#2486044 - 10/08/08 04:11 PM
What is the best chambering avalible for a BPCR?
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I am looking, and have been for a while, my big problem is of the chamberings avalable what is the best one? 45-70 is pretty standard, then comes the 45-90,45-100,45-110,45-120, then 45-75, and the 50's 50-70,50-90 all the way up to 50-140 but I have been told thet the 50-140 is a real mean bear and not really worth the extra powder. Then you can go down to 38-55. I am looking for a long range rifle for target, elk and maybe a buffalo eventually. So what is the verdict, I may be able to raise 2000 to 2500 bucks so I am mainly looking at imports.Cimmaron ect.
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#2486104 - 10/08/08 04:58 PM
Re: What is the best chambering avalible for a BPCR?
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bd, the chambering depends on what you are going to have as the primary use. The big 45's like the 45-110 and 120 (which was never a factory chambering) are super big game hunting cartridges. Same for 50-90 and above. All the others are dual use. If you want the least expensive, 45-70 is the king. It will do anything you want it to do in N.America from tasty big critters to paper and iron targets.
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#2486106 - 10/08/08 04:59 PM
Re: What is the best chambering avalible for a BPCR?
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Added:the long range effectiveness actually depends on using a LONG heavy bullet in whatever caliber you choose.
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#2486185 - 10/08/08 05:33 PM
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There is no best. None at all.
But if you want my opinion - and you did ask - the .45-90 is pretty hard to beat. It is generally considerably better than a .45-70 for Creedmoor shooting though a 70 can be made to work.
Anything more than a 90 is really more than necessary. But that doesn't mean you might not like it more. I rather like my .45-100.
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#2486193 - 10/08/08 05:36 PM
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There is no best. None at all.
But if you want my opinion - and you did ask - the .45-90 is pretty hard to beat. It is generally considerably better than a .45-70 for Creedmoor shooting though a 70 can be made to work.
Anything more than a 90 is really more than necessary. But that doesn't mean you might not like it more. =
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#2486239 - 10/08/08 05:54 PM
Re: What is the best chambering avalible for a BPCR?
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What ET and Brent said. A .45-70 will do it all, but the most popular for long range target shooting out to 1000 yards is the .45-90.
The .45-110 is a great long range cartridge, but generally not recommended for a new BPCR shooter. Takes some effort to make it work well. Some serious long range target shooters use it, but mostly in very heavy rifles, 15 pounds or more. Consider that the cumulative effect of repeated firing under match conditions makes a 110 impractical in a lighter gun. Think about 100 rounds of trap with a 12 ga. magnum. Lighter .45-110s are pretty much for hunting and informal target shooting.
I really like my .45-90. Believe me, it has all the power anyone would ever need. ET is right on about heavy bullets.
There is nothing wrong with a quality Italian-made rifle from a good importer. That means Pedersoli, and they build or supply components for other companies as well. There are certain realities about BPCR replicas that some folks don't seem to want to accept, that have to do with a market segment that appeals to novelty, nostalgia, coolness, etc.; eye-appeal at the expense of function. You get what you pay for. In your stated price range you are close to a Shiloh or C. Sharps basic model. It's the bells and whistles having nothing to do with function that rack the price up on such guns. Be sure to budget for good sights, meaning quality for your intended purpose. You don't need a match type vernier tang sight if you don't plan to shoot competition where you have to constantly change settings.
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Edited by Paul39 (10/09/08 02:09 AM)
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#2486253 - 10/08/08 06:01 PM
Re: What is the best chambering avalible for a BPCR?
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Paul, we have to keep in mind that after the initial expense of the rifle, a 45-70 has absolutely the best support system. Cases available anywhere, fairly economical of powder,GOEX likely has us (me) on their Christmas card list and I don't shoot comp.. bullets....well....I hope he likes casting his own.
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#2486271 - 10/08/08 06:09 PM
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Yep. I couldn't agree more 
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#2486965 - 10/08/08 11:11 PM
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I got into this only a year or so ago, but did a lot of reading. Any will work as it just takes some load and bullet tinkering. Most advise that 110's and 20's deliver some serious recoil that can be tough on a recreational shooter. I settled on a 45-90, and while I've yet to truly crank it up with heavy slugs and seriously compressed loads, it is fun and pleasant to shoot.
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#2487993 - 10/09/08 11:36 AM
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Agree with Brent,no such critter as "best"
If strictly hunting the 45-110 pretty tough to beat, but the cost of brass, and the punisment it deals in recoil, might take it out of the "best" class for the target games.
45-70 is perfectly capable of doing both, and brass is everywhere and not terribly expensive. Recoil is plenty tolerable, and doesn't require a 14 lb gun to make it manageable for a days shooting. When a 530 gr bullet from a 45-70 and a45-110 cross the 1000 yd mark, there's only 32 fps difference.
