup. That's one of the articles I read and cited above. Good stuff. Sure has me thinking... I'm not sure which of these cartridges I'm going to try - but the 6.5x47 sure has my attention.
Thanks, Guy
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#2154091 - 04/17/08 07:34 AM
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor ?
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I've never understood why Remington hasn't pushed 260. I've been shooting it for a while and it is superb for both hunting and LR target. I've got a 1:8.5 Hart bbl just waiting for my 308 barrel to burn out.
No doubt that Reminton brass leaves a lot to be desired. I get a few reloads before primer pockets loosen up, and putting a wire into the case, I can feel a line near the case head. I'm going to load up some Norma brass in the next week or two.
Since I hunt with my 260, I am less inclined to chamber for a cartridge that can't be found on a gunshop shelf. I've been known to forget things.
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#2154092 - 04/17/08 07:35 AM
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BTW, anyone done comparisons with 260 AI?
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#2154547 - 04/17/08 12:32 PM
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The AI offers about another 75-100fps if it matters but is still leaves the door open for the issue of crappy brass to start with. Adding or subtracting 100fps is not going to matter, they are all supersonic past 1000.
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#2154815 - 04/17/08 03:35 PM
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I've never understood why Remington hasn't pushed 260. I've been shooting it for a while and it is superb for both hunting and LR target. I've got a 1:8.5 Hart bbl just waiting for my 308 barrel to burn out.
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working to use up my 308 barrel on my F-class stick. Then I'm gonna have to decide between the 6.5x47 lapua, the CM, or the Grendel.
the 260 Rem is out just because of the crappy brass, compared to the others (tho jury's still out on the CM) & I aint gonna pay the toll that Nosler wants either.
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#2243264 - 06/06/08 11:55 PM
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Guy,
that link to the 6.5 shootout article was EXCELLENT!!!!
I have a Rem VLS in 260..excellent target rifle in factor guise..
As the above referenced article pointed out, the difference in performance of the three cartridges was indistinquishable..
the one week point that the other two didn't have, was the poor quality of available brass in the 260 Rem from Remington..
I use 7/08 Winchester brass in my 260 Rem, and then brass is not an issue.. no neck turning needed etc..the Win Brass is high quality etc.. I have used exactly 1 initial bag of Rem's 260 Brass, before switching to 243 Win and then 7/08 Rem with Win Head stamp..
I only quit using 243 as I shoot 243s, but don't shoot 7/08 Rem in anything...
I'd still lean toward the 260, just because it is an American cartridge.. well sort of..I personally have thought the US Military is nuts for not switching to the 260 Rem as a military replacement for the 308...it would sure take care of the range issues the troops complain about in Afghanistan..
If Brass quality is the only main issue, then that is easily solved by using some other brand.. and thank God that 308, 243 and 7/08 cases are available ANYWHERE...
of course I also have target rifles in 6.5 x 55 and also in 6.5 x 57..the latter is my favorite.. just because it is back to sort of being American..as I just neck up 257 Roberts brass from Winchester also for that one.. it is high quality over Rem in that caliber...( same with 6mm Rem caliber)..
however, then Rem gets it head out of its fanny, and produces a lot better 6.5 x 55 brass than Winchester does..plus Rem's 6.5 x 55 brass has a regular .473 case head like an 06, vs the .480 like the European brass.. the .480 may be correct, and performs well in a claw extractor bolt, but with a bolt head like on a Remington, the push feed, the Rem brass is 100% reliable for extraction.. not so with Win and Lapua..
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#2243287 - 06/07/08 12:50 AM
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Just talking to the gunsmith today about my 6.5 f-class project and he recommended going the 7/08 brass route for the 260 Rem. He said to think about the pros & cons of going AI as well.
For his own 6.5 Rem stick he uses .308 Lapua brass and takes the extra step of FL sizing with a 7/08 die. He's using both scenars and Cauteruccio bullets
I'm thinking a 8-twist 27" Lilja 3-groove mated to a 40x action. Still looking for the right used stock for the project.
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#2251251 - 06/11/08 05:25 PM
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However, then Rem gets it head out of its fanny, and produces a lot better 6.5 x 55 brass than Winchester does..plus Rem's 6.5 x 55 brass has a regular .473 case head like an 06, vs the .480 like the European brass.. the .480 may be correct, and performs well in a claw extractor bolt, but with a bolt head like on a Remington, the push feed, the Rem brass is 100% reliable for extraction.. not so with Win and Lapua..
Never thought of using 7mm/08 brass to make 6.5mm/08 (.260 Remington) brass. Happy that someone mentioned it. I also did not know that a Remington 700 short action might have problems with a 6.5x47 Lapua brass. I'll most definitely will have to check that out before I re-barrel. Might have to check out the 6.5x55 round.
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