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#418928 - 01/24/05 09:41 AM Kimber M84 woes
Fireform Offline
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Registered: 01/04/05
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Just to let people know that all is not skittles and beer in the world of Kimber owners...

I just bought a M84 Montana in .260 Rem and loaded up a batch of handloads to start developing from. Ten different handloads were prepared in new Remington brass using 100gr partitions, 125gr partitions and Sierra 140gr SPBTs. Powders were IMR4350, IMR and H4831, RL19 and H1000. Seating depths were all close to 2.75-2.78. Scope was a known Leupold VXIII 2.5-8 in properly installed Leupold rings and Kimber bases. Shooting conditions were perfect--dead calm and 70-75 degrees. Groups of five shots each at 100 yards were fired over 20 minute intervals, and the barrel allowed to cool completely between groups. Velocities were high and in some cases exceptionally uniform (s.d. of less than 10fps), and pressures moderate to moderately high with neatly flattened but not cratered WLR primers. The barrel did not foul with any of the bullets.

Best group of the day was 2.5" for 5 shots, running up to 4", and a solid majority were over 3". My target looked like I had shot it with buckshot by the end of the day.

Wow. The trigger letoff is a heavenly 2lbs. The rifle is tightly seated to the bedding, the scope mount is correctly installed, and I know how to shoot. I've got four other rifles in the safe that routinely shoot 1/2 moa with my handloads. There is nothing obviously wrong with the crowning of the rifle or anything else, except that the bolt head sits rather loosely in the lockup and may not be engaging evenly. There is nothing systematic in the groups that I can see to suggest a cause--no linear stringing in any particular direction--and the barrel appears to be amply floated back to the breech swell.

I'm stumped. I'm sending the gun back to Kimber to see whether they can figure it out. Any ideas from the readership?

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#418929 - 01/24/05 10:06 AM Re: Kimber M84 woes
Big Stick Offline
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Registered: 01/25/01
Posts: 36265
Loc: Paradise,Alaska
I'd take her apart and reconfirm that all fasteners are tightened in accordance.

Then I'd shoot Re-15 and 95gr V-Max,to establish a baseline...............
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#418930 - 01/24/05 10:30 AM Re: Kimber M84 woes
khuntd Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 76
Loc: Austin, Texas
Fireform,

This happen to a customer at my local gunshop. The gunshop sent the rifle back to Kimber. Whatever they did, the gun came back shooting around an inch.
I'd try and send it back.
Good luck!
khuntd

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#418931 - 01/24/05 11:37 AM Re: Kimber M84 woes
RipSnort Offline
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Registered: 11/23/03
Posts: 1628
I'd bet that they just screwed on another barrel. RS

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#418932 - 01/24/05 12:01 PM Re: Kimber M84 woes
Fireform Offline
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Registered: 01/04/05
Posts: 254
Quote:

Fireform,

This happen to a customer at my local gunshop. The gunshop sent the rifle back to Kimber. Whatever they did, the gun came back shooting around an inch.
I'd try and send it back.
Good luck!
khuntd




That's what I'm hoping for. I spoke with the Kimber custom shop, and they told me to send it in. They also imparted an interesting bit of information that I almost forgot to mention: the FAQ on their webpage implies that their centerfires are test fired for accuracy, but the guy at the custom shop told me that that is not so. They are checked for feed and function, but no accuracy firing is done.

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#418933 - 01/24/05 03:20 PM Re: Kimber M84 woes
djpaintless Offline
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Registered: 03/26/04
Posts: 6653
Loc: Oklahoma, USA
My buddy had a Kimber 22-250 that was shooting in the 1 1/2 inch range. Kimber asked him to sent in in. It came back recrowned and now shoots sub 1/2 MOA. Be glad that you own a Kimber instead of a Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Dakota etc. They would just tell you that 3" groups were acceptable hunting accuracy. Kimber actually cares to make their rifles shoot well........DJ
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#418934 - 01/24/05 03:49 PM Re: Kimber M84 woes
DougD Offline
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Registered: 11/20/04
Posts: 565
Loc: Minnesota
I have a 84 Classic in 7-08 that shoots way beyond what I would have ever hoped for. Always under 1/2" if I do my part, with just about anything fed through. Youngest brother same rifle in 308 and the results were less than impressive. The rifle was sent back at their request, when she retuned what a difference. Kimber does seem to care, what a marvel in todays market place.
Doug D

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#418935 - 01/24/05 03:59 PM Re: Kimber M84 woes
Big Stick Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 01/25/01
Posts: 36265
Loc: Paradise,Alaska
I think my next factory rifle,is gonna be a Kimber Montana,for my daughter..........................
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#418936 - 01/24/05 04:23 PM Re: Kimber M84 woes
tomk Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 03/15/04
Posts: 3670
Loc: Michigan
Same experience. They fix and send them back all better, better than expected. A 7-08 that likes every load thus far. It does shoot 1/2" groups.

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#418937 - 01/24/05 04:30 PM Re: Kimber M84 woes
Fireform Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 01/04/05
Posts: 254
Any manufacturer is going to let one slip from time to time. The test is whether they stand behind their product or not. I'll post back here when it comes back from the factory and let you know how it goes. It's such a sweet little rifle, ideal for my needs in a walking whitetail/hog and even turkey gun if it shoots up to its potential, so I really hope this works out. I hunt on a ranch lease where shots can range anywhere from 15 to 400 yards, so accuracy counts.

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