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On one side of these arguments you have the faithless, hell-bound fools and on the other side you have the uneducated, blinder-wearing Bible thumpers (or at least that's how it seems they view each other when you read the banter).

And both views are probably 90% wrong-90% of the time.

Just like both sides are probably only 90% correct about the "facts" they spout (on either side of the argument).





And even with the same set of completely factual facts rights in front of them neither side will agree with the other, because they're viewing those facts through the lens of what they already "know". In that way these creation threads are just like the cop threads, just with different players and lingo.

i worry more about the future than the past for my children's sake.

and some of us have yet to figure how an old earth and evolution automatically cancel out god.....

course then again some people think a picture is faked just cause they have no clue there are places other than North America with different looking critters seen alot of people claim that weasel photo is faked cause "woodpeckers dont look like that"......they do if you live in Europe.....

cant figure how anyone that reads anything about biogeography, which is simply the study of where critters live and why, can come up with anything but evolution.....but it requires learning bout a whole lot of different critters just not what lives in your back yard.....there are very definite reasons about why frogs only live in some places....or why marsupials vanish part way through the Indonesian archipelago...

course none of that says that god didnt kick start it all orhow we got to where we are todays....those are the why, why is theological....how is science....they arent mutually exclusive but they dont give yah facts to show how to mix the two....

rattler,



If the entire earth was carbon 14 it would decay into nitrogen in 50,000 years. But aside from that you are not keeping up with progress. There is a machine, I think it is, called an electron mass spectrometer. It is maybe 10 time more sensitive than anything prior to it. It shows carbon 14 in every sample that has been tested by it.

As far as the other dating methods you mentioned, if you break off chunks from the same rock and date them using different dating methods you can get dates varying as much as a billion years. That give confidence only to the faithful.

Rattler, everything you just said could be summed up by saying "I don't understand why they can't, or aren't smart enough, to see it my way".

you realize carbon is everywhere.....in the air, on your skin....hell you transfer it from you to everything you touch....its in some of the CO2 you breath out so yeah it will turn up everywhere.....but just the presance of it isnt what they test for, they are looking for ratios in uncontaminated samples.....samples are easily contaminated for the very reasons i stated....

has nothing to do with smarts, has to do with ignorance.....people dumber than me do often know alot of chit i dont, and i often know stuff people that are smarter than me dont....difference is the willingness or not to actually learn....my biogeagraphy example has nothing to do with fossils though they do sorta factor in when you want to look at how it has changed over time....but just the study of animals alive today will have anyone with the ability to learn anything asking questions about the voracity of the Noah story being exactly as said....

Like I said....

Great post with a humble and open minded attitude.. You won't see this from the hard core evolutionists who like to maintain a self anointed sense of arrogance and label any who would question the "dogmatic tenants of their faith" as "flat earthers".
I don't know exactly how the observable world was created but I do know that if you start with the assumption there is no God, you can only interpret any findings you make, within the framework of your presuppositions.
I seem to remember a whole set of evolutionary conclusions made from a "tooth". From that tooth, a whole humanoid of some type was constructed (Peking man I think?). For years it was touted as "established science". Turned out to be the tooth of an extinct pig.
Who knows, someday after thousands of years of scientific discoveries regarding the origin of the universe and climbing the "mountain of knowledge", we may just arrive at the pinnacle only to find several theologians have been there for a thousand years

Really? Tompkins?

Jeffrey Tomkins

Key claims

Biblical literalism
Young Earth
Old Earth
Global flood
Intelligent design


Jeffrey Tomkins is a "research associate" at the Institute for Creation Research. He has a PhD in genetics and master's degree in "plant science" from Clemson University and the University of Idaho respectively.[1][2]

His research for the ICR tends to be genetics related, and concentrated in 2011 on the genetic similarity between humans and [bleep]. He made much of his research's apparent discovery that the similarity between humans and [bleep] was 'merely' 86-89%. In 2012 his ICR News article on the sequencing of the Gorilla genome, Gorilla Genome Is Bad News for Evolution,[3] was attacked on Pharyngula as failing to understand the science.[4]

Some folks’ grasp on their religious beliefs is so tenuous, so shaky that they’re afraid the least puff of knowledge will blow it away.

"Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith...?"

So true. New earth - old earth, neither messes with my salvation so I really don't care.


Bring it on fellow believers, I can stand the heat.

Interesting link you have posted. Made me do a little research.
Earth Rotation:
Anything but smooth and steady. The average day is growing longer by about 15 to 25 millionths of a second every year. Pesky little events like earthquakes keep speeding things back up by a couple of microseconds. In any event, in 140 million years, give or take a few, we are all going to need 25 hour clocks.
Looking back to the beginning, the earth was without void. Just a big mass of gas, dust, and rocks. A big spin zone.

Magnetic Field Decay:
According to National Geographic and the earth's geologic record, our planet's magnetic field flips on an average of once every 200,000 years.
We are way overdue, our last flip was about 780,000 years ago. And each flip takes a few thousand years. This is called maintenance and prevents that dreaded decay.

Earth's Topsoil:
In the past 1 million years there has, no doubt, been much more than 84 feet of top soil on average. Deposited and eroded in endless cycles that can be measured and counted by anyone with honest eyes. The rocks keep the records.

Niagara Falls:
Were created about 10,000 years ago when all that Wisconsin ice melted. Hell of a mess.

River Deltas:
The modern day Mississippi River Delta plain is about 7-8,000 years old. And it don't look nothing like the delta cycles that came before. Trust me on that.

Growth of Ocean Coral:
Again we are back to all that ice melting. Wiped out most the continental shelve coral reefs about 10,000 years ago, but the Great Barrier Reef is closer to 20,000 years old. Volcanoes and tectonic plate shifting took the rest.
NEWSFLASH: Sea levels rise and fall. Coral drowns in 500 feet of sea water.

Tree Rings: Of course, everyone knows that the California Sequoias are mere teenagers. The Bristlecone pine is the current record holder at a tad over 11,000 years. Almost 5,000 years for live trees. Cloning trees without tree ring measurement such as quaking aspen have been estimated to be 80,000 years old.

Then there are all those petrified trees and their rings mixed in with the dino bones.

Class dismissed.

The scientist in that link, "Dr." Thomas G Barnes:

This is a very scientific and interesting site that discusses creation vs evolution from many different angles. I became interested in this web site when I heard Dr. Bert Thompson in person, when he came to deliver a message at our church back in the 1980s. Very powerful speaker.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9