#2289285 - 07/02/08 09:22 PM
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Kcoyboy
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Any one had any bad experience with Burris? I have a variety of different scopes including of cource Leuopold down to the lowly Simmons. Just mounted a Burris on a new rifle which I was getting good results from reloads just with iron sights. Put a fullfield 2 made in Philipines on this rifle and I cannot get a decent group at 50 yds. Also the eyepiece front of the lens seems to move reticle when I put pressure sideways and up and down. The optics are very clear and clean however. Again any bad vibes on these scopes?
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#2289619 - 07/03/08 07:01 AM
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I have a FFII in 3-9x40 on a little Brno ZKW465 .22 Hornet. The rifle shoots five shots well under 3/4 moa with that scope, and the optics are clear and bright. I'm very happy with it.
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#2289627 - 07/03/08 07:06 AM
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Any one had any bad experience with Burris?
This ought to get good, LOL.
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#2289632 - 07/03/08 07:08 AM
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kcoyboy, just curious. Are the rings lapped -and how tightly are they screwed down. Sounds like it might be over tightened. Take it out of the rings adn check it out -see if the same thing happens. A good tip on mounting is to add a little silicon to the rings. It helps hold the scope in place, acts as a buffer, and keeps the scope from getting scratches and ring marks. I have a Burris 6x40 fixed and am well pleased with it.
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#2289667 - 07/03/08 07:30 AM
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I've owned 2 of the FFIIs w/o a problem and still own one 3-9x40 that's sitting on a bedded Savage 30-06 and achieving groups below MOA with ease.
I don't feel they are the best scopes by any means, but feel they are pretty good for their price. Seem to be durable scopes with descent glass.
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#2291193 - 07/03/08 10:29 PM
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Hey Yall are going to get a good laugh out of me !! Ive never lapped scope rings, I use the cheapest rings I could find used to be tasco aluminum ones!! . However I also get moa groups on a lot of my rifles ( I own quite a few) I have a 700 BDL 223 that will shoot 3 shots in a dime at 200 yds on a good day. Of course I reload!! No hbar barrel or bedded stock either by the way. I tighten the rings snug but not overly. When the rifle is tight on a sandbag at the range the eyepiece (front of scope) The reticle shouldnt move when the eyepiece is pulled on right to left. At least this doesnt happen even on my lowly simmons but it happens with this burris When this happened to one of my cheap bushnell scopes years ago I sent it back and they fixed it for free and no more movement still use the scope by the way.
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#2291218 - 07/03/08 11:00 PM
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If you think it's broke send it back. Fullfields have a good reputation.
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#2291610 - 07/04/08 07:39 AM
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For what it's worth, I've had a Burris Fullfield 6-18x with plex reticle since 1997. Won it in a gun rights fundraising raffle. It was on a 25-06 until 2003 when it got transferred to a 22-250. Been on the 22-250 ever since. No problems with it on either gun. I always use quality rings and am very fussy about proper mounting. I took it off the 25-06 when I replaced it with a Leupold Vari-X II 6-18x. The Leupold has better optical quality and is probably more rugged, but I still can't complain about the Burris too much. It's turned out to be a real good combination for a 22-250 varmint rifle.
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#2291705 - 07/04/08 08:34 AM
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I had one FFII go bad and sent it back. I had the BP reticle and they sent it back with the duplex. So I had to send it back again. That was 6 years ago and havent had a problem since.
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#2291881 - 07/04/08 09:47 AM
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I have a number of Burris scopes on my rifles and have been very pleased with them all. I do have have a 3-12x44 that had trash in it from the factory. Sent it back to have it removed. Took forever and a day. Received it after too much time to find the trash still in place. Decided that the trash did not affect the scope and given Burris poor customer service performance I left it as is. Burris customer services does lack in satifaction. But, I am in the process of getting a new Burris Timberline. Hope it is as good as the other Burris scopes that I own.
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#2291908 - 07/04/08 09:59 AM
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I have more than a dozen Burris scopes, old fullfields, New FFIIs Sig series. I own a few leupolds, a pair of Nikons, a bushnell elite and a sightron. The burris probably make up 75% of all scope usage I have. I ended up with so many burris scopes, largely with a bad experince with a Leupold very early on. (which now with 25 years of Leupold and experince was just bad fortune that one went [bleep] up early on)
I think they are as reliable as the scopes they compete against. Rifleman to VXIII, Buckmaster, Monarch and Bushnell elite series. I have had one fail in 20 years (2x7 old fullfield) and it was fixed free by Burris.. it just took a week or two more than it would have with a Leupold I have sent leupolds back three times.. great service there and thinking about sending one with a very stiff power ring in now.
For a bunch of years I was a Burris Slut, but now I compare the scope cost/weight/size/eyerelief/clarity and brightness and choose the one I like for that application. Burris like many other companies has scopes that are very nice and other models that I could do without. I saw a new FFII 3x9x40 on that fleabay for $139 the other day.. very nice deal for someone on a budget.
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#2292051 - 07/04/08 11:22 AM
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Kcoyboy,
I used to use only Burris. My son-in-law used only Burris. My friend used only Burris. After several failures, I switched to Tasco and others. I have not had any more failures on a Rifle.
