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What speeds are you guys getting with 200 grn handloads? I've been thinking of building a 358 Win. bolt action brush gun but I found a cheap 35 Rem 336 and might try it out for a while first.

I'm just wondering how fast you can safely push a 200 grn bullet in the 35 Remington so I'll know how much I'll be giving up to the 358 Win.

Most of my hunting us under 100 yards so I may not need to reinvent the wheel so to speak with a 358 Win bolt gun and spend 5 times the money doing it. The lever action 336 may be at least worth a try for the money difference.

You'll be giving up 600-700 feet per second.

Yea, I've been looking at ballistics. I didn't think it was quite that much but I suppose it would be for hotter 358 handloads.

The question is will it make a big difference on deer or hogs under 100 yards.

35 Rem is in the 2000fps area, 358 Win is 2600-2700.

35 Remington works just fine up close, though there ain't many bullets. I like the Core lokt the best.

And remember, it's much easier making the 358 a 35 Remington than the other way around.

That said, I do like a 336 in 35 Remington.

200's around 2000fps from my 35 Rem. The 180 Speer is supposed to be a good bullet from the 35 but I've never shot them.


I have a 358 Win and a 35 Rem, I like them both. The only thing I've killed with my 35 is a couple of whitetails and it worked great.


You've probably seen this: http://www.suitorsgarage.com/gunstuff/35remington/35rempart2.html

I will probably build a 358 win anyway but I don't even own a lever action and I ran across an older 35 rem 336 for right at $400. It will be fun to play with and get my feet wet in the 35 cal range while I'm buying rifle parts for my build.

Or you could just work a trade out with the 35 for my Ruger 358

You can bump up the 35 rem. A couple years ago I had a 7600, someone here, I think, gave me some 35 rem loads developed for stronger action guns like the 7600 so chambered. Not sure if they would be ok in the marlin though. Velocity was around 2300 or so for 200 grainers.

I actually bought my Marlin for the express purpose of converting to 358 but since playing with the 35 Rem I didnt think it was neccessary. The only reason for me to do so is brass availability. Where I am the 35 Rem never caught on, so ammo and brass are rare to find here.

The SAAMI spec for the 35 Rem is around 33K and this was designed for safe functioning in the old Rem autoloader (Model 8?). In a Marlin you can increase the pressure to what is considered safe for a 30/30, ie around 42K.

With the right powder this will narrow the gap on the 358 and still be safe to use in a Marlin. My handloads for a 200gr bullet develop around 2250 fps and you could probably safely achieve higher velocities. Buffalo Bore have +P loads pushing 220gr bullets at 2200 fps and these are safe for use in a Marlin.I have developed cast bullet loads that push a 250gr pill at around 2000 fps.

I didn't know they could be converted to 358.

You would need to load it down to the pressure limits of the Marlin and have max OAL of 2.55". In effect use 356 Win load data.

If you are limited to 100 yards and you don't need the extra punch, a 35 Rem can be loaded to higher pressures and do a fine job.

I'm not really convinced that the standard 2000 fps 200 grn load isn't plenty at the distances I hunt. I still want a 358 but I don't want to have anything that might be dangerous on both ends.

The primary advantage the .358 can provide is your ability to neck up 308 for an un-limited supply of brass. 35 Remington brass is hard to find and expensive. Hornady is shipping .35 rem brass right now which is helping the shortage issue from Remington.

The .35 rem loaded with 43.0 to 45.0 grains Hodgdon LVR powder can reach with in 200 to 250 feet per second of the .358. Not sure if a 200 FPS slower bullet will matter at "Woods" ranges. Like comparing the .308 to the 30-06.

The most coveted bullet for the .35 rem and the .358 win is the Remington 200 gr round nose core-lokt. The last time Remington shipped the .35 rem 200 gr RN as a component bullet was December of 2013. With either cartridge you choose there are challenges in components.

Doc

There is NO way you are getting within 200-250 fps of the 358.

Doc,

Actually, .308's can be converted to .35 Remingtons. It requires a stout, compound leverage press and turning down the rim slightly, which can be done with a mandrel in a drill motor and a file. I've done it, basically just to know, using a Redding Big Boss II press, but overall it's a lot easier to find some .35 Remington cases, somewhere.

Scott,

Actually, the case capacity of the .35 Remington and .358 Winchester isn't all that different, around 12% with a 200-grain Hornady RN seated to the cannelure. This translates into about 100 fps difference with 200's WHEN BOTH CASES ARE LOADED TO THE SAME PRESSURE.

However, I sure as hell wouldn't do that with anything except a bolt-action .35 Remington. Pressure is the big difference between the two rounds, not case capacity.

I just saw about 30 boxes of Remington factory ammo on the shelves of one of my local gun stores....haven't seen that much in quite a long time.

I saw close to that much .35 ammo (not all Remington brand) on the shelves at Whittaker Guns in Kentucky last year, when no .35 Remington ammo was supposedly available from anybody.