If it ain't EXPRESSLY established in the Constitution, it's against the Constitution, and needs to be abolished.

What do you think when you hear the term "limited government"? How does one define "limited government"?

Now I know in Barak's mind that means no government for anything and there are are others on the other side who think the government should do everything.

Actually, to me "limited government" doesn't mean "no government for anything." It means "big government in its earlier stages."

If there were any realistic way of keeping limited government limited, I'd have very little to argue about, other than the driest of political theory, with folks like The_Real_Hawkeye.

But there isn't.

Oh, I AM anarchist, and heaven knows I need all the crap-taking practice I can get.

But one reason I'm an anarchist is that I don't believe limited government is sustainable.

Dang Barak I'm going to have to agree with you.

Don't let it go to your head!!!

If it ain't EXPRESSLY established in the Constitution, it's against the Constitution, and needs to be abolished.

The problem then is, what does the interstate commerce clause REALLY mean? How about the general welfare clause? How do you know that's what they mean? Why is your interpretation superior to Justice Breyer's or Barbra Streisand's?

The fundamental problem is not something about the State that's malfunctioning: it's just doing what States do, getting bigger and more powerful and more oppressive until its host tears it off and squashes it, at which point it will probably be replaced by another and the process will repeat. Getting angry at the State for doing that, or at politicians for supporting it, is like getting angry at fish for swimming.

The fundamental problem is specifically with the Constitution itself and generally with the idea that a piece of paper can act as an obstacle to a State with the power to tax and legislate.

And the solution is to privatize not just law enforcement, but law itself. But this is a discussion of limited government, not anarchism, so I'll shut up.

Do it in your town, convince them to privatize, then tell us about it.

It's clear that you don't yet understand some of the fundamental tenets of anarchism. That's not meant as an insult, just a statement of fact. I'd be happy to explain them to you, but on another thread, not this one. I have a bad reputation for hijacking threads around here, and I'm trying to mitigate it a bit.