#2484113 - 10/07/08 06:20 PM
hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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petemacmahon
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I set out to dupicate your efforts with the 200 grain Barnes triple-shock and Ramshot TAC. Didn't get too far. Got the Federal 215 "Magnum" primers, as you listed - but they just don't want to fit in the primer pocket of Winchester brass?! I can get about 50% of them in, but the rest actually start de-forming. In the last batch of 358s I loaded up two years ago used CCI 200 large rifle primers. They fit just fine in this same set of brass.
Did you have any of the same issues? Would you see any issues using regular primers with Ramshot TAC? - or is this something you have not tried or would not recomend. You didn't list any other primers, and their velocities, in your final table that you published - even though your joice of words "By the end of the test, Federal 215 "Magnum" primers were used in all the handloads." gives me indication that you did at first try others.
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Pete MacMahon
PS: I wondered why I didn't see your normal column, on the final pages of the last Handloader I got. You had a good sense of humor and a good nose for BS. I'm going to miss your writing.
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#2484169 - 10/07/08 06:46 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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I had a problem with a recent batch of 358 Winchester brass seating primers. I run CCI-200's and they were tight as a nun's, well you know.
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#2484424 - 10/07/08 08:17 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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I didn't have any problems seating 215's in .358 brass, but I purchased the brass a couple of years ago, and the primers maybe 4-5 years ago. So I don't know what the problem might be. CCI 200's will certainly make TAC go bang, but I have generally gotten better accuracy with hotter primers. You certainly might get fine results with 200's.
Glad you like the articles. My writing will still be around, just in different places.
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#2484506 - 10/07/08 08:48 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Pete,
Try measuring your primers. I have found CCI primers to be a bit larger than some others. In fact, they are what I go to when my primers start to seat too easily. I can generally get one or two more firings out of my brass before the pockets are just too far stretched. Most primers mic at .210" but CCI's are running about .211". Hope this helps.
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#2484516 - 10/07/08 08:51 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Pete didn't have a problem with CCI's. Brass I had on hand from a few years ago also primed just fine.
Must be something with the new run of brass from Winchester
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#2484632 - 10/07/08 09:43 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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SH,
Sorry, I misread Pete's post. I slapped myself.
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#2484657 - 10/07/08 09:55 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Federal primers are rare as hen's teeth around here. How bad would it be to use CCI magnums instead?
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#2484683 - 10/07/08 10:17 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Heck, .358 brass can be as rare as hens teeth! Just resize .308 brass with a GOOD lubricant for the neck... I don't ever remember having any trouble with ANY .308-->.358 brass, ever.
Well... except Cavim...
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#2484873 - 10/08/08 04:28 AM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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TAC is a ball powder and most ball powders work work better with magnum primers.
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#2485026 - 10/08/08 06:02 AM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Is there a place on the Web that this article is located? I have not subscribed to Handloader and even if I did I would not have access to the .358 article, as it was in the August issue...any help would be appreciated.
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Northerner
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#2485170 - 10/08/08 07:09 AM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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pabucktail,
I used Fed. 215's because that's what Ramshot used in their .338 Federal loads with TAC--and my experience suggested 215's would probably work with the .358 as well.
There would be no reason not to use CCI 250's. In fact, contrary to popular belief, they are a little hotter than 215's.
Another good primer to try with ball powders in smaller cases is the Winchester WLR, is as it is about the hottest of "standard" primers.
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#2485404 - 10/08/08 09:10 AM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Thanks. That's interesting about the WLR's. They've been marginally more accurate in some of my '06 loads over the CCIs.
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#2485434 - 10/08/08 09:24 AM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Pete,
Tho' individual experiences may vary, It has been my experience that Federal primers are slightly larger in diameter than others. (Tho' the specs are the same, I believe.) I have found that Federal primers work better in Federal cases. In W-W, or R-P cases, W-W, Remington, or CCI primers work better at least until cases have been fired 5-8 times. Then use the Federal primers, if you wish.
Even in once-fired Federal cases, I have found other brands of primers to have a loose fit. Yet Federal primers are generally tight.
As always, your mileage may vary.....
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#2485806 - 10/08/08 01:12 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Thanks guys! Hmm... I'll see if I can russle up some CCI 250s. WLRs, I think I may have some of them on hand.
I'll give them a try and report my findings.
// Pete
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#2486181 - 10/08/08 05:31 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Just remember, I've had problems with CCI's in the recent batch of 358 brass, but that seems to be overlooked.
Good luck.
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#2487535 - 10/09/08 07:53 AM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Steelhead, I've been using resized nickled remington .308 brass and haven't had any issues seating primers. They also look pimpy and don't get so crusty when one is around salt water.
FWIW, the only combo I've used in my .375 is federal brass with CCI magnums and they've always seated just fine. Also, for some reason, the Lee priming tool I use specifically recommends against using federal primers.
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#2490945 - 10/10/08 06:29 PM
Re: hey JB - about that 358 article in Handloader #254 August 2008
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Northerner, if you haven't come up with a copy of the article, I could e-mail a PDF file of the entire issue. Let me know, if interested.
Joe E
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