#2272216 - 06/24/08 08:03 AM
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SAKO75
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I know the short answer is they both work ...
Given the choice for an all-around load in 308win would you take the AB or BT in 150 or 165?
I'm guessing the answer is whatever your rifle shoots best...
I guess my specific questions were these
1) At short range like 50 yards or less, which is common in the southeast depending on terrain, will the AB expand provide the quick kills that the BT does when shooting through the lungs?
2) the opposite end of that is when shooting through both shoulders, wiull the BT exit 90-100% of the time like the AB?
My gun liked 165 BT's better than 150 AB's. I am planning on trying the 165 AB's just because, loading them to the same specs as the BT. I have a feeling the BT will provide slightly "quicker" kills on average but is less friendly on inopportune angles/distances?
I dropped 4 with a 150 AB in 2006 and they all ran, none were DRT, but they all went 50 yards or less....none were double shoulder shots...
Thoughts?
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#2272240 - 06/24/08 08:22 AM
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The opposite end of that is when shooting through both shoulders, wiull the BT exit 90-100% of the time like the AB?
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#2272475 - 06/24/08 10:20 AM
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Sako75,
I've loaded the 150 NABs in 30-06, 308, 300WM, 300WSM, and 300SAUM. I've also loaded the 165NBTs in those carts. That said, most of those were load developement for other's guns. I have taken and witnessed animals taken with the 150NAB and 165NBT in 300WM and 30-06. The variance in ranges should level the comparison to the 308. One thing I've noticed about the NAB is that it seems to give similar performance as a NPT as in it usually expands rapidly and gives good initial trauma, but the shank punches through leaving a small exit much like the NPT. The NBT on the other hand, seems to leave larger exits at close range and normal cup-n-core type exits at longer range(read larger than NPT type exits). That's nothing scientific, just some observances on game. I feel the 165 NBT leaving the 308 at a MV around 2700 is a perfect combination for medium game. I also feel the 150 NAB is a good combo in the 308. That said, it's a close one and I would base my choice solely on the accuracy achieved by both bullets in a given rifle.
I personally do not feel the 165 NBT is too expansive in the 308 nor do I feel the 150 NAB is too tough in the 308. Given the same accuracy, I would probably pick the NBT.
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#2272518 - 06/24/08 10:44 AM
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Any words of wisdom on the 150 NBT out of the 308?
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#2272553 - 06/24/08 11:00 AM
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I shot some 150BT's out of a 18.5" 308 this weekend. 48gr of either Varget or W748 gave decent accuracy and 2700+fps. Shot a cute and fuzzy varmint with it also; she came unhinged. Killed quite a few deer with that bullet over the years and haven't been let down yet.
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#2272570 - 06/24/08 11:08 AM
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I can't imagine wanting to shoot through both shoulders with a 150 BT, way better choices for that style of shooting.
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#2272588 - 06/24/08 11:17 AM
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I shot 3 whitetails through the shoulders with said bullet last year (3150fps/300SAUM). All penetrated, all critters collapsed (60 to 300yds). I will allow that I'd rather have something tougher for a hard quartering away shot, just for assurance on an exit.
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#2272598 - 06/24/08 11:21 AM
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I hate waste of meat, won't shoot shoulders, BUT I have run 165 BTs through my 18 inch 308 tube and they pleasantly surprise me, little damage IE no handgrenades and the animals run a bit, but not hard to find.
I"d think it wouldn't really matter much, so long as the impact speed is slow enough. Thats for my tastes anyway. FWIW most 308 kills of mine have been with 168 bthps.....
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Edited by rost495 (06/24/08 11:22 AM)
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#2272621 - 06/24/08 11:36 AM
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I have used the 150 BT on well over a dozen whitetail in the 309 JDJ, which is basically a necked down 444 marlin. Velocity was right at 2,500 fps. Maybe I got early batches, but the explosive effect and exit holes on quite a few of them would have to be seen to be believed. It ain't my first choice for a bone breaker.
