#2415194 - 09/05/08 01:17 PM
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stumpman
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I don't know much about Trap and was wondering what is the purpose of the tall rib you see on most Trap guns?
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#2415296 - 09/05/08 02:04 PM
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trap guns are set up to shoot high. Most have a 70/30 point of impact.
The tall rib is so that you do not have to hold your head down which puts a strain on the neck. With the high rib, you should be able to lay your head against the comb and be looking down the barrel without "tucking" your head.
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#2415544 - 09/05/08 04:25 PM
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Thanks!
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#2416536 - 09/06/08 06:26 AM
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another advantage of the tall ribs is to keep your line of sight above the heat wave distortion that can be a distraction
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#2416863 - 09/06/08 09:37 AM
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I don't know much about Trap and was wondering what is the purpose of the tall rib you see on most Trap guns?
I prefer a flatter shooting trap gun so I have my SKB set for 55/45.. I tried to get used to a Perazzi TM-1 Special that was set for 70/30 and while it was great at 16 yards, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 27 or further.. Sold it..
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#2416867 - 09/06/08 09:39 AM
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And comfort, to reduce fatigue. Shooting a round of trap is no big deal at all. Winning a tournament means a lot of shooting which heats up the barrel (as cowpoke mentioned), and beats your shoulder. This allows them to put the butt of the gun squarely in the pocket of the shoulder for minimal recoil fatigue, and not have to put their heads down and forward, so they can keep their neck and sholder muscles pretty much neutral, which minimizes shooter fatigue over a long tournament.
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#2417886 - 09/06/08 07:27 PM
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Thanks for the info I have another question What is the deal with setting it to 70/30 or whatever? The reasoon I am asking is my son just enrolled in a 4H shooting sports club that teaches them all sorts of things....... he will be on the range team that gets to shoot 2 weeks a month at the local club, They start them out shooting trap. We have shot skeet and sporting clays but never tried Trap. Thanks again for all the info.
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#2417922 - 09/06/08 07:46 PM
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You get to keep your head up vs. pushing it down into the stock as well.
The "drop" in the stock is what moves your pattern high or low.
With a field gun (even with a center bead) you only see on bead (they line up) and you "cover the bird" or aim dead at it.
With a trap gun if the stock drop is right you see the center bead just below the front bead. If you put the bird ontop of the front bead it's dust.
Other good things -
You need to see the bird as it raises - can't do that if you have to cover it up with a field gun.
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#2418287 - 09/07/08 02:01 AM
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4-H Shooting Sports really varies from club to club. Here we focus on youth personal development and just having fun rather than competition (of course safety first). Now if a shooter wants to develop competitive skills we encourage it 100% but we want all the kids to feel welcome. A trap gun isn't required, here at least, and we see everything that you can imagine, except real trap guns, and we have a few shooting near 25 straight. One senior I've been coaching consistently shoots 22-24 with an 1100, if only I could get him to focus on just the next shot rather than the "magic" 25! We're expecting a good showing at the state meet coming up soon, but see that as gravy to the overall objectives of the program. But then the cost of shells can be a problem for some in this area, much more so dedicated trap guns.
So I guess what I mean to say is a good field gun THAT FITS is fine to start out unless competition is a serious objective. We're happy if the kids bring shotguns that come close to fitting, or use the club gun that fits. Young shooters with light break-action 12 ga. single shots are almost painful to watch. Think I'd be flinching after 25 too.
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#2418378 - 09/07/08 05:25 AM
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4-H Shooting Sports really varies from club to club. Here we focus on youth personal development and just having fun rather than competition (of course safety first). Now if a shooter wants to develop competitive skills we encourage it 100% but we want all the kids to feel welcome. A trap gun isn't required, here at least, and we see everything that you can imagine, except real trap guns, and we have a few shooting near 25 straight. One senior I've been coaching consistently shoots 22-24 with an 1100, if only I could get him to focus on just the next shot rather than the "magic" 25! We're expecting a good showing at the state meet coming up soon, but see that as gravy to the overall objectives of the program. But then the cost of shells can be a problem for some in this area, much more so dedicated trap guns.
