#2349496 - 08/03/08 06:12 PM
Bench shooting a 94
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A Winchester model 94AE that I have has always given me fits when shooting it from the bench. The rifle has a Williams receiver sight and a blade front sight on a 24" barrel. From field positions the rifle shoots as well as any of my other metalic sighted rifles, but from the bench recently three five shot groups averaged 4.0". The groups opened up vertically. I've tried various techniques I've heard of for lever actions, live pushing the lever up to the sand bags or holding the forewood in my hand with the hand on the sand bag, but nothing improves. Another 94 in .32 Winchester Special and a Marlin in .30-30 don't have this problem. How do you guys work around this problem?
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#2349807 - 08/03/08 08:30 PM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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On my Winchester '94s and Marlin '93s and '94s, I rest the front of the action on the front bag (not a mechanical rest, and not touching the lever) and rest the butt stock on the rear bag just in front of the toe. I squeeze the rear bag to adjust for elevation and windage. This gives me the best results. FWIW...
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#2349991 - 08/03/08 10:47 PM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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On my Winchester '94s and Marlin '93s and '94s, I rest the front of the action on the front bag (not a mechanical rest, and not touching the lever) and rest the butt stock on the rear bag just in front of the toe. I squeeze the rear bag to adjust for elevation and windage. This gives me the best results. FWIW...
Exactly how I do it.
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#2350108 - 08/04/08 04:45 AM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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On my Winchester '94s and Marlin '93s and '94s, I rest the front of the action on the front bag (not a mechanical rest, and not touching the lever) and rest the butt stock on the rear bag just in front of the toe. I squeeze the rear bag to adjust for elevation and windage. This gives me the best results. FWIW... Exactly how I do it.
Make that three! That the same method I use. One other thing, 94s are like pretty girls, some like to be held tight and some do not. Changes in cheek pressure on the stock can cause groups to open up. Changes in hand pressure on the grip and lever area will do the same. You cannot apply different pressures in the field nearly as easily as you can on the bench. A hard front rest (block of wood) will cause group changes, use something softer (sand bag or bean bag) because hard rest will change recoil patterns thus groups. And NEVER allow the barrel to touch anything while shooting - anytime, bench or field. I see shooters rest the barrel on a log or fence post when field shooting, that will change the impact point, a little or a lot depending on the rest object and shooters pressure.
The bench can be a whole new world of shooting.
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#2350454 - 08/04/08 08:45 AM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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Thanks guys, I'll have to see what I can work out. I don't use a rear bag, just my left hand in place of one.
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#2350923 - 08/04/08 12:45 PM
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I never let the gun touch anything but my body parts (hands/shoulder), and hold the rifle tightly downward and back, while using sandbag rests.
This is a typical 100yd group from my .356 BB94 w/factory ammo
(the target rings are 1" apart):
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#2352304 - 08/05/08 05:17 AM
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Good grouping for a hunting rifle shot as a hunting rifle and not a bench gun. Pin point accuracy is not needed in a 200 yard hunting rifle, and yes, it will take game a lot further than 200 yds. but most shots will be less.
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#2358192 - 08/07/08 08:38 PM
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Chris Brice
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Try different ammo. The 94 trapper I used to have (never should of sold it) would hold 1" groups using reloads. 125 spear hollow points back by H4895 powder. The 125's were for coyotes.
CB
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#2363545 - 08/11/08 05:11 AM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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Your problem has me baffled.
Holding you hand under the stock,on the front rest,should give you a solid platform.
Vertical groups,suggest that your front(forend)support is at fault.Be sure that the pressure point,between the forend and the front rest is the SAME place,every time.
Good luck
Frank
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#2363566 - 08/11/08 05:31 AM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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I'm thinking it might be barrel band tension on the forend. Maybe the screw in the band is too tight????
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#2368864 - 08/13/08 05:26 PM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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Because of how well it shoots standing, sitting etc. I think it is a technique problem, not a rifle problem. I've checked the screws for anything obviously fubar, but all looks well.
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#2368963 - 08/13/08 06:22 PM
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Check this out, from the Levergun forum
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/chapter23.htm
I haven't tried it, but I'm awfully tempted...
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#2370227 - 08/14/08 11:44 AM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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To start with its a AE and thats not good IMO...Most Winchester 94s will either shoot or they won't, if they won't dump them and buy another one that will, its cheaper in the long run..I hate a persnikity gun! 
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#2402169 - 08/29/08 11:28 PM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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Glass bedding a 94 forend is the best way to get them to shoot real well, most will shoot an inch..be sure and bed the buttstock with a bead of glass and to use a rolled up magazine cover in the magazine area to keep the glass out of the magazine slot when glassing the forend..then trim it up and put it back together.
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#2439123 - 09/16/08 04:22 PM
Re: Bench shooting a 94
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The go-to answer for vertical stringing is usually technique; i.e. poor breath control while firing. If that's not the case, then I've found my .375 Win. BB94 shoots best if I put the fore-end on a bag, or similar, but still grab it and actually pull DOWN on it. For some reason, she likes this.
Scott
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