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#2272640 - 06/24/08 11:50 AM
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I've used some of the early BT's, and they were soft indeed.
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#2273911 - 06/25/08 06:15 AM
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I would pick whichever bullet was the most accurate of the two. At 50 yards or less, either bullet will expand plenty enough to kill a deer. For ranges that short, I'd probrably go with a regular ole soft point bullet.
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#2274066 - 06/25/08 07:10 AM
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I have been shooting the 150 grain BT out of my 7x57 for a while. All bullets have exited and done a bunch of damage. Every deer hit has dropped though no shoulders have been hit and I hope not to hit any. I recently ordered some 160 grain Accubonds but havent loaded any of them yet.
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#2285947 - 07/01/08 07:28 AM
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May sound capricious to some, but I shoot BT's for deer and AB's for hogs.
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#2286316 - 07/01/08 12:03 PM
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May sound capricious to some, but I shoot BT's for deer and AB's for hogs.
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Capricious? I'd say 'sensible.'
Was I picking one weight I'd start with 165's.
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#2290737 - 07/03/08 06:11 PM
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It isn't the bullet, it is the velocity you use them at...
under 2700 fps the ballistic tip is at its best, down to about 1500n fps...
the Accubond is best within 3000 to 2000 fps...
this is regardless of bullet weight, but the heavier the bullet weight, it will give you a little more penetration capability..
but each bullet will open well enough to be lethal on a white tail.. this is regardless of caliber....
over 3000 fps down to about 2200 fps, then the partition is the better choice...regardless of caliber..
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#2293574 - 07/05/08 11:59 AM
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good points
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#2294409 - 07/06/08 12:04 AM
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You did say "all around load" in your initial post, but then this on the deer forum... so I am wondering if the load might also be used for non-deer game?
At any rate, I personally wouldn't sweat it too much from a killing perspective (on deer), but I'd chose the Accubond from a meat-wasting perspective and plus I like that little extra insurance of the bonded core. Just a nice... bonus to get with an otherwise excellent bullet in every other way (price, availability, accuracy, etc).
In fact, the 165-gn Accubond is the load I am using in my 30-06. I killed a nice buck with a 180 AB, but in the spirit of messing with success, have dropped down to the 165-gn because my 30-06 isn't in my elk rifle battery anymore.
I say use the 165-gn Accubond if your rifle likes it. Then you also are well set for bear or hogs or elk.
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#2294417 - 07/06/08 02:14 AM
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Get rapid expansion AND reliable penetration......shoot a Partition.
Picking an AB or BT for short range shooting of any big game animal makes little sense to me at all.These are the distances where you are most likely to have a problem due to high impact velocity.Makes sense to me to use a tougher bullet at closer distances.And if your shot comes at longer distances, the Partition will handle those shots as well.
Edited by BobinNH (07/06/08 02:20 AM)
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#2294429 - 07/06/08 03:47 AM
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I have a 308 but have'nt shot any deer with it, maybe this year. I have a friend that has used one for 30 years in the northeast. He always used 180 gr. corelokt's or powerpoint's. Kills 'em dead.
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#2294663 - 07/06/08 08:37 AM
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I have used both BTs and ABs in several cartridges (.257 AI, .270, 7mm-08, .280, and .338-06)at moderate velocities. For deer, I prefer either the ABs or Partitions--the BTs kill just as well but ruin more meat with a any kind of a torso hit. I now use the BTs only for culling or meat hunting where I can take neck shots. They are excellent for this purpose.
I have taken a fair number of feral hogs with both bullets during "control" hunts and both kill even big hogs reliably.
For the hunter that gets only a few opportunites each season, I strongly recommend upgrading to a bonded or partition bullet. It's true that many hunters effectively take game each year using cup and core bullets, but I have seen too many instances of poor bullet performance to use them myself.
My 2 cents worth....
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