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#537177 - 07/28/05 Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
AussieGunWriter Offline
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What is the longest/deepest penetration you ever got from an expanding bullet?
What was the animal taken?
What was the bullet/cartridge/load used?
Were you happy with the result?

I would like you to supply the information and then highlight something to you later on about it all. I already know the answer, but it will mean more to you if I base the result on your info.
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#537178 - 07/28/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
southtexas Offline
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About 3 years ago, took a mature buck at 160 yards, almost head on. The 125gr partition, from a 264 hit the buck in the point of the left shoulder and he dropped like a rock. When I got to him, I noticed a small bump on the skin of his right rump. Cut the skin open and a beautifully mushroomed bullet fell in my hand. Can't ask for much better performance than that.

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#537179 - 07/28/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
Yukoner Offline
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A moose, going almost straight away, at about 150 yds. It had been wounded by a hunter I was guiding.

Bullet entered just beside the anus and was recovered under the hide in front of the opposite shoulder.

300 gr Nosler partition from a 375 H&H.

Ted

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#537180 - 07/28/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
SU35 Offline
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Was hunting bull elk in AZ a few years back. I used a 300 win mag loaded with 200 grain NP's zero'd for 300 yards.

Spotted a bull on a hillside that I knew was aways over there.
Got a good rest turned my scope to 12 x and
set the horizontal hair on the bulls back and touched off, bullet
hit 3 feet below of where he was standing. I then set the top
point of the bottom plex on the bulls back and touched off.
It dropped him and it dropped the small cow behind him, the one I couldnt see. One shot, one bullet, two dead elk, complete penetration on both animals.

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#537181 - 07/28/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
JimF Offline
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Possibly not the answer you are looking for but, long ago and far away..........

Hunting elk and deer on Dworschack (sp.) reservoir in Id. Hunting partner and I were bumbling back to camp in near darkness. A good sized 4x4 bull got up in front of us maybe 75 yds out and stopped. Partner hit him in the right rear ham and bullet exited far left shoulder. Missed bone in the rear, broke bone going out. Bullet then passed through a 6" sapling and continued on........presumably stopped by the dam some miles away.

30-06 220 gr Rem Core Lokt. Factory velocity. High SD, fairly low impact velocity, tough bullet.

JimF

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#537182 - 07/28/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
2ndwind Offline
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The longest penetration I have gotten was with a 168 grain barnes X bullet fired from a 308. It entered near the front right shoulder. The shot was taken at about 160 yards. Somehow, the bullet appeared to have deflected inside the deer. It took a hard left-hand turn, went through the body cavity and ended up breaking the left rear leg and stop just under the skin. That dear managed to run over 200 yards before it finally piled up. I have no explanation for how the bullet veered off course once it entered the deer. It was definitely not a bang flop shot.

I've been ambivalent about using X bullets on deer size games since then. I spoke with a technician at Barnes today about using the new triple X bullets on deer sized game. He told me that their newest bullets have been engineered to expand sooner, oftentimes with in the first inch of penetration. He said that he had recently been shooting jack rabbits with them and reported that they were expanding well on them.

I just started tinkering with a box of 100 gr grain triple X bullets in my 25-06. They look like they're going to shoot accurately from my rifle but even after carefully following the instructions to go one or two grains above the maximum listed load for plain Barne's bullets, I'm still about 150 fps slower than the velocities that Barnes lists. I believe I will try them out on a few ground hogs and crows first before I decide whether or not to point them at a long-range deer this year.

Back to the penetration thing. The most impressive shot, I've taken involved a 180 grain trophy bonded bear claw bullet from a 30- 06. I made a two for one shot at about 150 yards on two mature Whitetail does. The first one dropped at the shot, while the ones standing behind her made it about 30 yards before piling up. I found the perfectly expanded bullet just inside the far side of her chest cavity.
John
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#537183 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
HunterJim Offline
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OzGunScribe,

I am expecting it to be a Nosler Partition. I have several stories about same and game shot with the .375"/300 grain Partition.

One sticks out though, a warthog that I did a "corner to corner" shot, right hip to left shoulder through a lot of spine. Multiple feet of penetration, but I didn't measure the wound track.

Also a Texas heat shot on a mountain reedbuck (of all things) with a .308"/180 grain Winchester FailSafe that got parts of the hip,spine and shoulder. I actually recovered that bullet and it weighs 180.1 gr.

I was more than satisfied with those.

jim
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#537184 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
macrabbit Offline
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Loc: C. Calif
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a Texas heat shot



Is this a Freudian slip that proves that to a Texan matters of the heart are just matters of being in heat?

