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I have a new Remington 700 C.D.L. in 25/06. I haven't been able to get it to group as well as other Remington's that I have (had) over the years. Groups were averaging about 1 to 1 1/4". I tried a lot of different powder/bullet/seating depth combinations, nothing seemed to help much. I was shooting from a Sinclair rest on every trial. I decided to put on my Harris bipod just for the hell of it. I only had 6 rounds left, fired 2 groups of 3 shots, and was shocked at the improvement in group size. Both groups were under 1/2", averaging .423. Anyone have any ideas? I plan on going back to the range as soon as I can to try this again. Thanks, Mike
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Each string is an independent event, so who knows. I've put out some horrid groups, walked away for about 30 minutes, and come back to stack them on top of one another with no changes in equipment.
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Nothing unusual to get different groups/poi with different pressures at different rest points.
Find out if it likes free floated or pressure on forend tip, rock on......
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I bet you just hold tighter with the bipod. No mystery.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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I would wonder if there's a pressure point or barrel contact change between the two configurations. I had a 700 that showed the same once, but it was the plastic Rem stock with the bumps in the barrel channel. Once I switched to a better, bedded stock the variance went away. The CDL stock is more stiff than the plastic one, but there might still be some difference.
Also possible that your two 3-shot groups are a statistical anomaly and if you had shot all of your rounds at the same target they would have just been a part of the larger group.
Last edited by joelkdouglas; 09/22/16. Reason: typo
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Sinclair rest, round bag & round forearm. Not condusive to accuracy unless you're using a flat forearm adapter. Bipod removes some of the twisting torque of the forearm.
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A bipod also tends to prevent a slight and variable tilting of the rifle from shot to shot, which affects accuracy far more than most shooters realize.
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I have only tried a rest once. Only my 270 liked it. The others shot like crap from it. I only use bags or bipod now.
I think, therefore I am, conservative.
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I've seen changes in point of impact with a Harris bipod vs shooting off sandbags on more than one rifle. I always attributed it to stock pressure but it could be that I stopped canting the rifle with the bipod.
My son in law uses one very effectively but his wood stocked Remington 7mm seems to shoot fine off bags as well - the bipod always stays attached so maybe the pressure remains the same.
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