#2221327 - 05/25/08 07:44 PM
Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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Klikitarik
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This afternoon I was talking to my father in law and realized that I recognized the holster he was carrying an, unusual-for-him, sidearm with. I asked what it was and he pulled it out to show me: a Ruger SP 101 22 LR, a now-discontinued revolver. I recognized the work I had done to the front sight and I asked him where he had gotten it. When he told me - I knew the punk that had sold it to him- I noticed that there was tape on the frame where the serial number is located. Pulling it back, I could see that the someone had attempted to remove the number. There was a lot of duct tape gunk across the number so it is hard to tell how legible it will be, but I'm pretty sure I'll be able to match some of the digits.
The question, now, is what to do. Obviously, I'd like to have my revolver back. Unfortunately, it is now an illegal weapon. I suppose the only positive way to the deal with it is to at least go after the maggot who stole it in the first place. Kind of hard to replace that which is no longer made. Any thoughts?
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#2223396 - 05/27/08 07:33 AM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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#2224462 - 05/27/08 06:15 PM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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Jericho
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I may be wrong, but I believe that when a firearm that has
had the serial numbers removed or disfigured is seized by
the police, you run a chance of the gun having a ballistic
test and not seeing the gun again.
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#2224839 - 05/27/08 10:11 PM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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No possession is worth a disruption of relations with your FIL. You can afford a new firearm more than you can afford that.
I think that removing or disfiguring the serial number of a firearm is a federal offense, but that possession of such a firearm is not. State laws may be different.
Title never passes on stolen goods. Whoever has the gun, or however they got it, they do not have title to it. If it has been disassembled, you still own all the pieces. It does not matter that they paid money in good faith.
In any case, file a police report. Neither you nor your FIL have committed a crime. Let the criminal system do its work.
Getting your gun back, or equivalent cash will usually require a suit in Small Claims Court, though I have seen cases where the judge in the criminal case orders restitution.
Disfiguring a firearm serial number may not draw federal interest, but it might. Suddenly, petty larceny is a federal gun rap.
Edited by denton (05/27/08 10:13 PM)
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#2225307 - 05/28/08 08:42 AM
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I'd let my father-in-law keep the gun, but I'd still prosecute the punk. (if, of course, they let the disfigured revolver stay with your father-in-law after the case is resolved and it is no longer needed as evidence. I refuse to let a thief get away with it if I can do aything about it.)
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#2225369 - 05/28/08 09:12 AM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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I did tell my FIL to keep the revolver - that was the first thing I told him. I also have the good fortune of knowing the "local" trooper long enough that I believe he will treat my FIL as well as the law allows when it comes to possession rights- if there are any. (He is nearing retirement now, but I have known him since he was still in high school- the trooper, that is.)
So, his next trip to the vil may hopefully shed some light on what has happened. I have long-since replaced that revolver with a 38 Special version of the same which serves the same, small game purposes. Perhaps his visit may also provide leads on who has binoculars, a couple of rifles, and various other things which have "left" our home.
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#2229213 - 05/30/08 11:55 AM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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I think you have an obligation to turn the punk in; NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCES of where the property ends up! He stole from you and he stole from your FIL: your FIL bought stolen goods! How long do you want this criminal on the street? When will this punk stop stealing when someone's finally dead because the punk sold it to a killer! And let's say someone dies as a result of his stealing....because you did not turn him in earlier...how you going to live with that!
There is an other option:
confront the thief present the eveidence and see if he will do the right thing if not, tell'em you'll seem him behind bars. You have a witness, you have the property...let him prove himself not guilty!
Under 21 with a handgun Federal concern
A criminal with a firearm a Federal concern...a major concern...
Breaking and entering, burglary...NAIL HIM if it comes to that.
Edited by gunpowder (05/30/08 12:03 PM)
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#2230358 - 05/31/08 12:39 AM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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That's pretty much where I'm at with it. I've had the replacement SP101 for over 2 years now so I know it was awhile back - it doesn't seem that long, but I had no reason to get the 38 while I still had the 22.
The punk who sold it was, that long ago anyway, a "friend" of my stepson's. That's not to say that he was the one who stole it or even defaced the number on it. Either way, whoever took it may have done it while they were visiting.
Who knows; when everything settles, assuming the Troopers do figure something out, it could even be that my stepson may be "eating raven soup with the boys." He's done his share of "borrowing" from me anyway so perhaps he's due for a(nother) lesson. Perhaps the trail will also turn up two rifles that took leave from our bedroom in the past 9 months. Yeah, I know there should be a safe in my home. Well, I now own the second such unit in our little vil. It involved quite a few hours of welding, grinding and cutting - the latter mostly, but it's finally about done: 1/4" plate all-around and probably 600-700 pounds. It'll keep the minor miscreants from appearing dishonest I'm sure.
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#2232885 - 06/01/08 02:53 PM
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you might want to talk to your stepson before you contact the law.
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#2236893 - 06/03/08 03:40 PM
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you might want to talk to your stepson before you contact the law.
Why and let him know he'd better dump the guns before the heat inspects his house?
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#2258302 - 06/15/08 10:02 PM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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Oh, he's had plenty of time to offer an honest report if he so chooses. And "his house" is with us. He lives with us only because I am willing to honor the goodwill that my wife offers him. Further, it would cost me a lot more to leave, if it came to that, than it would him. So, as the least of many reasons, I am not going that way either. He is not smart enough not to get pinched at some point if it comes down to that so I am sure he will "get his" if that is the way the chips roll.
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#2269099 - 06/22/08 12:56 PM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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About thirty years ago an African American waste of air stole a Tram SSB eleven meter Radio out of my car. He also made the mistake of selling the radio to another Rubber in the area. The radio was one of only fifteen in the area and all of the others were accounted for. Luckily I got the radio back and I spread his name out amongst the CB community that he was a common thief and that anyone who dealt with him should know about his background. As a result he became persa non grata amongst the local CB'ers.
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#2269110 - 06/22/08 01:07 PM
Re: Stolen revolver recovered: serial # disfigured
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About thirty years ago an African American waste of air stole a Tram SSB eleven meter Radio out of my car. He also made the mistake of selling the radio to another Rubber in the area. The radio was one of only fifteen in the area and all of the others were accounted for. Luckily I got the radio back and I spread his name out amongst the CB community that he was a common thief and that anyone who dealt with him should know about his background. As a result he became persa non grata amongst the local CB'ers.
Can't hang with the CB'ers any more? I am all for punishing criminals, but is that too high a price?
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#2269460 - 06/22/08 04:39 PM
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THAT was funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#2269972 - 06/22/08 09:25 PM
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About thirty years ago an African American waste of air stole a Tram SSB eleven meter Radio out of my car. He also made the mistake of selling the radio to another Rubber in the area. The radio was one of only fifteen in the area and all of the others were accounted for. Luckily I got the radio back and I spread his name out amongst the CB community that he was a common thief and that anyone who dealt with him should know about his background. As a result he became persa non grata amongst the local CB'ers. Can't hang with the CB'ers any more? I am all for punishing criminals, but is that too high a price?
Nope, not when you break into my car and steal a $250.00 Radio. The Low Life got exactly what he deserved. The only thing on the upside for him is he didn't go to prision for the theft. That's one thing I won't stand for some Low Life stealing my property he's real lucky I didn't catch him in the act or I would have unloaded a load of buck shot up his ash.
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