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#537185 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
rost495 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 38335
Loc: La Grange, TX
Sent a client to Africa with a 416 Rem mag and rounds I loaded with 400X. Shot the usual array including Eland and Oryx. Those two largest happened to be the south end of northbound animals and one X was recovered under the skin in the throat area. After soaking and brushing to remove excess material we have a bullet that weighs 400.2 grains. Both shots were a bit over 200 yards according the the PH. The other was same results, but complete pass through.

My personal results on larger game are Nilgai. Started them with my 300 and another 2 folks had 7 Rem Mags. All started with non X bullets. The two 7 mags were fired at over 250 yards broadside and both bullets were under the opposite skin, no shoulder hit. Both folks using 175 Partitions. I was using a 180 Partition in 300 Wtby. Shot was 180 yards in the rump. Did not penetrate past the hips but shattered both hips really bad.

Then switched to X bullets for the next trips. Have not recovered a bullet in a Nilgai since then, yet the other 2 folks with 7s and Partitions rarely penetrated totally. And lets no even laugh about my broadside contender 30-30 rounds with factory 170s. Under 100 yards on Nilgai. Never hit a bone other than a rib. Managed to fire 7 witnessed rounds before he fell over. Some of these bullets never made it to the ribs on the other side.

Jeff
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#537186 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
logcutter Offline
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Loc: Central Idaho
As of late,The 45-70 with a 300 Barnes XFN on Elk.It went in just in front of the left rear leg and penetrated the rest of the body and exited through the right from quarter.The ole 45-70 with the new velocities it can achieve and the good bullets like Barnes/Nosler/North Fork/Woodleigh/Swift A-Frame and the Kodiak,make it better than ever.

Jayco

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#537187 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
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Loc: at Grandma's house...
"What is the longest/deepest penetration you ever got from an expanding bullet?"

After skinning I took a string and made an effort to accurately measure the amount of distance travelled by the 400 grain Hornady. To the best of memory, the bullet travelled 51-55 inches. It took the brown bear in the chest and ended up lodged against the bruin's rear leg bone...just below the hip.

"What was the animal taken?"

Brown Bear...8'2" on the square

"What was the bullet/cartridge/load used?"

400 grn. Hornady RN in .416 Taylor with enough Reloader 15 to achieve 2,350 fps. Since the bear was shot at 5 paces, the projectile had little opportunity to slow until it hit the bear.


"Were you happy with the result?"

In a word...damn straight! (ok...so it was two words! )
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#537188 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
VAnimrod Offline
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Longest penetration on an expanding bullet? For me? Muzzleloader shot using a T/C Maxi-Hunter, .50 caliber, 470 gr. HP, backed by 100 grs. of 777.

A whitetail doe, about 125 dressed, facing me at about 25 yards took one dead center in the chest. The conical, at a likely impact velocity of 1400 fps, went lengthwise through her, then hit the yearling behind her at a quartering toward angle (yes, I knew the yearling was there, but the quartering toward resulted from a step in the right, er, wrong direction at the shot.). The bullet traversed the yearling from through the front leg bone, diagonally across the chest cavity, and out the opposite side just in front of the off-side hind leg. The only bones hit was the front leg bone and rib or two on the second deer.

HUGE exit wound on the first doe, and the entrance/exit wounds on the yearling were just catastrophic. Also, the legal limit is two-per-day, so having two on the ground instantly was kosher.

I switched to 90 grs. of 777 and the 275 gr. HPs afterward. I don't need THAT much penetration on whitetails.
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#537189 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
macrabbit Offline
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Registered: 02/24/04
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Loc: C. Calif
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my broadside contender 30-30 rounds with factory 170s. Under 100 yards on Nilgai. Never hit a bone other than a rib. Managed to fire 7 witnessed rounds before he fell over. Some of these bullets never made it to the ribs on the other side.




Gunwriters, we need a new test. Something like energy remaining after 1, 2, 3, 4, ... inches of gelatin or water.

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#537190 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
Teeder Offline
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Mature whitetail doe at a hard quarter, almost dead on facing me. The shot was about 25 yards.
Hit her square in the right shoulder. It hit bone going in, but I don't remember the specifics. The bullet was found bulging under the skin in the left ham. I'm sure if it hadn't hit the femur dead center, and broke it, it would have exited.

7mm-08, 145 grn Grandslam, 2750 fps mzl.
The bullet is a perfect mushroom, and retained 75% of it's weight.

She hit the ground at the shot.
I was very happy with the results.
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#537191 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
AussieGunWriter Offline
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No simulated results please. I have never seen the stuff and won't postulate on theretical results. You are all doing a great job and the trend I expected is already here. Can you see it?

