#2417486 - 09/06/08 03:29 PM
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Max 223 load & work up to FF cases....I burn 27.5/Benchmark in my 223 AI w/Nosler 55 moly BTs...safe in my Pac Nor barrel..12 twist nets 3500 fps..
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#2417803 - 09/06/08 06:38 PM
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I like 25 grains. It's not as fast but seems really accurate in several rifles. I don't have a chrono but most of the reloading manuals put it an average of 3000 ft. a second depending on barrel length. kwg
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#2418480 - 09/07/08 06:34 AM
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I use 26.0 grains of Benchmark with 50 and 52 grain bullets in my varmint rifles. Tried them in a friends AR and they worked great in it, too.
H335 is very dirty so I do not use it anymore. There are others powders that are just as good or better that are much cleaner.
Before some of you unload on me read what I said. I said, it is very dirty, I did NOT say it is not accurate. IMHO it is obsolete.
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#2438241 - 09/16/08 09:34 AM
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JDBLEDSOE: I am going to be using H 335 for "a while longer" in my 223's!
I know a couple of posters here have had "mishaps" while using H 335 in their Rifles but among the fellows I know personally, and I know HOW they reload, H 335 works exceedingly well and reliably for us.
Just ONE example of tons of H 335 shooting I have done with the regular old 223 is this one: January before last on a dead calm and very cold day, I took my then newish Remington XR-100 in caliber 223 Remington to a friends private range. I was doing load development (second day of development) with H 335 powder that day.
I fired a group (5 shots at 100 yards) measuring .121" using H 335 powder, LaPua brass, Berger 52 gr. MEF bullets and Federal 205M (match) primers!
That is the smallest group I have ever fired with an all factory stock non-40X Rifle! I have been firing groups for 46+ years now by the way.
I immediately followed that group up with another group (5 shots at 100 yards) that measured .326"!
Yeah, H 335 certainly IS an accurate powder - I fully agree with you on that point!
H 335 powder has been a reliable and easy to work with powder for me for many decades now!
I personally have NOT noticed any "dirtiness" with it that impedes ANYTHING, I want to do with my Rifles!
Are you saying that H 335 makes your Rifle so dirty that it impedes its "function" somehow?
Or are you saying H 335 will somehow dirty a barrel thus affecting accuracy "faster" than other powders will? If you ARE saying that then I will strongly disagree ("unload on you") with you on that point.
I Hunt Prairie Dogs a lot and have run up to 100 rounds of H 335 ammo through some of my 223 bolt action Varmint Rifles while afield, without noticing any significant loss of accuracy!
Normally I shoot my 223's 60 or 80 rounds before setting them aside until they are cleaned - but sometimes I walk about (get far from the VarmintMobile and its stores of fresh arms and ammunition) with my Varminters and one of my 223's is often chosen for this duty.
I am not saying that H 335 is THE most accurate powder for anyones 223's - BUT, I would NOT be surprised if it would be!
Based on my extensive usage of the powder you are denigrating, I firmly disagree with you!
H 335 powder is NOT obsolete.
You have officially been "unloaded on"!
I have some stores of H 335 powder loaded 223 ammunition (and other calibers as well!) that I AM going to use up - despite 2 warnings from posters on this forum regarding "unexplainable mishaps" while using H 335.
Once I use up that ammo I will need to re-evaluate my use of it.
But again based on decades of my own use and that of many handloader/Varminters I know, and know HOW they load, I probably am going to keep using it.
Again, H 335 "obsolete" - I think not.
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#2438296 - 09/16/08 10:03 AM
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I've run 100's of rounds of 223 ammo through my rem 700 w/o cleaning using H-335, and fired my best group after firing all those rounds. 5 shots under 1/2" at 100 shooting prone. The only reason I cleaned the bore is the gun got soaked on a deer hunt and I ended up getting a little bit of rust in the bore.
So long as my accuracy doesn't go south, I don't clean. I wouldn't be suprised if that was 500 rounds in the m-700.
I've also loaded a few hundred rounds for my ar using H-335, and will see how that gums up the gun. It's already had 100 or so rounds of RL-12 loads through it.
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#2438341 - 09/16/08 10:22 AM
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I do know that h335 soils the guts of my AR more than varget for example.
