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For a novice shooter, nothing beats a good range finder and turrets for any shot over 200 yds. The system has definite trainable steps to take and is easy to learn. If a hunter is prone to buck fever and likely to forget his hold over/under, turrets are the perfect solution. I will gladly admit, the limitations of the way I use a scope restricts my hunting shots to 500 yds. But I will also maintain there is no faster way to get a shot on game from 300 yds to 500 yds than with a duplex sighted well beyond 100 yds. I like to find a good perch and laze a few land marks where game might appear, or a shot present itself. Then when a shootable animal appears I just slip into a shooting position and pull the trigger. But to me, a target is just a target, whether it wears hair or not. My elk rifle: IS: I'm familiar with that first dope sheet...if it's what I think it is, it's spot on.....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Unfortunately more people can afford to buy tools they don't know how to use, and don't have access to ranges where they can experience them.
Which makes the simpler solutions that are harder to screw up better for some. How shocked some shooter are when they first shoot 300-500 and find out that this ultra mag rail lazer they bought has much more drop than they expected at range still makes me smile. Taking them out in kansas wind for longer poke Pdog shooting gets them over holding in air really fast as well.
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Yup....if you can't practice it,you can't shoot it.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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100% agree, after 45+ years of hunting I started playing around with longer ranges. It was enlightening, wind is voodoo and big wind quickly reduces the range at which I am effective.
Shooting from different positions can enlighten you also. Learning to really shoot a rifle is much different than sitting at a bench and sighting a rifle in at 100 yards.
As far the OP, I have come to like turrets!
Randy
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I don't think BDC is made for long distance shooting. Quick acquisition is all its good for. which in most hunting situations is what you need. but you have to take it out and see how things work in real world. I have 3 Nikon BDC scopes. I took my TC Venture 270 out today to get ready for the deer and elk season coming up with barnes 130 TTSX. according to spot my hash marks (circles) are 241, 352, 451 and 587 yards. 8" round target fit into the circle really nice. I was at 365 yards. I figured thats close enough to use the 2 hash mark. I sent 2 rounds off. I couldn't see where it hit at 9x. So I went to look at it and I think thats acceptable shooting for someone who doesn't shoot long distance. But according to Spot on I was to be shooting little low and turned out to be little high instead. I don't think Id go past the 450 mark.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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OK. More on the Rapid Z� I thought about some of the situations where some of you thought the Rapid Z would be less than ideal. So, today, I went out to my place, zeroed my .260 w/ 130gr VLDs at 200 yards. The Zeiss Rapid Z Calculator showed the lines should have been on at 297, 391, 496, and 601. After zeroing, I drove out into the pasture to a random distance then ranged with the laser rangefinder. Turned out my plates were at 170, 270, 370 and 470. Wind was at about 5 o'clock at 11mph. I held for a 3mph wind which turned out to be a little much, but here's the results: 8" plate at 170 yards: 8" plate at 270 yards: 8" plate at 370 yards. 12" plate at 470 yards. Now supposedly, the weakness with the Rapid Z and similar reticles lies in the 'tweener ranges where you cannot have one of the yardage lines on the desired point of impact. Maybe I ain't as sharp as the naysayers, but I fail to see where each and every one of these shots wouldn't have resulted in a very dead deer. John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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John, we know you shot that with the Bushy.
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You know I didn't, but I don't see where I could have done any better with the LRHS. Dead is dead�
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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IS: I'm familiar with that first dope sheet...if it's what I think it is, it's spot on..... Ruger #1 in 7mmSTW
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I think leupolds custom drop dials work pretty darn well for most people, even those who don't have a great grasp of how drop works.
Wind on the other hand - one has to see what it does to believe it
A dial helps, but given the two variables of wind speed and range you still need a drift chart.
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