Keep it coming and I'll explain in a few days when we get a larger sampling of data. Your data, and that is more valuable and important to you
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The .30/06 threads tend to confirm that there is no animal that cannot be taken using the appropriate bullet.
This essentially means, only a legal aspect remains.

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#537192 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
XXBob Offline
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Registered: 05/17/05
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I do not want to disappoint hunter Jim, but I used a 300 gr bullet in a 358 Norma mag no 375 H&H but its close. The bullet was the discontinued Swift in that weight. I shot a Cape Buff facing me at an angle. The bullet entered the shoulder missed the bone and ended up in a back leg. It still weighed 200 grs. I shot a BIG black bear on top of a picnic table with his head in a plastic bowl eating potatoe salad. OK it wasnt in the wilderness it was Mammoth Lakes Calif. It was in a campgroud and a little girl was pinned with her foot under the table when she fell over backwards. I was on a search and destroy mission for bad bears in the area and had my 45/70 Marlin and 350 gr Speer handloads. I shot the bad boy in the shoulder and the bullet exited between his back legs taking out about a foot of back bone. The little sweetheart took off her shoe and beat him on the nose with it. She was so cool she never moved until it was all over and then she was pissed.
-Doc-

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#537193 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
Teeder Offline
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The little sweetheart took off her shoe and beat him on the nose with it. She was so cool she never moved until it was all over and then she was pissed.





I just spit my cola all over the monitor!
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#537194 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
Phasmid Offline
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Registered: 03/15/05
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Loc: Albany Co. Wyoming
What is the longest/deepest penetration you ever got from an expanding bullet?

36 inches plus
What was the animal taken?

spike bull elk in 1993
What was the bullet/cartridge/load used?
Gary used R 22 powder, 140 Barnes X bullet, .270 Win., a 26 barreled rifle and gets a little over 3,000 fps at muzzle.

Were you happy with the result?
The first shot at 100 yds went through heart and both lungs with thumb sized hole. Elk was dead but both he and my partner didn't know it. It was on steep slope so my friend shot again as the elk ran quatering away downhill. The next shot hit the hock joint on the left rear leg, went through the paunch, ranged across chest cavity and broke the right shoulder bone and stopped under the hide. The bone in the hock took the petals off the x-bullet. The front of the bullet was a .40 cal meplat. We both have used a lot of x bullets since then. No more recovered bullets. My .338 WM with 225 Nosler partition at 2700 fps gave similar pentration on a bull moose but did't hit the hock joint first, but the moose was a much bigger animal.
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#537195 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
macrabbit Offline
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Partitions and Xs work?

Large calibers work?

Bone / no bone makes a difference?

We Campfire folks have taken more end-on shots than we've previously admitted?
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#537196 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
MissouriEd Offline
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When I first read the subject of this thread, I thought it was going to be XXX rated.

Amen on the too many Texas heart shots. I once had a 150gr Hornady go from right ham to left jaw of a big Nebraska Mule deer.
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#537197 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
AussieGunWriter Offline
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You are close but not there yet. The trend is there.
As for your comments on the rear end shots, the reality of limited hunting and even more limited opportunity to actually get a shot, means we will all be tempted beyond reasonable caution to take the shot that is offered rather than let the animal willingly escape.

Let me quote again a theme from Bob Hagel to always plan for the worst hunting conditions when everything can go wrong and not on the basis of everything going to plan.

That was one obvious reason behind his choice of a .340 Weatherby. Those that have used one will know what I mean.
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The .30/06 threads tend to confirm that there is no animal that cannot be taken using the appropriate bullet.
This essentially means, only a legal aspect remains.

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#537198 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
macrabbit Offline
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always plan for the worst ... when everything can go wrong and not on the basis of everything going to plan.




That sort of thinking is the reason government programs cost so much!

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#537199 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
JimF Offline
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A trend that I am aware of is one that has been around for a long time. Small frontal diameter relative to weight. That can be either through minimal expanded dia. as in fail safes and X's (minus petals) or a fully peeled partition, lesser expansion due to lower impact velocity, or very high initial SD. Or.... some combination of all three. (as in 6.5x54 and 7x57 w/hvy bullets)

That trend of course is diametrically opposed to the low sectional density of the big bores. And of course the famed hard cast flat nose which don't count because they don't expand.

Hafta admit I'm cornfuzed about where you are going with this one.

JimF

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#537200 - 07/29/05 Re: Longest Penetration achieved from an expanding bullet?
macrabbit Offline
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Loc: C. Calif
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You are close but not there yet. The trend is there.



That the folks who have run into that (perhaps rare) situation are very happy and relieved that they had a bullet that could do the job?

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