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#2438501 - 09/16/08 11:30 AM
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458 Lott
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After I make some more empties, I'll have to work up a loads between H-335 and Varget in the AR-15 using 50 v-max and 52 a-max. Likely they'll work equally well.
I suppose I should do the same with the rem 700, but 26 gr H-335, 50 v-max works so well I'm loathe to change.
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#2438522 - 09/16/08 11:41 AM
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Well Varmint Guy knows how I feel about H 335 as a powder.. accurate or not, I stay away from it after having a COUPLE of incidents where a load pressure spiked...
that not withstanding, as far as a powder being dirty...
that is something that never really has bothered me..
barrels getting dirty out in use, is about the same as Boy Scouts getting dirty at summer camp...I tell them to go take a bath and change their clothes.. not caring whether they already had one or two baths for the day..
when out shooting sage rats, getting a dirty barrel means either running a bore snake down the barrel, ( which I frequently do without oil on it... as I lube the bore only when I am done shooting.. so I don't have to do some fouling shots to get it back in line).. I think the bore snake is one of the spiffiest gizmos a varmint shooter can have with him..
if you don't have a bore snake, then just run a couple of dry patches down the bore and and you don't have such a dirty bore any more...
so that is why I could care less if the bore gets dirty.. I only care if it is causing the accuracy to go out the window..
a bore snake or dry patch down the barrel has always solved the problem for me quickly...
besides, I don't shoot an AR fast and furious or my bolt guns either...
Guess it is all perspective for each of us..
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#2439344 - 09/16/08 06:08 PM
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TooDogs: My question is - does use of H 335 powder stop or impede your semi-auto Rifle from firing at some point?
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#2439370 - 09/16/08 06:20 PM
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Seafire: I can't speak for my friends (as to their volumes of useage) but I have fired at least 20,000 rounds of munitions loaded with H 335 loads (never a one of them being an over book load - mind you!) over the past several decades, with not even one pressure event occurring.
If I am able to find a powder as cheap and as accurate and as safe as H 335 when I have run my present stocks of loaded munitions through my guns I will definitely look hard at changing my loads.
I have no "loyalty" to H 335 or its parent company what so ever - but I do hate to go through the load development "search" AGAIN, for several of my Rifles, that currently use H 335 powder!
I would rather be 1,000% safe than sorry though.
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P.S.: I guess I am going to have to bother the folks at Hodgdon's with a direct inquiry to them regarding yours and anyone else's "un-explained pressure spike incidents" with H 335 powder - I am having a premonition though, as to the direction their answer will point me!
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#2439844 - 09/17/08 02:09 AM
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TooDogs: My question is - does use of H 335 powder stop or impede your semi-auto Rifle from firing at some point?
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no it does not. it does provide great accuracy for my loads w/52/53 bullets as well as 60 gr sierra varminter & 60 nosler bt.
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#2442241 - 09/18/08 03:29 AM
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How about a burn-off between H335 & TAC? I have used H335 now I use TAC.
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#2442814 - 09/18/08 10:02 AM
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TooDogs: It's just that the H 335 takes longer or more effort to clean your Rifles action/mechanisms then?
Thanks for the reply.
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#2442839 - 09/18/08 10:24 AM
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not longer nor more effort. more shop rags used though. I use a mineral spirits flush & brush to wash the bolt carrier, lower trigger guts, and inside upper into a pan. Blow 'spirits out w/air having flushed parts held in a bunch of rags. Clean the bore as any other rifle. I do blow air through gas tube from end inside upper.
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#2443537 - 09/18/08 04:35 PM
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Well I ran about 150 rounds through the ar yesterday, all H-335 loads with about 1/2 dozen different bullets. All fed and went bang. The upper really wasn't that dirty, I shot some lube in at the end of the range session. I figure with ~300 rounds through the bore it's broken in and I'll give it a good scrubbing, then work up some loads.
I wouldn't be the least suprised to run 500 rds of H-335 loads through an AR w/o a hickup.
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#2444954 - 09/19/08 10:07 AM
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I've run tens of thousands of 50gr. V-Max's out of my BM's pushed along by H335 without any incidents so described. Specific lots of powder do vary, as do primers and bullets.......so who knows, but I've personally not had any H335 problems when pressures weren't exceeded.
That's why I buy every component in large quantities after my initial load development. Purchasing 100 lbs. of a specific varmint powder with the same lot# isn't a good idea, it's a damn good idea.
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