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Lycoming county went Red last time.

Hmmm, the results I see for the 2012 election show Elk going 57%-41% for Romney. Obama only took 13 of 67 counties, but still won the popular vote. Philly of course was a landslide for him (85-14) and that's what always seems to give PA to the Dems.

2008

This is true.

We're becoming a two class society, the upper class of folks earning $200K plus a year, and a lower class that's living on government handouts. The upper class thinks things are OK because their stock portfolios are doing well. Their portfolios are doing well because companies have become super efficient by outsourcing all their production to China/Mexico and getting rid of all their "overpriced" U.S. labor. The lower class thinks things are OK because Obama is sending unprecedented amounts of welfare their way and they don't have to work. Why work when you can make $50K a year sitting on your arse?

The ones in the middle are the one's getting killed. You're not rich if you earn $100K a year in America any more. You're getting the hell taxed out of you to pay for the ones on welfare that end up with as much take home pay as you, and you're working your arse off to make that $100K because if you don't then your company is going to get some chinese guy to do your job at $2 a day.

The sad fact is that both parties are part of the problem when it comes to the decline of the middle class in America. Democrats don't want a strong middle class because they don't reliably vote democrat, much better for them to have 90% of the population drawing a government check. They're democrats for life then. Republicans want businesses to max out their profitability and keep the stock market booming under the trickle down theories of Reagan. As good as Reagan was for the nation, trickle down doesn't work when you've outsourced your middle class, we're trickling to China and Mexico now instead of to our own population.

In the same vein is immigration. The reason we can't get a grasp on our immigration problem is no one in government really wants to stop the flood of illegals, it's all lip service. It just wouldn't be that hard to stop. Quit giving them welfare, driver's licenses, free healthcare. Fine the hell out of people employing them and it'd quit overnight. The reason we have an immigration problem is because democrats want to stack the nation with more democrat voters in the future, and republicans want the cheap labor so their benefactors won't have to pay an American a living wage for labor. It's that simple.

Obama (and Hillary's) policies have gutted the middle class in America and will continue to do so. America is unique in that it's really the only nation in the world that has a real functioning middle class, now that's going away. That has been the draw of this nation for the last 150 years. Many will argue that Europe has a middle class but it really doesn't, it has a small ruling cabal of ultra-rich from the mostly inherited money class and it has a lower class that mostly work but have their well-being tied to the government. Many will argue that Germans are mostly middle class but the average family is going to raise their kids in a 1200 sq. ft. apartment, has at the most one car, has government healthcare and send their kids to a government school. Sure, they get a month of vacation a year and have enough money to go to the beer hall twice a week, but their opportunity for social mobility is very limited. They're happy with their lives for the most part but that's not what I think of when I think "middle class" in a U.S. sense.

Sounds like more people should put that vacation money, or money for their next ruger american into the stock market

A couple of problems with that.

Not everyone has anything left over to put in to the stock market.

The stock market doesn't create wealth, it's in it's essence a big pyramid scheme. Manufacturing things creates wealth. In order to create wealth you have to create something of value. Telling a whole nation of people that the way to prosperity is to have everyone sitting around doing nothing while investing their extra beer money in the stock market won't work. You can only rob Peter to pay Paul so many times. In the end just moving money around and trying to grab a bigger share than your neighbor might lead to a personal windfall, but the net result is that you haven't created anything of value.

Spot on.

Ah yes....guess they had their fill of "change" by the time 2012 came around.

Standard, neo-Marxist, hard-Left bullshit. Its truly astounding how many communists there are on this forum.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/08/the-effects-of-nafta-on-exports-jobs

I'm in Berks, and I've noted the same.

I'm hoping the trend continues and we are actually in play this time around.

The comment about Lancaster County not being rural....it's all relative. Compared to Philly, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, etc, Lancaster City is pretty small potatoes, and the rest of the county is suburbia and farms.

Compared to the north central part of the state, it's not the boonies, no. Compared the plains states, or places like Wyoming, it's not rural, no. For PA, it sure ain't urban. And the cities are what turn us blue every dang time.

I know its hard for you RJ to wrap your head around the fact that the current Republican party is dead.
Or at least your neocon version of it.
It killed itself.
To much chi-com cock.

dave

Not everyone wants their equity at the mercy of Wall Street investors either.

You are missing the point made by SH. The counties may have "gone" for r, but there are a shyt-ton of D voters there regardless. It isnt red by a landslide, not by any stretch.





As for you feeling good about PA, I am cautiously optimistic, but the sheer number of suburban transplants in the ever increasing sprawl outside of urban centers and college campus's has me worried... nationwide.

In central PA, it looks more Trump than it looked romney. I am optimistic that Trump will take PA. I think the debates will be very bad for hillary.

Hey Rob, why does free trade require 1,700 pages?

You need to stop calling it "Free Trade". If anything, it is managed trade or regulated trade.

My wife is from Schuylkill County, and I bought a lab pup out near Lock Haven recently, so I've had some rides up through the Skook and up toward Danville. In that region, I think someone would find their car on blocks and burning if they sported a Hillary sticker or sign in their yard.

I'm near Cabela's, and it's usually from here south and east that the suburbia effect kicks in. There's NOTHING for her. Not a bumper sticker, not a yard sign, NOTHING. I do see Trump signs periodically, though. Far less "in the bag" than it was for Obama in the last two.

But it'll still likely come down to whatever numbers Philly posts up.

Yes, all those counties along the river with NJ that used to go red turned blue.

Not going to happen.
The Iron Rangers will do as their union demands and vote for Hillary. Bernie supporter or not, they will do as they always do and vote, vote Democrate.

Don't forget about the 40-75k Democrats registered by ACORN and all the ballots found in ditches and abandoned cars in years past.

Naw, MN will once again be Bright Blue.