An couple esamples:
4-12X Fulfield, lenses rattled loose before ten shots with my .375-.416 Rem Mag. Installed a 4-16X Tasco
8-32X Signature, three times to the repair shop for not holding good groups. I varified the Savage .223 was not the problem by putting a Tasco on and shooting .312" with five shots at 100 yards. Installed a 6-24X Weaver
2 1/2-8X Hand gun, blured before the first box of shells went through my .454. When it was returned, it didn't last ten shots. Installed a 2 1/2-8 Leupie.
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#2292123 - 07/04/08 11:59 AM
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Hey Yall are going to get a good laugh out of me !! Ive never lapped scope rings
Since buying all the rifles and optics lately I lap everyone with only one exception. I used a set oif rings for a new rifle that had been previously lapped for another rifle......figured I would try them and see what would happen. Aluminum rings take little time to lap. The hardest I have found are the factory Ruger rings. I've done about 6 sets this year and they are harder because they suck from the factory and they are steel!
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#2292821 - 07/04/08 08:59 PM
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I should know Ive been reloading and shooting all my life! What exactly is accomplished with lapping? Do you get a better firmer grip on the scope? Can the rings be so out of line that the scope can be twisted? Can the scope be damaged? Even my 300 weatherby doest come loose or my 308 semi auto. Again just using cheap alum rings. Saw a lapping tool at brownells anyone remember the cost? thanks everyone for the advise this is a great forum good shooting to all the campfire members. Yall have a good one I live in Kentucky. Im guessing that most of you guys are from the West? KC
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#2293207 - 07/05/08 07:10 AM
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Your rings can be out of alignment. I just recently lapped a set of Burris Xtreme rings. The tops were good. the bottoms of both rings were off. I never thought much of lapping rings till I saw how much some rings were off.
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#2293286 - 07/05/08 08:02 AM
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I should know Ive been reloading and shooting all my life! What exactly is accomplished with lapping? Do you get a better firmer grip on the scope? Can the rings be so out of line that the scope can be twisted? Can the scope be damaged? Even my 300 weatherby doest come loose or my 308 semi auto. Again just using cheap alum rings. Saw a lapping tool at brownells anyone remember the cost? thanks everyone for the advise this is a great forum good shooting to all the campfire members. Yall have a good one I live in Kentucky. Im guessing that most of you guys are from the West? KC
Sometimes, but IMO in very few cases, lapping may not be necessary. But I always do it. I had a Magnum Research Lone Eagle Pistol that when the rings were tightened the scope power ring refused to turn............that much bind was placed on the tube. Lapping cured this.
For the little time spent and the few dollars it costs why not lap the rings???
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#2293503 - 07/05/08 10:49 AM
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Seven years ago I was planning on setting myself up to lap rings, 'cause like you said; it's only a little time and a few dollars. I probably mount 2 or 3 scopes yearly between my stuff and stuff for friends. One of my buddies suggested that I get a set of scope alignment rods from Brownell's to see if I would actually NEED to lap a set of rings. So I did; and after 7 years averaging 2 or 3 scopes a year I still haven't run into a case where lapping was necessary. I'm not knocking lapping; I know a guy that ran into an alignment problem that was cured by lapping. When I run into that problem I'm gonna order the lapping stuff. It's just that on the mounting jobs that I've done since I got the alignment rings I've been able to verify that everything is lined up straight ring-wise before mounting the scope. The peace of mind is worth it.
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#2293846 - 07/05/08 03:40 PM
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Go buy a set of Burris Signature Posi Align rings, and don't worry about lapping. It's the only ring i ever use now and they hold up to some heavy kickers on specialty pistols just fine.
Had a problem with 1 of my Burris scopes once--it was a 3-12X LER scope on a big handgun. For the life of me i couldn't beat 1.5 MOA no matter what--but it was consistent. 1 day i was at the range trying to null it all out, and decided to check parallax--sure enuf it was about 1.5 MOA. I adjusted as much of it out as possible then and shot a 3/4 MOA gp., and it cured my problems. Might check it at least before sending it in.
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#2293928 - 07/05/08 04:36 PM
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Kcoyboy - the Burris inserts do eliminate the need (real or perceived) for lapping. What the heck though, get the lapping kit and see what it is all about. Its cheap and even a no confidence goof like I can do it! The one thing you will notice when lapping is that the paint removed by the process is seldom even. If rings were perfect there would be no ridges on the ends and the paint would come off uniformly. Go ahead and lap! Then use a little bit of silicon (clear caulk)on them, let that set a few minutes and mount your scope with confidence- but more importantly, a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction. BTW - you are dead on, you want as much, smooth, contact between scope and rings as possible.
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#2293930 - 07/05/08 04:38 PM
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Kcoyboy - the Burris inserts do eliminate the need (real or perceived) for lapping. What the heck though, get the lapping kit and see what it is all about. Its cheap and even a no confidence goof like I can do it! The one thing you will notice when lapping is that the paint removed by the process is seldom even. If rings were perfect there would be no ridges on the ends and the paint would come off uniformly. Go ahead and lap! Then use a little bit of silicon (clear caulk)on them, let that set a few minutes and mount your scope with confidence- but more importantly, a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction. BTW - you are dead on, you want as much, smooth, contact between scope and rings as possible.
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