The 45-90 makes a pretty good compromise round as its not so big that loading it down with 70 or so grs powder isn't out of the question and jamming 90 grs in isn't that big of a deal. Brass is the biggest bugaboo, at around a buck a pop, but using strictly bp loads it'll last a looooong time.
In your stated price range, I urge you to do some seriuos price comparison. Cimmarons web site shows the cost of its 74's a bit higher than the basic Shiloh or C Sharps. Shiloh you might have to wait a while to get a rifle, but they do from time to time have rifles on the rack with no place to call home. A phone call can be money well spent. C Sharps has a pretty fair number of rifles available most of the time, and if they don't have something you want 90 days will take care of all but the most demanding of added engraving. Also keep an eye on Gunbroker apparently theres a plenty of folks ordered up Shilohs and CSA's and then decided they don't love them no more.
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#2488166 - 10/09/08 01:10 PM
Re: What is the best chambering avalible for a BPCR?
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Thanks for the replies I have one rifle under very seriouse consideration right now in 50-100, I was also leaning towards a 45-90 based on my prior research. I have a Marlin 1895 CB but I am loading pretty stout for it 405 Grain cast GC bullets at 1600 FPS and 300 GHrain Rem JHPs at around 1800 so I am not wanting a potentially weaker action in the same chamber to have to keep track of ammo for. Thats one reason I was wanting somthing that would be obviously differant. Longer 45 or 50 Cal.
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#2488751 - 10/09/08 06:19 PM
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BD, I load my 45-110 with 105gr FFG Express GOEX and a 535 grain paper patched bullet that chronographs 1400 FPS with a spread of 15FPS from high to low in a 10 shot string. This is a rifle that is 130 years old. That is a helluva stout load in anyones book. The 45-90 will give you fine performance. As to a 405 gr 1600 fps 45-70 load in a modern replica, you are easily in safe range.
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#2493851 - 10/11/08 09:51 PM
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blinddog1:
Some folks, including Mike Venturino, have reported good results in BPCR Silhouette matches using .40-70 Government (reformed .45-70 case) and carefully cast 400 grain bullets driven by about 65 grains of suitable black powder. I have no personal experience with the round.
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#2493948 - 10/11/08 11:21 PM
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Not much I can add to the great advice already given. The 45-70 is awfully hard to beat. I've got a Pedersoli and really like it. I don't think you'd want to go with one that's cheaper. It sounds to me like you could afford one of the American guns if you wanted it. I used to have an original Conversion Carbine in 50-70 and it was a nice little gun too. You could probably get one of those for the money you've got-but it isn't really the type of gun you're talking about. If availability of ammo is not that much a concern to you and you reload, I believe I'd go with the 45-90.
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#2494148 - 10/12/08 06:21 AM
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blinddog1:
Some folks, including Mike Venturino, have reported good results in BPCR Silhouette matches using .40-70 Government (reformed .45-70 case) and carefully cast 400 grain bullets driven by about 65 grains of suitable black powder. I have no personal experience with the round.
I'm not sure what round you're referring to. There may be a .40-70 Government, but I've never heard of it, and certainly not in silhouette competition.
A very popular cartridge is the .40-65, which a necked down (tapered, no shoulder) .45-70. Less popular but also a good round is the .40-70 Sharps Straight, which is something else altogether. I think this is the one Venturino talks about. There are two slightly different versions, one based on .30-40 Krag cases and the other formed from .405 Winchester brass.
Another .40, and the one I shoot, is the .40-82 Silhouette. It is essentially a necked down .45-90, sort of a long .40-65. In fact, after first FL case forming in a .40-82 die, I do all my reloading with .40-65 dies.
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Edited by Paul39 (10/12/08 09:47 AM)
Edit Reason: Corrected .45-65 to .40-65
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#2502752 - 10/15/08 06:15 PM
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I will likely be struck by lightning for this, but I have a TERRIBLE hankering for a 44-90!!! Probly the most difficult cartridge to find brass for that is correct, and it is legendary to screw with one's head trying to get one to shoot well. WHY ME????!!
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#2506242 - 10/17/08 08:10 AM
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I'd like to have an original 44-77. Probably because they were the first real Buffalo Rifle after the 45-70 and the 50-70 in the Springfields and Remingtons. If I remember right, Billy Dixon really made his famous shot with a Sharps in this caliber. He supposedly borrowed it for the fight at the Walls after having lost his own Big Fifty in a flash flood.
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#2506657 - 10/17/08 10:48 AM
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Hmm, I believe he used a 50-90. Sellers indicates as much. Lemme have a bit of fun and dig deeper. I love this chit!!!!
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