So I guess what I mean to say is a good field gun THAT FITS is fine to start out unless competition is a serious objective. We're happy if the kids bring shotguns that come close to fitting, or use the club gun that fits. Young shooters with light break-action 12 ga. single shots are almost painful to watch. Think I'd be flinching after 25 too.
My son now shoots a Browning gold youth model 20ga when we dove hunt and shoot skeet that is what he will be using for now and until he gets good with it. I am just trying to learn as much about the sport and the guns as I can. I think it's an awsome thing you and the rest of the 4H instructors are doing and applaud y'all for spending your time to teach these youngsters about gun safety and everything that goes along with it. My son has been hunting and shooting since he was a small fellow but we are fortunate to live where he can do so in the yard at least for now. Keep up the good work with these kids it will pay off in there future.
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#2419777 - 09/07/08 06:36 PM
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Thanks, it's fun. Here's some info on our club that may be helpful for one starting up.
For club guns we have five Remington 1100's, two 20 ga. youth models and three standard 12 ga. Also a 28 ga. pump which technically belongs to the other instructor and an individually donated single shot .410. The 20's see the most use, would like to trade a 12 for another. Most kids want to use their own shotgun by the time they're ready for a full-sized 12.
The 1100's were acquired before I got involved so I don't know all the details. They were acquired through the state Game, Fish & Parks to access Pittman Robinson Act funds we sportsman been paying into since 1937, with additional funds from local private charitable trusts and individual donations. Semi-autos were controversial, as I understand, but I've become convinced they were the best choice. Reduced felt recoil makes a BIG difference with new shooters, and flinch can still be a problem. With one shell at a time safety is actually enhanced as the action locks open automatically. Kids tend to forget.
The local sportsman's club donates trap time and clay pigeons. Operating funds come mainly from local private charitable trusts (shared with the archery program) and is enough to allow the club to partially underwrite shells which helps a lot with some families. Don't overlook this source of funding, stressing youth development and safety in the application.
We haven't had much luck getting help from major manufacturers though I'm not sure it's been pressed hard enough.
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#2419943 - 09/07/08 07:25 PM
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Another question I see some of the better Trap guns being only single barrels what is the deal with that is it a one shot at a time sport?
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#2420527 - 09/08/08 05:03 AM
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yes, except for a seperate game called, "Trap Doubles". Which as the name implies, requires two shots.
There are three basic games in trap.
1) singles, which are shot from the 16 yrd line
2) handicap, which is shot from about the 20 yrd line back to the 27 yrd line. (The better you are, the futher back you go. Once again, that is why it is called handicap)
3) doubles, where they throw 2 targets at the same time and you must try and break them both.
There are other trap games, such as bunker trap, wobble trap, international trap, just to name a few.
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#2420560 - 09/08/08 05:19 AM
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Doubles is a blast, the kids usually cajole us into setting the trap machine for doubles for the last round of the day. More fun if there's an empty station and we talk one of the parents into shooting 
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#2420616 - 09/08/08 05:59 AM
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..... and not have to put their heads down and forward, so they can keep their neck and sholder muscles pretty much neutral, which minimizes shooter fatigue over a long tournament.
One other thing to consider if shooting in long tournaments; going to a light load.. I've begun using 7/8 oz loads at speeds between 1150-1175 and have found them very easy on the shoulder while also providing a superior pattern at the 16 yard line.. Since going to this particular load, I've been smoking more birds and running higher scores.. An added plus is much cheaper reloading costs over the standard 1 1/8oz @ 1200..
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#2421401 - 09/08/08 12:02 PM
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I thought it was a given that their heads would still be aligned with the rib of the gun.
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