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Rocky, it is my humble opinion that the phrase "sensible gun control" is a) an oxymoron, b) a feel good phrase used to cloak a nasty agenda and c) an important tool of the Left.

The only gun control that makes sense in that version that leads to a satisfactory conclusion; to wit:

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I am..........disturbed.

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I think someone once said sure I am for gun control as long as I am the one controlling the gun. (Clint Eastwood maybe) I don't recall just who.
But that would tie in with the second amendment. Cheers NC


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Originally Posted by MILES58

It used to be possible to involuntarily commit them to treatment until 1980. Because that power was too often abused, and because it was expensive, we abolished it. Today, trying to reinstate that would be very nearly impossible. However, there does have to be some accountability back to the people who live and work with the people in need of treatment. We're going to have to settle for a combination of limited involuntary commitment with the increased responsibility of those professionals.



Miles and others,

I've been trying to follow as many of the "conversations" here on the 'fire re: the recent events in OR. I'm not sure I've seen/read every one. I am pretty sure I've not seen mention of the "accountability" of the mother of the perpetrator. Where is she, was she at home the morning if the event? Is she in custody? Is she on vacation?

Something has really bothered me since I first saw in various news reports interviewing their neighbors down in CA and mention of the two of them apparently liking "target shooting". Realizing I do not have a complete evaluation of the young man, it does seem strange to me that a mother who has been quoted as saying to the neighbors that her son has "mental issues" would allow said son to have access to firearms. Perhaps she just gave in to one of his tantrums the neighbors reported? Perhaps it is a question of her not having the resources to deal with her son? I can see that as a possibility with the cost of today's healthcare. I'm not absolving her of her responsibilty though; if that is the case she should have relinquished her "rights' to have firearms around that he could access.

As to the "responsibility of those professionals", perhaps many of them are avoiding increased responsibilty due to our litigious society? Recommend taking a person off the street and get sued by family or rights groups saying you're not being fair to the disabled, or recommend staying on the street with a note as to the possible danger and getting sued by any victims. Not the shoes I'd want to be in.

Sad situation all around.

Geno

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Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
I don't believe this virgin stuff. The guy lived with his mother in a one-bedroom apartment.

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Originally Posted by MILES58
In light of 2A and Heller, I do not see a way short of amendment to produce defensible restriction.

It doesn't take anything like an amendment. Just one Democrat President that gets to replace one conservative justice on the Supreme Court so they can undo Heller.

Or a Trump that nominates a liberal.


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
Originally Posted by MILES58
In light of 2A and Heller, I do not see a way short of amendment to produce defensible restriction.

It doesn't take anything like an amendment. Just one Democrat President that gets to replace one conservative justice on the Supreme Court so they can undo Heller.

Or a Trump that nominates a liberal.
Dems are all for stare decisis when it means their pet rulings should never be altered or reversed, but they'd gladly toss that legal principle out the window to reverse Heller.

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Originally Posted by RS308MX
Originally Posted by 12344mag
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Maybe it's just me but IMO, sensible is what the constitution says, "shall not be infringed."


No it's not just you.





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